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Bullitt
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #20 on: 02/23/03 at 11:54:05 » |
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Hmm I would check again, righteous and champs can't be used together (well they couldn't last time I checked on all other crits) and when I use enhance and rage it only seems to take to enhance, and my strength goes down.
Edit: Sorry, I checked again and as you said got rage and enhance working. My mistake, I could have sworn it didn't work last time I tried it lol. 
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #21 on: 02/23/03 at 14:18:38 » |
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see the thing is when you get enhanced without rage, then you go raage it seems like it disapears, use /refresh, or just hit the enter key(i think that works too) and there you go, no more un-enhanced raged Zerker!
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #22 on: 02/23/03 at 19:02:02 » |
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Rage first, then champs, then enhance.
35+ str berserker
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #23 on: 02/23/03 at 20:27:29 » |
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Correct, if you rage, then add buffs, it will work. My human berserker with 19 st gets 34 strength with rightous and enhance from my weaker cleric. When i add in my paladin with champs, its just crazy talk. Berserkers are nuts. Though, i do not think that they are overpowered. They cant wear armor, which means they take every hit, unless dodged, but since berserkers have low dex as it is, they will soak almost everything. However their attacks balance out. Even though a level 20 berserker packing a halberd could probably drop my level 26 gnome thief, I dont think my thief could kill the serker in one hit. They would have jsut about equal if not the serker having more hit points.
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #24 on: 02/24/03 at 04:10:32 » |
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on 02/23/03 at 20:27:29, Julius wrote:| My human berserker with 19 st gets 34 strength with rightous and enhance from my weaker cleric. When i add in my paladin with champs, its just crazy talk. Berserkers are nuts. Though, i do not think that they are overpowered. |
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Do people read what they right...or are they just stupid?
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #25 on: 02/24/03 at 12:38:20 » |
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What are you talking about? Just becuase they get insane strength, doesnt make them too powerful. My fighters, rangers, thieves can get that much strength, my paladin even more. Why don't you read everything.
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #26 on: 02/24/03 at 19:33:35 » |
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I wouldn’t be so quick to insult people Macros, I do recall, rectified or not, you stating the perfect argument for berserkers not having 6 stamina and then saying they should have it. Although blatantly an error, you obviously didn’t re-read what you had written, so would this make you stupid?
No point to this I know, except… well why the hell do you people have to be so downright antagonistic!?
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #27 on: 02/24/03 at 19:58:49 » |
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Zerkers are definatly over powered, this is at level 21:
You attempted to smite Rest but failed and caused 296 points of damage.
While he may be the same level as me, it still seems pretty over powered to me.
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #28 on: 02/25/03 at 05:12:23 » |
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Actually, my post wasnt an error, it was sarcasm, and do to people on here, i said it was a typo so people wouldnt say certain things, we all know how people like to flame other people. And me saying him reading his post, i ment something else, and im not going to clerify on the basis im being lazy, just like i corrected the other post without saying it was sarcasm. so i will say, im wrong, i dont read my posts.
Now, a crit with 22 str, can only get 32 str after mods... enhance and righteous together do 10, then champ doesnt work....you use enhance and champ, you get 31 str, righteous doesnt take effect on crits with these 2 spells, ignores them and hits all the crits without 2 mods....next is champ and righteous, also gives 9, when together enhance says 'this crit already has enhanced stats' bringoing its maximum back to 31 str...this happens on pally's, fighters, rangers, every class including pally's, so no, they cant get stronger then berserkers
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #29 on: 02/25/03 at 19:17:33 » |
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You forgot to factor in the 4 str from rage.
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #30 on: 02/26/03 at 01:28:07 » |
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i was referencing to the fact that no crit can get as much strength as a berserker 
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #31 on: 02/26/03 at 03:12:14 » |
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i just read that WHOLE thing(i cant connect to the server so im friken bored) and i agree with them being overpowered. with all the mods they r a power to rekon with, pretty soon alls u'll see when ur walkin around NM is lil' adept and expert zerkers. atm i cant think of n e other race that can compare.
with my dwarf zerker(lvl 11, stats 21 xx 18 20 18 xx) i still havnt gotten below 14 hp per lvl, and 16 being the most. my dwarf fighter(though he only has 19 con) got 12 hp maybe once the whole time i have had him and hes arch. and i do understand there is a 1 con difference there, but isnt that a little strange. 
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #32 on: 02/26/03 at 03:37:52 » |
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my berserker has 18 con and hasnt gotten blow 14
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #33 on: 02/26/03 at 14:21:18 » |
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WOW! but i realized after i posted that that all classes get different hp, so that doesnt matter i guess.
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #34 on: 02/26/03 at 20:13:47 » |
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Overpowered, I think so. A level 25 dwarf beserker can kill a level 30 perfect halfling ranger. I feel that is wrong, and not balanced.
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #35 on: 02/26/03 at 21:23:38 » |
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No, an Adept (lvl 20-23) berserker can kill an arch anything.
Hell, why train anymore guys, lets just all use adept zerks and run around killing arches all day.
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #36 on: 02/26/03 at 21:24:43 » |
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and btw races get different hp not classes 
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #37 on: 02/26/03 at 21:37:33 » |
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If classes didn't get different hp then a dwarf fighter and berserker would have the same. It would also be the same for other classes such as mages, which would otherwise have the same hp as other classes of the same race, etc…
EDIT: Bah that reads worse than my normal posts, but the point was different classes do get different hp.
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #38 on: 02/27/03 at 00:12:34 » |
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Race and classes both vary when getting hp
a mage gets different hp then a berserker, and a dwarf berserker gets different hp then a orc berserker
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Re: Overpowered ?
« Reply #39 on: 03/08/03 at 16:32:14 » |
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this may not be to anyone's liking here but berserkers are not overpowered. yes they can get more str, and yes they have better weapons when using abilities(berserk/smite) than a ranger or thieves ability of the same nature...
but there is a couple big things you regret to notice, (1) dwarf berserkers and human berserkers can get good dex, but give up some str, and chance at higher hp, (2) half-orcs are mage bait and nearly have enough dex to withstand a good round.
fighting them is just like fighting any other class, it takes good use of pots, timing, and spells.
plus this fact, are we always bound to fight alone, no...
thats why we have clans. if you find that you cannot defeat a berserker then its not a prob. either get yourself one, have some friends along, or suffer the consequences. there is always an alternative to power.
id like to hear some feedback on what yall think, but do not intend to be flamed for not agreeing...
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