|
||
|
Title: Overpowered ? Post by medication on 02/19/03 at 23:47:42 I can't help myself but to think that they're overpowered. Not only that but in creating them you've taken 2 abilities that define two different classes and put it on them, combining it with massive hp. Plus, giving them ability to use all the big weapons in the game does not make it easier. How similar are these abilities; are they similar in that sense that they have just different names or is the dmg that they cause different ? Is this making rapid fire obsolete already ? I mean berserkers can use better weapons, and have more stamina, and get that stamina earlier than rangers, and have better hp. Plus, if it has same effect as rapid fire (where my 18 str ranger does 90dmg on lv 27, with enchanted bow), how bigger dmg will a 21str, hally-wielding dwarf make ? Same thing is for thieves, although thieves covert and stealing ability makes them still more usefull. Even so, assassinate is ability that is defining thieves, and now it has been pumped up (better weapons, more stam) and given away to berserkers. And if 6 stam is implemented for berserkers... |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by 50cent on 02/20/03 at 04:52:28 i agree 2a low xtent but i dont care cuz itsa new class and if u get 1 and lvl it 2 a higher lvl u can kill everyone lol...so even if r overpower witch wont be that biga deal it'll b fun and u can beat one against another...so i aint gonna complian |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Halor on 02/20/03 at 05:45:09 I think their disadvantage over other classes is good to equal them out overall. Zercs cannot wear ANY armor, because of their ‘tough’ skin being armor enough (Hence their high hp). That they cannot wear.. Anything, other then a weapon. Hands are too large and bulky to wear spider gauntlets or anything else. But their hp and abilities make up for their loss of being able to weak armor. So Zercs wont make fighters obsolete (because fighters can wear armor + dex enhancers and other stat mods). So I think they are a good addition. :) |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by drizzt_dourden on 02/20/03 at 14:08:22 on 02/19/03 at 23:47:42, medication wrote:
i dunno maybe its just a bug on mine but doesnt berserk take away a good chunk of your own health when cast? i think that easily makes up for being able to use better weps. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Clayton on 02/20/03 at 16:55:58 The damage done to the opposition by casting beserk, is also done to yourself. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Zekhia on 02/20/03 at 21:34:29 Like i said in another post my lvl 30 ranger (Tadpole) got rounded by a lvl 21 zerk (Goliath)...he had spells but still a lvl 21? |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by SweUrk Rchirack Unicrown on 02/21/03 at 01:01:30 Berserks are DEFINETELY overpowered. You see, a berserk using smite, with rage on, and just waiting in the sewer somehwere, could take smite, and using a hally, could 1 click almost anyone! |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Callisto on 02/21/03 at 01:38:06 I'm agreeing with them being over powered, in definetly. ---------------- Goliath ---------------- Name: . Class: Male Dwarf Adept Berserker [Clan] Goliath: 1 rounders: lvl 30 mage ranger and fighter hehe -And he's not kidding, I watched him do it. That's not only overpowered but extremely unblalanced. I don't own a beserker yet, but i'm sure if I did i would probably make it my main crit, seeing how I can round Archmasters at level 18. Excuse me.. but doesn't that seem just a bit too much? ( sorry kev, just using you as a prime example lol ) |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Downset on 02/21/03 at 15:05:11 on 02/21/03 at 01:01:30, SweUrk Rchirack Unicrown wrote:
What (Not No0b) Zerker actually uses rage? the highest dex u can have as a zeker is 18 and losing 4 makes having the crit pointless |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Bill on 02/21/03 at 15:08:29 Human Berserkers can have 19 dex. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Downset on 02/21/03 at 15:17:01 still 15 dex come on |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Bullitt on 02/21/03 at 17:29:53 Without further information I would be inclined to agree. I think if you did a reasonable number of attacks normally and then the same number with rage, and averaged it, you would find it to be considerably lower. I could be wrong since I haven’t conducted such an experiment, and you would need a significant amount of attacks to give a fair idea. It seems to me that dexterity and strength do not carry the same weight in terms of attacking potential, but like I said I could be wrong. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by King_Macros on 02/22/03 at 05:34:21 my dwarf berserker, with rage, enhance, righteous can take anything anytime anywhere, its bull and i dont like it. why do i have it, because soon thats all will be in the game, you cant one round an archy berserker, no way will it happen. then they round anything they tocuyh they will not die. and i have to have one now, to DEFEND my archy, now thats rediculous |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Horror on 02/22/03 at 07:17:51 Your achie is extremely crap then, look. Barbarians aren't overpowered, They wouldnt have been put in the game if there wasnt something bad about them, cant wear enhancers, armor atm, I think there is something else bad about them we don't know.... Just stop yer whinin' and wait. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by King_Macros on 02/22/03 at 10:08:31 lol, ive seen other archies pk'ed too, not just mine. i must admit, my archy only has 329 hp. And horror, whats your name ingame? :) |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Bullitt on 02/22/03 at 12:56:46 Enhance doesn't work with rage. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Blade on 02/22/03 at 17:21:26 on 02/22/03 at 10:08:31, King_Macros wrote:
Maybe hes Horror? |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Horror on 02/22/03 at 20:45:39 Reading my Sig might help... |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by No Respect on 02/23/03 at 00:50:42 O.o. :'( boo hoo the staff put the zerkers into the game and if there are any things that they dont like or maybe just have problems with they will either remove the problem or remove the chrts from the game |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by King_Macros on 02/23/03 at 10:26:56 on 02/22/03 at 12:56:46, Bullitt wrote:
with mine it does. champ, enhance, righteous all work on mine |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Bullitt on 02/23/03 at 11:54:05 Hmm I would check again, righteous and champs can't be used together (well they couldn't last time I checked on all other crits) and when I use enhance and rage it only seems to take to enhance, and my strength goes down. Edit: Sorry, I checked again and as you said got rage and enhance working. My mistake, I could have sworn it didn't work last time I tried it lol. ;D |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by DrAgIn on 02/23/03 at 14:18:38 see the thing is when you get enhanced without rage, then you go raage it seems like it disapears, use /refresh, or just hit the enter key(i think that works too) and there you go, no more un-enhanced raged Zerker! |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Alicia on 02/23/03 at 19:02:02 Rage first, then champs, then enhance. 35+ str berserker |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Julius on 02/23/03 at 20:27:29 Correct, if you rage, then add buffs, it will work. My human berserker with 19 st gets 34 strength with rightous and enhance from my weaker cleric. When i add in my paladin with champs, its just crazy talk. Berserkers are nuts. Though, i do not think that they are overpowered. They cant wear armor, which means they take every hit, unless dodged, but since berserkers have low dex as it is, they will soak almost everything. However their attacks balance out. Even though a level 20 berserker packing a halberd could probably drop my level 26 gnome thief, I dont think my thief could kill the serker in one hit. They would have jsut about equal if not the serker having more hit points. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by King_Macros on 02/24/03 at 04:10:32 on 02/23/03 at 20:27:29, Julius wrote:
Do people read what they right...or are they just stupid? |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Julius on 02/24/03 at 12:38:20 What are you talking about? Just becuase they get insane strength, doesnt make them too powerful. My fighters, rangers, thieves can get that much strength, my paladin even more. Why don't you read everything. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Bullitt on 02/24/03 at 19:33:35 I wouldn’t be so quick to insult people Macros, I do recall, rectified or not, you stating the perfect argument for berserkers not having 6 stamina and then saying they should have it. Although blatantly an error, you obviously didn’t re-read what you had written, so would this make you stupid? No point to this I know, except… well why the hell do you people have to be so downright antagonistic!? |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Blade on 02/24/03 at 19:58:49 Zerkers are definatly over powered, this is at level 21: You attempted to smite Rest but failed and caused 296 points of damage. While he may be the same level as me, it still seems pretty over powered to me. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by King_Macros on 02/25/03 at 05:12:23 Actually, my post wasnt an error, it was sarcasm, and do to people on here, i said it was a typo so people wouldnt say certain things, we all know how people like to flame other people. And me saying him reading his post, i ment something else, and im not going to clerify on the basis im being lazy, just like i corrected the other post without saying it was sarcasm. so i will say, im wrong, i dont read my posts. Now, a crit with 22 str, can only get 32 str after mods... enhance and righteous together do 10, then champ doesnt work....you use enhance and champ, you get 31 str, righteous doesnt take effect on crits with these 2 spells, ignores them and hits all the crits without 2 mods....next is champ and righteous, also gives 9, when together enhance says 'this crit already has enhanced stats' bringoing its maximum back to 31 str...this happens on pally's, fighters, rangers, every class including pally's, so no, they cant get stronger then berserkers |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Silverwizard on 02/25/03 at 19:17:33 You forgot to factor in the 4 str from rage. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by King_Macros on 02/26/03 at 01:28:07 i was referencing to the fact that no crit can get as much strength as a berserker :) |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by darkman on 02/26/03 at 03:12:14 i just read that WHOLE thing(i cant connect to the server so im friken bored) and i agree with them being overpowered. with all the mods they r a power to rekon with, pretty soon alls u'll see when ur walkin around NM is lil' adept and expert zerkers. atm i cant think of n e other race that can compare. with my dwarf zerker(lvl 11, stats 21 xx 18 20 18 xx) i still havnt gotten below 14 hp per lvl, and 16 being the most. my dwarf fighter(though he only has 19 con) got 12 hp maybe once the whole time i have had him and hes arch. and i do understand there is a 1 con difference there, but isnt that a little strange. ::) |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by King_Macros on 02/26/03 at 03:37:52 my berserker has 18 con and hasnt gotten blow 14 |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by darkman on 02/26/03 at 14:21:18 WOW! but i realized after i posted that that all classes get different hp, so that doesnt matter i guess. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by PureMourning on 02/26/03 at 20:13:47 Overpowered, I think so. A level 25 dwarf beserker can kill a level 30 perfect halfling ranger. I feel that is wrong, and not balanced. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Callisto on 02/26/03 at 21:23:38 No, an Adept (lvl 20-23) berserker can kill an arch anything. Hell, why train anymore guys, lets just all use adept zerks and run around killing arches all day. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Callisto on 02/26/03 at 21:24:43 and btw races get different hp not classes ;) |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Bullitt on 02/26/03 at 21:37:33 If classes didn't get different hp then a dwarf fighter and berserker would have the same. It would also be the same for other classes such as mages, which would otherwise have the same hp as other classes of the same race, etc… ;) EDIT: Bah that reads worse than my normal posts, but the point was different classes do get different hp. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by King_Macros on 02/27/03 at 00:12:34 Race and classes both vary when getting hp a mage gets different hp then a berserker, and a dwarf berserker gets different hp then a orc berserker |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Og on 03/08/03 at 16:32:14 this may not be to anyone's liking here but berserkers are not overpowered. yes they can get more str, and yes they have better weapons when using abilities(berserk/smite) than a ranger or thieves ability of the same nature... but there is a couple big things you regret to notice, (1) dwarf berserkers and human berserkers can get good dex, but give up some str, and chance at higher hp, (2) half-orcs are mage bait and nearly have enough dex to withstand a good round. fighting them is just like fighting any other class, it takes good use of pots, timing, and spells. plus this fact, are we always bound to fight alone, no... thats why we have clans. if you find that you cannot defeat a berserker then its not a prob. either get yourself one, have some friends along, or suffer the consequences. there is always an alternative to power. id like to hear some feedback on what yall think, but do not intend to be flamed for not agreeing... Brink in game |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Anthony on 03/08/03 at 17:47:46 It ain't overpowering. Smite is an all or nothing assassinate. Berserk does damage to the berserker, and it also may miss. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Tzunami on 03/08/03 at 18:38:52 I think berserkers are definetly overpowered since, First of all, dex does not affect smite, so using rage would raise the str which would make the zerker smite for more without lowering the risk of not hitting with it. And just because they don't wear armor doesn't mean that others will hurt them so much more, maybe 20 dmg more per hit but their overwhelming hp more than covers the loss of armor. I suggest creating more balanced weapons for them. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Tender_Foot on 03/08/03 at 20:29:37 Smite ignores all armor, and it isnt an assassinate or miss... |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Og on 03/08/03 at 20:56:16 im sorry but my lvl 26 fighter has never been killed by smite once. whether or not it ignores all armor. tho true that it isnt and all or nothing assassinate, it isnt as much of a deathblow as ppl lead others to believe... if you say that berserkers are overpowered you are either too weak or too lazy to even try defeating them, you would rather give up and have them weakened to your liking. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Alicia on 03/09/03 at 00:54:50 'dex does not affect smite' 'Smite ignores all armor' Sez who??? 'and yes they have better weapons' hmm Hally base 25, DoS base 27 'Smite is an all or nothing assassinate' True, but nothing more often than not 'maybe 20 dmg more per hit' More like 50. My 5-perfect l20 zerker was rounded by zekhia (in a mosh, no enhance ect) who did 100-odd damage with 2 of his hits. Thinking it was coz that ranger has all the best equip, i tried hitting my zerker with my ranger (l26, no sgs or any other rares, no enhance)... 4 hits, 2 of which were 100+. Dead. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Tender_Foot on 03/09/03 at 01:49:59 smite..is not ALL ASSASSINATE OR MISS..Smite ignores armor, it's in other posts. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Alicia on 03/09/03 at 02:16:10 all or nothing, meaning, you either hit with all your stamina or miss completely, so with my l21 and hally i get from 210-250 damage but miss 3 times out of every 4, while my thief gets as high as 250 but down to 20 damage, and rarely misses completely |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Blast on 03/09/03 at 21:57:06 I dont think they SO overpowered, remamber about all ammys/guantles/boots they cant wear, i mean if ya got some real cash even a druid can kick a$$. |
||
|
Title: Re: Overpowered ? Post by Tender_Foot on 03/10/03 at 08:06:16 once again, smite is not all out, it does not miss 1 out of every 4 smite, if your does, then it sucks. my berserker is lvl 10 and hits for between 20 and 100 and misses 1 time out of like 10. |
||
|
Nightmist Online Forum » Powered by YaBB 1 Gold - SP 1.3.1! YaBB © 2000-2003. All Rights Reserved. |