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The Selling of DA.
« on: 12/27/03 at 03:25:17 » |
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First off, before any moderators lock this topic, just know that John gave me permission to post this topic to get all the facts straight about DA.
Secondly, I’ll start with a little story of the clan named DA. DA was originally made by Rob aka Astinus. He shared with Rick at the time (strike ONE, staff do not support sharing). Well, Rick decided to steal the clan because they shared the chairman character.
Next, Rick sold the clan to Will aka. Anarchy. Staff did NOT stop this from happening because staff do not support sharing.
Will bought DA because the clan house was larger then his current clan house illuminati. Since Will bought DA he has put millions of his own gold expanding the clan house and making a really awesome clan. Recently as you all may know he decided to merge with BoD and sell his clan house. This was met with resistance because of the clan’s stolen background.
I do not see why the clan being stolen has any affect on the selling of the clan house. First off, JLH put in the chairman position to prevent this type of thing from happening. When clan house selling was first put in, the theft of clan houses went crazy, most of them were allowed to be sold because if you are stupid enough to trust a thief with chairmanship/foundership it is your own fault.
If I were to own a clan that had 40+ rooms but I were to transfer chairmanship to some newbie who then stole it, It is my own stupidity and I would blame myself.
Chairmanship was put in to prevent ANY disputes about clan and clan house ownership. Whoever has chairmanship of a clan is the ‘commander and chief’ of that clan and clan house who can do with it whatever he pleases.
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #1 on: 12/27/03 at 03:51:35 » |
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Sounds right, I didn't know the story but people opposing the selling of Will's clan when he owns the chairman sounded abit strange.
If some newbie clan with 1 room was stolen by someone sharing with the chairman I seriously doubt anyone would step in to stop it being sold, and instantly lock any topic regarding it...
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #2 on: 12/27/03 at 04:41:24 » |
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on 12/27/03 at 03:25:17, Matt wrote:
Will bought DA because the clan house was larger then his current clan house illuminati. Since Will bought DA he has put millions of his own gold expanding the clan house and making a really awesome clan. Recently as you all may know he decided to merge with BoD and sell his clan house. This was met with resistance because of the clan’s stolen background.
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ROFL will put millions of his old gold? plz fool u just came back to play nm and u didnt join da till like 1 week before BoD came up he put nothing of his own gold so if u wana tell a story get your facts str8 fool
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #3 on: 12/27/03 at 05:12:29 » |
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I think he meant by buying the clan house from Rick.
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #4 on: 12/27/03 at 05:17:11 » |
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http://www.nightmist-online.co.uk/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?board=Discussion; action=display;num=1060140973
Rick posting that he was wrong for stealing the clan and that it did not belong to him.
http://www.nightmist-online.co.uk/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?board=Clan;action =display;num=1058512902;start=0
The original theft post where both sides fight amongst themselves. Theft is theft, just because you buy something that was stolen doesn't make it yours. Rob worked really hard on DA, Will purchased it for 5.5mil...thats nothing compared to what it's worth. When Will purchased it he understood it couldn't be sold because I remember monitoring the trade between him and Rick. I paged him and said something along the lines of 'you know it can't be sold back right?"
Rick even called Rob on the phone to make sure it was "ok" to sell to Will. I'm sure both sides can vouch for that.
Yes, Rob made a mistake but so has Anarchy many times and his mistakes have been 'fixed'. Why can't his be fixed as well?
Numerous times people have been stolen from and staff have tried there hardest to fix the situation...This is just another one of those times.
Thank you, Goodnight.
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #5 on: 12/27/03 at 05:26:31 » |
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The clan was stolen period. Rick admitted it in his post and he will probably still admit it to this day. Rick was not able to sell the clan because of the fact it was stolen. Why should will be able to sell it back? because he paid for it "Player to Player"? Will knew it couldnt be sold back that is his own fault. I also find it funny how someone who had nothing to do with this situation is making the post. Why not will? Or are you looking to get a sum of it?
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #6 on: 12/27/03 at 05:40:46 » |
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If the clan was stolen why is it being sold i dont think that should be allowed its not fair :s
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #7 on: 12/27/03 at 05:47:24 » |
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Oh, how suprising!
BoD think it should be sold, TR think it shouldn't. Never would have guessed that it would happen that way 
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #8 on: 12/27/03 at 05:52:29 » |
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I have been against this clan being sold even before BoD existed, Meph.
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #9 on: 12/27/03 at 05:57:07 » |
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Hadn't noticed that Diagonyte had joined bod, sorry.
I guess I should rephrase it then  Most people who don't want BoD to do well will say it shouldnt be allowed to be sold, while most people who like BoD/are in BoD, think it should be sold.
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #10 on: 12/27/03 at 06:12:35 » |
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This might not be the place, but I think the staff should have an equal view on theft of characters.
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #11 on: 12/27/03 at 06:19:48 » |
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on 12/27/03 at 05:57:07, Mephistroth wrote:Hadn't noticed that Diagonyte had joined bod, sorry.
I guess I should rephrase it then Most people who don't want BoD to do well will say it shouldnt be allowed to be sold, while most people who like BoD/are in BoD, think it should be sold. |
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As I previously stated, I have had this opinion on the situation since the beginning. When it comes down to it. It doesn't matter what BoD or TR think, it's what JLH thinks. I am coming at this situation as a member of the staff, not TR.
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #12 on: 12/27/03 at 06:38:24 » |
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guess i'll reply since i bought it ive donated gold not just bought it and when i bought it ..it had 36 ,27 spaces and rob disbanded da before i even join bod and most of main ppl that help da they either join bod or quit rob being one he quit and plays rev mostly i mean if im in bod wut point having da .
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #14 on: 12/27/03 at 06:49:19 » |
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What does TR not wanting DA to be sold have to do with BoD, surely you're not so naive as to think Will would donate all of that gold to a clan that hasn't even been around a couple of months. Much less the fact that he couldn't get his gold back if it went to buying rooms and BoD fell...
I hadn't realized that the clan had been the same clan that'd been stolen..was a tad confused on a few major points to this. I've always been partial to the fact that old DA was Rob's clan. I would think it fair if the only way it could be sold back to JLH for the ammount it ought to be sold for like most clans (3/4ths ch worth correct?) would be if Rob was ok with it.
I'm not going to try to go into great efforts either way since I was never in the clan. Both of them are my friends in game. My original post was just asking some ?s for a pal. Thank you for the answers to them staff.
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #15 on: 12/27/03 at 07:14:00 » |
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My opinion is that the clan is Rob's, therefore, sell the clan, but give Rob the gold. It's his clan house, he worked to make it and all that jazz.
And second of all, the rules say sharing is not supported, but it also says that when someone disputes a sale of a clan house, it will not be sold.
So, let's all holds hands and sing the song of TOO BAD. : )
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #16 on: 12/27/03 at 08:16:30 » |
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Will has already put a lot of gold into BoD. We don't expect any of the clan house gold to be donated. I posted this because I think it is crap to not allow the fair sale of DA to the current chairman of the clan.
What Rob did is basicly give chairmanship to someone, and he got jipped. Like I said, JLH put in Chairmanship to prevent these kind of problems, but despite the 'risk', he shared with someone who screwed him over.
On the theft page under clans:
Being so difficult to manage clan problems, staff will probably never intervene in any way. Exceptions involve server errors which leave you at a disadvantage.
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #17 on: 12/27/03 at 10:20:40 » |
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will probably never does not mean never.
read what you're pasting.
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #18 on: 12/27/03 at 12:10:43 » |
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fact is if i didn't give rick like 6 mil gold to get da rick would of sold it to jlh in first place i asked rob if it be ok if i bought da he said yea i dont see why it matters tho seeing rob dont play nightmist and im one who paid to get da back from rick
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Re: The Selling of DA.
« Reply #19 on: 12/27/03 at 14:24:59 » |
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omg people why the hell do any of you care anyway?... was it your clan your gold your time put into it... no so let the man do what he wants with 'his' clan the he did buy with his own money... now weather or not staff was involved makes no differance.... he bought the clan fair and square so stop pregnant doging about it and let the man on his way...
William sell the clan... you paid for it so i see absolutely no reason for you to keep it if you have no purpose for it.
I swear if its not 1 thing you guys are pregnant doging about its another i have advice for all of nm and that is
Mind your own gd business... im sure if this was you wanting to sell your clan you would all be in an uproar about it.
Everyone wants wants wants but nobody ever gives.... just let the man have whats entitled to him and move on with your lives its a game for christ sake.
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