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[Prophet]

I'm not a machine of facts these are things that happened over 2 years ago, if your really interested do some digging around on the forums you'll probably find them.

This topic uses the example of the 1a server it isn't about it as surely your not suggesting seperate banning policies for both servers?


If they left then the outcome is the same as the permanent ban and therefore the outcome is completely the same.

One such case that if anyone is willing to look up about a long-term ban of a friend of mine, came back and then got perm banned so hardly reformed.

[Guess]

The outcome is not the same if they left, because they left by choice. Where as perm ban forces you to.

And if long term bans make people leave, then why don't they just use those?


Also, for not being a machine on facts from over 2 years ago, you sure do know what happened over two years ago. And what amazes me even more is you knowing what went on/goes on, on the 1a server, which you did/do not play.


P.S. Ty for the support on long term bans over perm bans

Edited by Guess, 20 November 2009 - 04:28 PM.

[Pureza]

You say you want development on 1a. Yet it seems to me, and this is just my opinion. That you would rather have staff "waste" their time dealing with unruly, anti-social, and disruptive players. Perm bans are not handed out as a first resort. The staff, in my experience, have tried their damneest to keep players active in previous years. But for the most part, the playerbase has beat the want to make the game better out of them. Through acts of theft and general idocy. I personally think that perm bans are great and the people I know have recieved them, had them coming. Some of them for a long, long time.

On a side note, if Jordan was perm banned for his first transgression on 1a, it was because of the multiple transgressions on main prior to 1a opening.

[Guess]

More people talking about what they don't know about.

"On a side note, if Jordan was perm banned for his first transgression on 1a, it was because of the multiple transgressions on main prior to 1a opening."

^ Not even close. In fact, wasn't even talking about the perm ban placed on jordan for his "first" offense.


Hence, The thread being focused on ALL perm bans not just one person.

[Prophet]

Lol they want them unbanned so much I say unban them on 1a, but not on Main.

Only problem is that will cue a thread in a couple months about how anti-social everything is and how some people have had stuff stolen.

Edited by Prophet, 20 November 2009 - 05:05 PM.

[IXThunderDomeXI]

This post made me laugh why the heck should perm players come back? they were perm ban for a reason

http://www.nightmist...showtopic=27045

Thats the reason jordan got banned btw for stealing abunch of crap over and over again then letting a perm player in acct and lying to staff, why should he get another chance to play when he has already had so many chances?

[Guess]

This post made me laugh why the heck should perm players come back? they were perm ban for a reason

http://www.nightmist...showtopic=27045

Thats the reason jordan got banned btw for stealing abunch of crap over and over again then letting a perm player in acct and lying to staff, why should he get another chance to play when he has already had so many chances?

Funny coming from you. Who was in the account with the perm banned player. Which is part of the reason you disappeared for so long. And I believe that you were in the account with the perm banned player before he was.

P.S. - Even read the thread?

Edited by Guess, 20 November 2009 - 05:37 PM.

[Cambria]

boooo

[Gnarkill]

I didn't read all of this thread but I would like to see the day bans and week bans put back into place with some consistency... some of the people who are perm banned deserve it and the community is better without them, but some are unfairly perm banned also. I think if there was a ban system and minor bans were more common it would stop some of the "problem players" before they got to perm ban status, and if not then you know they were all warned and a perm ban was deserved rather than this off the cuff judgement that has been going on.

something like(effects both member who got banned and thier sharers as its in the tos not to share anyways):
1st- warning
2nd-day ban
3rd-week ban
4th-month ban
5th-year ban
6th-perm ban
with a side rules:
-if you bypass any ban its a automatic jump to the next level of banning.


Granted more staff would have to be active, discuss bans with eachother and keep the system in check but I think over all a simple system would give the playerbase a better understanding of why "so and so was perm banned" and we would see more consistant efforts to make the game more enjoyable for all.

[ice_cold]

okay. while we're letting jordan come back. lets let ed, elsie, damon ectect come back. they were banned for a reason. though, im fine with letting ed back so he can steal your stuff sarah. then you would know why there's perm bans. you havent been playing long enough to make a decision as to wether perm bans increase or decrease game play. i saw quite a few people quit because ed stole from them.

[Prophet]

Nah man its their fault that they got stole from remember, she welcomes a culture of thievery and a lack of trust in the game

Edited by Prophet, 20 November 2009 - 10:20 PM.

[Apocalypto]

Im not even going to read the arguments saying sarahs graph proves nothing. I was the one that let jordan play in my account and i know for a fact the game benefited from it. Our clans numbers were through the roof and we had 20 people on at times regularly. I allowed him to access one of the better accounts in the game and didnt have a single issue.

[Prophet]

No you mean your clan benefited.

You didn't have a single problem, others clearly did.

[Apocalypto]

/eyes. Lost a lvl 35 druid. 34 ranger. 8 rots. 2 aoh broomstick spyglass ect ect ect ect and IT WAS WORTH IT. The game was twice as fun with that noob, for pande and da, because DA could actually compete with pande(since we had activity instead of the occasional logging on/off.)

Edited by Apocalypto, 21 November 2009 - 12:10 AM.

[Prototype]

Not that I care one way or another, as these threads are common as dirt. Does someone actually still want to reply as to why the numbers in November are higher now then they were a year before. Doesn't that mean activity is climbing?

Also I've seen other people, for example Prophet, putting down facts that were never addressed in replies. To me this equals how thieves work, they prey on the weak, and ignore the strong. They target the arguments that are there as fillers, but never target the core of the problem. I could lock it, but tbh, I could never give a better reason as to why perm banned players should be banned then what some people are giving here.

I won't forget this, thanks for making my job easier, and helping me focus on things that matter.

[Apocalypto]

Jordan didnt start playing again until mid november.. when the numbers started to climb...


edit: got banned in april. and look at that activity soar from there on out.

Edited by Apocalypto, 21 November 2009 - 12:50 AM.

[Prophet]

Will someone answer me why activity didn't drop dramatically until mid April, when he was banned on the 1st April? Considering he was the one that was holding everything together apparently.

Edited by Prophet, 21 November 2009 - 01:24 AM.

[Apocalypto]

Our clan continued to log on for a while, but with the core members gone it dissipated, causing the server to do the same.

[Prophet]

No, dissipated would be a gradual decline over 2 weeks, and I find it hard to believe everyone waited 2 weeks before deciding to quit over a 2 day period

[Apocalypto]

Nobody even knew it was jordan prior to being banned(besides a very select few). The clan stopped running trips ect ect when he got banned(not saying he is the only one capable of running the trips, im saying that select few that knew it was him were more active which led to others being more active and so on..). When this ripple effect was ended the clan got bored and stopped playing. Thus the servers numbers dropped dramatically. Your not going to comprehend what happened from looking at a graph, and if you cant accept the information i am giving based on what i saw first hand then i dont know what to tell you.

Edited by Apocalypto, 21 November 2009 - 01:48 AM.

[Prophet]

You've attacked me for not believing what the graph shows, so I've tried to analyse it into more depth yet still can't work out why it would take 2 weeks before everyone decided to stop playing during a 2 day period, unless there was some other event which caused them to stop playing.

[Apocalypto]

I didnt attack you? You asked questions, that i answered.



It didnt just happen over a 2 day period, it happened over a 6 day period, and on 1alt you log in see who is on and then log off if nothing is going to happen.


edit:pink represents jordan..

edit2: the first half of april people continued to log on, except the core members, therefore bosses ect were not done. Then hmm, this sucks ill just stop logging on. I think i explained how that happened above /shrug.

edit3: the smaller graph doesnt show that the it was infact a 6day period and that it gradually decreased so to speak

Edited by Apocalypto, 21 November 2009 - 02:12 AM.

[Prophet]

I'm talking about the sharpest drop during april which would appear to be 3 days.

[Apocalypto]

I have already pointed out several times what happened. Read. The founders involved in clericing and running trips stopped playing at the same time(because of the ban). When the members logged on to see that no trips were going to happen, they logged back off.

Edited by Apocalypto, 21 November 2009 - 02:50 AM.

[Prophet]

Yes which would surely lead to a gradual decline, not one 2 weeks after the event over a 3 day period...Perhaps take your own advice and read what I'm writing.

[Walt]

To Prophet:

There was a very drastic drop off because I went on a very hard core pking spree to try to kill off my enemy. That is why it is that way.

To Ryan:

I knew he was back, and I almost always know when The One We Do Not Speak Of is back.
To Prophet:

You say people who make other people not want to play should be perm banned...

I pk tons, and made people not want to log on when I am on, should I be perm banned?


PsssssV3.598

Although The One We Do Not Speak Of is perm banned, and probably should remain that way, his interaction in the game is always more fun.

Edited by Walt, 21 November 2009 - 05:45 AM.

[Sarah]

This thread has gone completely pointless very quickly. It was not meant to be about Jordan, or theft, but about how perm bans are too harsh for the first few offenses on a game with such a low player base. There were only very few constructive posts on here, and I'm closing it before it gets even more rediculous.
No wonder staff has mostly given up on us.