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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #20 on: 02/24/03 at 19:55:32 » |
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It seems they have 6 stamina, and they get it at level 27 (Thats what Wyvern says anyway)
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« Reply #21 on: 02/25/03 at 05:20:39 » |
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i knew all along they did, you can tell by when they originally get 2 stamina and 3rd...but maybe showing disapproval by people, they will get lowered to 5
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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #22 on: 02/25/03 at 06:36:43 » |
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I also feel it semi-makes the fighter class useless...this is like a fighter, can use all of the fighter weapons, but it has tons more hp...tons people...the main class people use for fighters as i have noticed is dwarf...and same for berserkers..so theres no type of dex problem...they cant have armor..thats a pain..but they get up to 500 hp i bet you money they do...and that does make the armor issue kinda out there because of how much more damage they can take...my crits have never been hit for over 75ish by any other crits...so they with 350 (about max) for a fighter would die from 5 of those rapid fired....but a berserker would live i belive...which makes it better...and then you have smite which seems to me is stronger than assass by theif, and berserk which is also pretty much rapid fire...and they can up str when fighting monsters that you dont miss often...i feel they may just be a bit too strong...but i like the class...fighters just need something special about them 
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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #23 on: 02/25/03 at 12:03:57 » |
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Remember the major down fall of this clas that distiguishes them from fighters is the fact they don't get armor. That is the reason for the HP being up so high.
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« Reply #24 on: 02/25/03 at 12:06:29 » |
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Doesn't really mean much.. i've seen a level 20 zerker take down archies
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« Reply #25 on: 02/25/03 at 13:16:18 » |
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yeh I've seen that aswell
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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #26 on: 02/25/03 at 16:35:42 » |
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I wouldn't see that as something to smile about....though, I did just shut down someone who thought they were all that and attacked me. 3 adept Berserkers, and expert franger, and an adept cleric. I had 2 expert fighters, an expert pally, expert mage, and adept cleric. it took me 5 rounds, which in that time, they should have all been dead, but 1 ran. so they aren't completely un-beatable, but one of them was being annoying and smiting me for 200
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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #27 on: 02/25/03 at 16:43:55 » |
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It would seem that the lack of armor is a non-issue, given that they have so many more hitpoints (from what I've read...I won't play a berserker until at least one tweak is done to the class because I hate having my "work" taken away). By giving them an extra 150 or so hitpoints, the lack of armor is cancelled out because you are essentially giving them what they would have if they could wear armor.
Hmm..not sure I'm describing this effectively...
Armor essentially "saves" your hit points, letting you last longer in battle. By giving berserkers more hp, the same effect is accomplished.
For the lack of armor to be an issue, their hp needs to be "normal"...as in, somewhere around fighter range. Then the disadvantage of no armor really is a disadvantage. The high damage rate would then be the counteracting advantage.
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« Reply #28 on: 02/25/03 at 19:20:11 » |
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I am in agreement with Val.
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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #29 on: 02/26/03 at 01:29:33 » |
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me too
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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #30 on: 02/28/03 at 04:40:41 » |
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Goddam Valentine is the person in this thread we have been needing to post the whole time... The extra hp makes up for the loss of armour.
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« Reply #31 on: 02/28/03 at 08:15:44 » |
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I agree with what Val said, But level 20 berserkers taking out Archies? isnt that a BIT, wrong.
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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #32 on: 02/28/03 at 17:22:45 » |
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No class should be able to one-round anyone else within (at least) 5 levels except thieves. The berserker's smite and ranger's rapid fire are just alternatives for assassinate, and it would appear smite is much more effective (rangers have been altered so many times I can't keep track of what their damage is).
That's just silly. Assassinate should be a feature that is unique to thieves.
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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #33 on: 02/28/03 at 20:19:59 » |
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Assass is far more effective.. i tried with a l18 theif and l18 zerker, both dwarf with perfect fighting skills, no rage or stat enhancers, all attacks done on the orc
Thief hits 90% of time, damage around 90 but can be as low as 30
Zerker hits 25% of time, for about 100-140 damage (remember zerker has the pike thief only has a golden)
As for berserk, it does about 10 extra damage per hit but costs that in hp loss, and only hits about once in every five attacks.
I tend to use the normal berzerker attack, hits more often than not and does decent damage
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« Reply #34 on: 02/28/03 at 23:19:19 » |
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I could be wrong but having trained both dwarf thieves and a berserker, I would disagree with the values you stated; In my opinion dwarf thieves hit a lot less than 90% and berserkers a hell of a lot more than 25%, at level 18.
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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #35 on: 03/01/03 at 14:42:18 » |
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i didn't read all post but i say 5 stam is enough 
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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #36 on: 03/01/03 at 14:45:14 » |
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ooh i did read val's first post and i agree with that too so i'm going for less hp or less stam :d
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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #37 on: 03/04/03 at 07:45:22 » |
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on 02/28/03 at 20:19:59, Alicia wrote:Assass is far more effective.. i tried with a l18 theif and l18 zerker, both dwarf with perfect fighting skills, no rage or stat enhancers, all attacks done on the orc
Thief hits 90% of time, damage around 90 but can be as low as 30
Zerker hits 25% of time, for about 100-140 damage (remember zerker has the pike thief only has a golden)
As for berserk, it does about 10 extra damage per hit but costs that in hp loss, and only hits about once in every five attacks.
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25% means they would hit 1 in 4 attacks. And my lvl 23 thief with 4 stamina and 21 str and crystal knife does 90 damage with assainate, i've never done 90 damage at lvl 18 to a player. *maybe this is just my 2 thieves though* Anyways, i've dueled zerkers, and they hit about 75% of the time
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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #38 on: 03/12/03 at 03:11:53 » |
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Re: 6 Stamina
« Reply #39 on: 03/23/03 at 15:59:46 » |
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Okay, time for my input.
I own a level 30 zerker, 5 stat, best HP in game as far as I know.
I use berserk on people because smite has a high miss rate, I've missed up to 10+ times in duels, and ended up getting smoked rather easy.
With berserk, you lose 25 HP a go, and with the loss of HP, not only are you getting hit for 70s like a monster, but you're also losing HP just from attacking the opponent. Today, I thought I'd take a gander and try and round a lvl 26 or 27 ranger, figuring "Hey, a lvl 19 can round a 30, a lvl 30 can round a 26!" Needless to say, I was wrong. I clicked and the zerker misses 4/6, and then I got hit by a thief, ranger, and fighter. I ended up stam tricking him, which was my only way to win, and had to run. I had a loss of over 600 HP before that time was up. *Thank god for pots*
Needless to say, smite hits rarely, and when it does, it's just like assassinate, it can hit for very low, or very high.
As for berserk, it's sacrifice is deadly, and if you don't know what to do, or how to play a berserker effectively, you're screwed. 18 dex isn't the highest a berserker can get, but it's a nice stat for them. Not only do I miss a lot, I also seem to get hit a lot more, and harder.
Now tell me, if I can barely round a lvl 26-27 ranger with 8 stamina, why should we lose a stam, or have to suffer even MORE damage to ourselves?
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