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[Final Universe]

EDIT: formula's I were given are wrong. Info I was told were wrong.
spell belongs ingame.

Edited by Final Universe, 28 December 2005 - 05:49 AM.

[Gaddy]

I think it's fine.

There are three in game, and the people with them are not the type to sit around being prats with it. In moshes everyone will try to kill the devastate mage first, so it shouldn't be a problem.
It definatly should not be sold in shops at any believable price. It never has been, and it shouldn't be changed just because some people are upset they didn't win out on a quest.

Edited by Gaddy, 27 December 2005 - 11:27 PM.

[Ryuku]

Takes more mana, don't forget to note that, isn't it like 40 mana a cast?

[Final Universe]

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Edited by Final Universe, 28 December 2005 - 05:51 AM.

[EvilDognapot]

the fact that it is observably better than beam should not qualify as overpowered.

btw, what is devestate like after +5 intel mods?

edit: i believe we used to have these debates on devestate alot in the past.

Edited by EvilDognapot, 28 December 2005 - 02:17 AM.

[Sneaky]

You're pissy because you don't have it. If you had this item, you wouldn't complain AT ALL.

Three were given out, and they were hard to get!

Look at other items-- Rune staff. Inquisitor's Ring. Bracelet of Speed. Ring of the Wise.

Also, I take Calculus 2, and your calculations are bullnuts and not needed, lol. Why does beam get *4 and devastate *5?

In summary, theres plenty of items that are overpowering. Complaining isn't going to do nuts. If you don't like it, its a game, quit.

[Sneaky]

By the way, its DEVASTATE. Not devestate. If you're going to argue a case against something, spell it right, or no one will take you seriously (not like they do anyway).

[Thunderja]

Not much point me posting here sorry, I will obviously be bias but heres a couple of things that should be noted.

- 30 mil is a lot! Thats what I paid for 6-8 extra damage on a player a shot. Not a hell of a lot if you consider how much extra my 3 cobalts were doing a shot and keeping me healed.

- "Good" people own them. Who owns them may seem irrelevant but really it shouldn't be. Like them (us) or not there has NEVER been any question about theft or foul play. Show me a harder working player than Joe? People are under the impression Alan did the majority of work for my account, that is untrue. I worked equally as hard for what we have. And mike, made a great impact and account all alone.

Now for my point. So they have a "slight" edge in certain events where mage use is well suited. Not ANY more of an edge than retards like Ste where if it wasn't for theft wouldn't even have high enough level crits to join them.

- (For me, shouldn't speak for others) At the actual quest to earn this item fewer people deserved it more. I was there for the first kill and was there for the last. I also am aware some people may have deserved it even more than me, but in the end money talked, sorry.

- Honestly, I am almost certain there was never meant to be 3 dropped. But thats the way it went. Think of that math, lets say 8 people are there killing it. So for starters Mike/Joe/Brock had a 1/8 chance of getting a kill. Add to that the drop % which I would think would be around the 1% mark and it was just plain freaky.

- Who will get dropped in a mosh first? It was bad enough before imagine Chiquita in a mosh now.

- It will actually be used!!! Not stored in some rotting account for someone who doesn't even play yet feels the need to insult people who do on forums.

Finally it seems I have not posted against the topic which is "Devastate is overpowered". It seems I am just justifying why it shouldn't be changed. That fact is it is very powerful, but not stupidly. Zerks can still smite me, mages can still beam me, clerics and pallys can still heal. But 6-8 or so hp's a shot and only 8 more mana works for me and I bet if anyone else had it, it would be just fine for them too.

[draykill]

Devastate is fine the way it is, crits get rounded with beam so who cares. As it was already said, if you (people complaining) got the drop, it would be a different story, but since you don't have the scroll, your whining. They earned their drops, everyone who participated had an equal chance at the drop, people who did not participate in the quest should keep their mouths shut.

[Gaddy]

-me tacks on the footnote-
Look, everyone thinks it is fine except the person who made the post, unless others just don't wanna post.

[Dracon]

i still cant get over i got 5 kills on evil santa and didnt get one tho
but good job to the 3 ppl in game who owns it they deserve it
^-^

[Momba]

Leave Devastate alone. Nice to see the spell finally ingame. Great job to those who got the drops.

[joanna]

Also, I take Calculus 2, and your calculations are bullnuts and not needed, lol. Why does beam get *4 and devastate *5?

was several years since i did math, but isnt Calculus an area of math dealing with rates of change? Surely even the most complex formula for calculating spell damage would be covered by basic algebra?

only formula ive found in nm so far that even touches calculus is the hunger, which is dy/dx=1

as for devestate mages, if anyone sees them in a fight or mosh they will attract hits.... that spell nearly rounded my 22 wis cleric in 4 stam.... people know the damage it can do, as good as dev is it dosnt make the mage any more resistant to a good whack by a thief or a smite

[Sneaky]

No, but the dex equipment the mage can use instead of other stuff does!

And the calculus comment was to say that i'm really good at math and i didn't understand where he pulled those calculations

Edited by Sneaky, 02 January 2006 - 05:21 PM.

[Kalypso]

honestly i don't give 3 craps who has the spell, it's about time it's in game again. it was just something else that existed in game that was going to waste.

the spell isnt THAT great, like someone stated above, most mages round 18wis crits anyway, so what difference does it make that 3 mages in game will be able to round anything?lol

also i'd also like to say i'm glad that somewhat decent people have it (hot hot jared especially) and not some putz n00bs who run around talking crap 24/7.

it would also be cool to see pandilex's tower open up.. (wasn't that were it was suppose to drop anyway)


that is all.



PS : JLH can you make it so thieves can 1 hit click people again? that would be swell..especially now since there is devastate ty

Edited by Kalypso, 07 January 2006 - 04:17 PM.

[Eamon]

I miss those thief days. When the original Apogee/XFang would sit and wait for me to train, and I would never get to. Thieves need that back.

[joanna]

it would also be cool to see pandilex's tower open up.. (wasn't that were it was suppose to drop anyway)

Thought that was supposed to be the Brookrirge Tower in Dendeya... or was that the staff of power?

[EvilDognapot]

PS : JLH can you make it so thieves can 1 hit click people again? that would be swell..especially now since there is devastate ty

pretty please? or maybe just my thieves?

[MessiahX]

How much and when did the damage on thieves get lowered? I must have missed that or it was a long long long time ago.