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[Sneaky]

Simple question... Why can't Elves be paladins? Their stats would not make them superior to other paladin races (Human and Halfling currently).

Elf- 18 xx 19 18 20 21
Human- 19 xx 19 19 19 19
Halfling- 18 xx 21 18 18 19

Benefits of Elf- Heals for more than any other race
Benefits of Human- Heals for more than Halflings, Higher HP, Hits for more than Elves and Halflings
Benefits of Halflings- Lands hits/dodges hits the best

I'm not sure how much sense an Elf Paladin makes from a role-play sense. I can see the argument that Elves can be almost every Class, which I guess would come into play. If that is the case, however... Why can't Half-Elves at least be Paladins?

A half-elf would be part Human, part Elf. A Half-Elf can be a Cleric and a fighter...Hell, it can even be a Berserker. I don't think it makes too much sense to allow a part-elf to be a Berserker and not a Paladin.

What do you think? Should Elves or Half-Elves be allowed to be Paladins?

[Despair]

yes

[Crane]

Role-play reasons I am still attempting to acquire or work out myself, but the reason why Elves cannot be Paladins, from the game's point of view, is that they will have far too much mana by the time they reach level 30, due to their high Wisdom.

[Sean]

I don't see a problem with either of them being Paladins. Supported.

EDIT: To Crane, I don't see why that would terribly unbalance them. They would have the same HP as halfling but be hit more. I see this as a fair trade-off for higher MP.

EDIT: Mike's idea would also work. ^^

Edited by Sean, 11 August 2005 - 11:09 PM.

[Shaginator]

I see why the mana aspect holds it back, but his point does make sense as far as i can see

[Sneaky]

Role-play reasons I am still attempting to acquire or work out myself, but the reason why Elves cannot be Paladins, from the game's point of view, is that they will have far too much mana by the time they reach level 30, due to their high Wisdom.

I believe JLH could make it that having 20 base wisdom could give you %chance of gaining a 10 or 11 mana. That way MP won't be too much higher, it will be a random set of gains of either 10 or 11.

[joanna]

Role-play reasons I am still attempting to acquire or work out myself, but the reason why Elves cannot be Paladins, from the game's point of view, is that they will have far too much mana by the time they reach level 30, due to their high Wisdom.

Paladins have too much mana and too little hitpoints, whichever class you choose. The weakest of paladins should have more hp than the toughest of rangers/thieves, and should have nowhere near as much mana as dr00ds and clerics

[Sneaky]

That is true.. Why do paladins have exact same HP gains as a cleric?

[Satterlee]

Supported!

[Rappy_Ninja]

Role-play reasons I am still attempting to acquire or work out myself, but the reason why Elves cannot be Paladins, from the game's point of view, is that they will have far too much mana by the time they reach level 30, due to their high Wisdom.

Paladins have too much mana and too little hitpoints, whichever class you choose. The weakest of paladins should have more hp than the toughest of rangers/thieves, and should have nowhere near as much mana as dr00ds and clerics

oh my gosh



pallys are already never used if you lower their mana they may as well be removed from the game


in short dont talk about stuff you know nothing about

[Sourcream]

hurm Elven pally's.. What next? Hafling Berserkers? Dwarven Paladins? Gnome Rangers? maybe a Dwarven Ranger?


lol I dont have a problem with Elves being Paladins.. but if soo ... then why cant Dwarves be paladins?

[Sean]

hurm Elven pally's.. What next? Hafling Berserkers? Dwarven Paladins? Gnome Rangers? maybe a Dwarven Ranger?


lol I dont have a problem with Elves being Paladins.. but if soo ... then why cant Dwarves be paladins?

Because the stats make sense with Elven Paladins... Dwarf Paladins don't...

Also there's a roleplay reason... If you read a book do you think there would be Dwarf Paladins, Halfling Berserkers, and Gnome Rangers? No... because it would be stupid...

In short, use your common sense.

Edited by Sean, 15 August 2005 - 05:47 PM.

[Squee]

Also there's a roleplay reason... If you read a book do you think there would be Dwarf Paladins, Halfling Berserkers, and Gnome Rangers? No... because it would be stupid...

Don't make fun of dwarf paladins. They can make for some of the most devout followers of any faith. Dwarves (when they answer the "call" to be a paladin) give up their family ties in order to pursue righteousness and the greater good. Being able to break with tradition (especially one so rigid and essenetial to dwarven society) is only a glimpse at the kind of devotion a dwarf paladin must have.

And just as dwarves can make fierce paladins, so can halflings make fearsome berserkers. Just because of they suffer from a short stature doesn't mean that they can be no less fierce than, say, a half-orc. Though rare, halflings can become ruthless killing machines just as any other race.

I won't even bother arguing about gnome rangers as I've RP'ed with a few. They are not to be taken lightly.

But remember, Nightmist is not an roleplaying game. Logic (not matter how deeply routed in accepted fantasy motifs) makes very little impact.

[Sean]

Also there's a roleplay reason... If you read a book do you think there would be Dwarf Paladins, Halfling Berserkers, and Gnome Rangers? No... because it would be stupid...

Don't make fun of dwarf paladins. They can make for some of the most devout followers of any faith. Dwarves (when they answer the "call" to be a paladin) give up their family ties in order to pursue righteousness and the greater good. Being able to break with tradition (especially one so rigid and essenetial to dwarven society) is only a glimpse at the kind of devotion a dwarf paladin must have.

And just as dwarves can make fierce paladins, so can halflings make fearsome berserkers. Just because of they suffer from a short stature doesn't mean that they can be no less fierce than, say, a half-orc. Though rare, halflings can become ruthless killing machines just as any other race.

I won't even bother arguing about gnome rangers as I've RP'ed with a few. They are not to be taken lightly.

But remember, Nightmist is not an roleplaying game. Logic (not matter how deeply routed in accepted fantasy motifs) makes very little impact.

Err.. Well.. I can't think of anything to counter that with.

Now that a look into this more, I don't see why any class can't be any race unless there is some sort of valid reason...

But it is Nightmist so I don't expect to see anything changed anytime soon... or ever...

[Sean]

Got a reason from JLH.

JLH - Nightmist says:
a d&d thing

[Squee]

Blah, forget it. We're already off topic enough.

Edited by Squee, 16 August 2005 - 03:12 PM.

[Rappy_Ninja]

so can halflings make fearsome berserkers

to begin with my zerk blonde (helf so 18 str) hits loads to much with only 19 dex the idea of having a zerk ingame with 21 dex is beyond loads over powered

[PrimeX]

why cant gnomes be pallys then huh?

[Sneaky]

Gnome's can't be fighters, Elves can. I don't really understand why a Gnome couldn't be a fighter, though..

[combusta]

Gnome's can't be fighters, Elves can. I don't really understand why a Gnome couldn't be a fighter, though..

notice by their max str. their 2 weak

[Raylen]

I love this topic, it says Paladin Races and it just makes me think of racing pallys from silversail to sarka and back...

[.?.]

why cant gnomes be pallys then huh?

3-4 foot tall pallys would own huh?, there blades are prob bigger then them selfs

[Oldwin]

I think thats the whole point... a paladin is supposed to be a 'human'.... I'm assuming a halfling is some sort of half-human creature... (and half whatever else that makes him so fast.... lol). Perhaps, maybe extending the possible races for Palli's to include maybe the Half-Elf (seeing as its also half human).

[Venture]

3-4 foot tall pallys would own huh?, there blades are prob bigger then them selfs

Halflings can be Paladins and they're 4 foot on average (according to LOTR).

So Gnomes don't have the excuse of being too small.

Edited by Venture, 01 June 2006 - 10:12 AM.

[Sneaky]

If we based our game on LOTR, what a sad sad realm it would be.

I still like my suggestion, though.