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[MysticStorm]

Well, not that I'm against team-play or heavy alt-users but 99 percent of the time I am online, none of my clan or friend's are online. So I would have to use 10+ alts (13 maximum is all I use) to do as I need to. Some people do train for mostly money as well and not everyone is going to want to split their earnings with someone else. I mean, you know how much a Blade of Time is costing these days? Too much for one alt to scrimp and save while battling off pk'ers. If this game is supposed to be team-playing oriented then perhaps a reset should be in order, make the game 1 alt use only and drop the prices of armor, weapons, mana and that would solve everyone's problem. But let's get real here. A reset will never happen, this game won't drop down to 1 alt only so can we at least make things just a tad bit more easier on players to cut down the lag such as, I don't know, the dial-up users who are lucky if they can play 2 alts at one time and will still have the lagging problem when they are in the party being lead around and their pics turn to afk anyways? It's just a courtesy and fair game idea. Not like it's gonna kill you.

[Rappy_Ninja]

nm2 = 1 alt only nm = alt wars the way its gonna be and shouldent be changed

[MysticStorm]

NM2 is not NM1. NM2 isn't even out yet so why discuss a game that isn't even done and has nothing to do with NM1? The toggling of the afk message, isn't going to affect the alt wars either. People will still be able to pk and people can still die. Just now people can do both faster and the training will just be a tad bit easier instead of getting killed by the lag because it has to take a few seconds for the picture to change. It's not that big of a request and it's not making the powerful more powerful or anything else. So what's the big deal? Not like we are asking to just do it for the 1 alt users so they can over power the heavy alt users for a few seconds.

[alone]

Thank you Squee, I almost started crying after Perfections post.
MysticStorm, your friends aren't on at the same time as you? Make new friends?
Training with someone else doesn't mean you'll only get half as much gold either, if you both use several characters, you'll kill nearly twice as many monsters in the same time. Also, if you're not training, and only out to get gold, there are much easier ways to get it without using so many characters.
How many people have ever really tried training properly with another person? I used to find the time would go so much faster, and I'd really enjoy my time on-line (makes me want to log on now!).

I'm against the promotion of alts, however, I see no reason (other than programming time) why you couldn't bind this to IP..

[Perfection]

you built the Harabec Dungeons didn't you?  unless i'm mistaken that area promote heavy alt use .. i can't do it on any less that 8 i've tryed several times.. even with 8 it is extreamly difficult *shrugs*

...Not to step on any toes here but I believe it was supposed to promote team-play. /invite is not just for your alts - I kid you not.

posibly but hey... There are 15 characters online, (15 users). this is often the case when i'm online is pretty dam tough to get those other 14 to come play nice

[MysticStorm]

MysticStorm, your friends aren't on at the same time as you? Make new friends?
Training with someone else doesn't mean you'll only get half as much gold either, if you both use several characters, you'll kill nearly twice as many monsters in the same time. Also, if you're not training, and only out to get gold, there are much easier ways to get it without using so many characters.
How many people have ever really tried training properly with another person? I used to find the time would go so much faster, and I'd really enjoy my time on-line (makes me want to log on now!).

Alone, I do the majority of my training on my nights off which is usually between 10 pm eastern and 7 am in the morning. Now, from 10 pm to usually 1 am, I can find someone to train with. After that time though when there are example 15 alts and 15 users online (which is horribly less during the time I stated), no one wants to play nice and train as Perfector has perfectly stated. And as I have come to notice lately, the alts that are usually on when I am, are people who are enemied clans and are only interested in killing me. Hense another reason why I have to use a large amount of crits because I keep getting jumped by an even larger amount of alts used by one player or teams. (I still want to know how someone can log on 20 crits and be able to use all 20 crits at the same time because I can only fit 13, maybe 14 on my screen if I'm lucky!)

Ps. Oh yeah, before someone comes up with the smartass reply of "Well stop making enemies." I have only made one enemy in this game on my own and that was because I was arguing with perfector so I had his clan enemy mine and one other. The rest of them, when I asked why they enemied my clan, was just simply because I was a newbie clan and for no reason in specific. Well, MysticShadows is no longer a newbie clan having been in existance for 3 months? (maybe longer but you know how time flies when having fun), have been in the top 10 twice and maybe for a third time very shortly.. what's the excuse now? Oh yeah and what cracks me up the most is, some of the clans are newbie clans themselves trying to claim that my clan is a newbie clan (which if talking about the players themselves, I have more players that have played for years than I do those who just started playing for a few months.)

Edited by MysticStorm, 23 November 2005 - 11:17 AM.

[Raylen]

Ps. Oh yeah, before someone comes up with the smartass reply of "Well stop making enemies." I have only made one enemy in this game on my own and that was because I was arguing with perfector so I had his clan enemy mine and one other. The rest of them, when I asked why they enemied my clan, was just simply because I was a newbie clan and for no reason in specific. Well, MysticShadows is no longer a newbie clan having been in existance for 3 months? (maybe longer but you know how time flies when having fun), have been in the top 10 twice and maybe for a third time very shortly.. what's the excuse now? Oh yeah and what cracks me up the most is, some of the clans are newbie clans themselves trying to claim that my clan is a newbie clan (which if talking about the players themselves, I have more players that have played for years than I do those who just started playing for a few months.)

Heh. Newbie clans own, remember when my brave aviators got to #1? Good times

[Gaddy]

I REALLY do not see how placing the fact that it is good for those of us who use alts is a reason to put the idea down.
I mean damn, why should we have to deal with annoyances that are not needed at all just because we use several characters.
It's one thing to say that people should use fewer alts and give good reason for it. It's entirely different to say that a command/toggle shouldn't be implemented for the reason of it being helpful to people who use alts---it does not do anything that causes the party to be stronger; it simply eliminates a common annoyance.

[Stotic]

Ever hear of clans, friends etc? Difficult areas aren't designed for one person to conquer them, but for a band of people to work together.

[MysticStorm]

Apparently Stotic is one of those people who don't read all the replies before responding or else he would have read all the reasons that just shot clans down and such. Btw, I have my own clan but most are not on when I am. When someone else does happen to be on at the same time, it's only one or two other people which again, we use high amount of alts to conquer areas that require a whole band of people which still makes the afk picture changing majorly annoying and lagging. So either add something we already knew, but can't do nothing about or don't post at all.

[Squee]

Oh, my - such rage, young padawon.

What Stotic is saying is that if you don't have the people to do an area, don't go to that area. Find an easier one that you can manage on your own.

Sure, that makes training hard - very hard, in fact. Trust me, I know. And it also means you won't be going out to some of those ungodly, difficult areas.

I truly believe that's tough luck - wait for more people to log on (maybe even set a date and time) and then adventure there.

And if nobody else does log on, there is still a whole other realm to explore. Unfortunately, Nightmist is not limited to Chronos and the Dungeons.

(PS: I still have yet to say yea, or nay on this topic.)

[Perfection]

What Stotic is saying is that if you don't have the people to do an area, don't go to that area. Find an easier one that you can manage on your own.

Sure, that makes training hard - very hard, in fact. Trust me, I know. And it also means you won't be going out to some of those ungodly, difficult areas.

I truly believe that's tough luck - wait for more people to log on (maybe even set a date and time) and then adventure there.

And if nobody else does log on, there is still a whole other realm to explore. Unfortunately, Nightmist is not limited to Chronos and the Dungeons.

(PS: I still have yet to say yea, or nay on this topic.)

*shrugs* you think i don't know the game and game areas ? .. sorry i don't find killing the giant croc or spider queen so much fun.
alot of the game is made in the way where u either need a lot of alts or 12 - 13 other people would have to join you.
stotic himself will (or used to) use 8 or more characters also so i don't get the remarks on team work (i also don't find it fun to be in a party with 50 characters to kill a boss i can simple do on 8 and would give me a lot more fun doing so.
yes i have a lot of friends on nightmist and yes i have a strong enough clan to do basically what we want it does not mean they are always online , or will log on when i do just to come do what i want, point is a lot of people like to train and play this great game by themselfs, using dungeons and chrono's as examples is a joke anyway there are much tougher areas (gnome caves would be one, tirantek another)
in the end i don't see how it's helping alt users anyway, it would simply make things less annoying, also people that use alts don't care either way is just a matter of /afk . /dnd . but i think it looks a lot better when u can see ur characters picture, and others around you

I'm sure Gaddy didn't make this post so people could argue it is a nice suggestion that would make game play a little more fun for a large number of user (which nm is loseing a lot of) just a shame staff are looking at it in a totally different way.

Edited by Perfection, 26 November 2005 - 08:07 AM.

[combusta]

team work, hah that was a good one lol, no matter how many friends u have, no matter what clan ur in, your alone when it comes to exploring new areas, friends may help u w/ the earlier things, but thats it, after that your alone. Especially when Nm is losing popularity, less and less people are on, so who is left 2 team up with? this needs 2 be added, especially for those of us without amazing connections and dont live in england

and staff shouldnt think that if they dont add this people wont alt abuse, we still will

[Gaddy]

I REALLY do not see how placing the fact that it is good for those of us who use alts is a reason to put the idea down.
I mean damn, why should we have to deal with annoyances that are not needed at all just because we use several characters.
It's one thing to say that people should use fewer alts and give good reason for it. It's entirely different to say that a command/toggle shouldn't be implemented for the reason of it being helpful to people who use alts---it does not do anything that causes the party to be stronger; it simply eliminates a common annoyance.

= Still what I am saying.

[Snoopy]

To squee, sorry but i think the tuff luck approach is such a negative approach, if we all did things that way, all cranes work for the new area would have been a waste of time. As apart from the first few days there are only a few people up there now, and it is impossible to get to, let alone kill some of the higher end boss's without using a large amount of alts and teaming with some one else using a large amount of alts. The game has changed, I mean its possible to finish the dungeons with 2 people each using 4alts each, but it is not possible to complete tirentek with out crits numbering 20 or more.

All this new toggle will do is increase the aesthetics of the game allowing people to keep there pictures on without the risk of getting white screened and lagging out. You can simple /afk preventing the picture change, but this means the game looks dull, having a screen full of afk pictures is not really very interesting.

[Wolfgang]

1) If finding someone to form a party with is that big of a deal, you could always just work a time out with other players or clan members or whoever else is available.

2) I've been to Chronos in parties where everybody involved was on 1 alt. So if hitting up places like that is such a big deal, why not just try to work something out if you don't want to worry about lag?

3) I dunno. I just can't understand how it is that I've never had a problem with this, even though I've been logged onto 15 alts at one time while moving about the Swamps, while on a 56k Dial Up Modem, (which is pushing it. 16 was the most I could be on without getting booted), and not lag any more at all when one of my alts reached 5 minutes of inactivity. You know... especially when people who are most likely on some sort of high speed or broadband connection apparently suffer greatly due to 1 line of text and a few icon changes.

>_> Or maybe I'm misunderstanding something thats being said here?

And as to it being harder to beat bosses without having those rediculously strong parties, the solution is simple:
Find more people.

Edit: Oh. and:

team work, hah that was a good one lol, no matter how many friends u have, no matter what clan ur in, your alone when it comes to exploring new areas, friends may help u w/ the earlier things, but thats it, after that your alone.  Especially when Nm is losing popularity, less and less people are on, so who is left 2 team up with?  this needs 2 be added, especially for those of us without amazing connections and dont live in england

I have to dissagree. I'm in a small clan. We have 18 members, most of which are alts of mine. At our highest numbers, we had 32. Most of which was another person.

My friends list consists of like 5 people.

So did the other two people present.

We each got 3 of the people from our friends lists.

So. 3 people. Plus 3 people Plus 3 people. Plus 3 people.
Thats already twelve.
Then you get them to get like 3 people from their frinds lists or clans.
+3
+3
+3
is 21.

+3
+3
+3
Is 30.

+3
+3
+3
Is 39.

And its as simple as that.

You don't have to have amazing sources. You just have to know one or two people, who know one or two people, who know one or two people.

I honestly think its less an issue of "I can't", at this point, and more of an issue of "I won't" or "I don't want to".

Edited by Wolfgang, 06 December 2005 - 10:15 AM.

[MysticStorm]

Is it me or is people who are posting for the first time NOT reading all the replies to this thread before posting some none-sense thing? Wolfgang, read my responses to this thread and I'll have just shot down your theory of how it can be done. Last wednesday night for example. 8 users on when I was on. 3 were sitting at SGH talking about how drunk they had just gotten or what girl they had just banged. 2 weren't actually at their comp, and the rest were DND training on their own. No one from my clan was online nor was anyone from friend's list, which I have over 90 people on my friend's list so getting to know one or two people is not the problem.

[Wolfgang]

Actually, then, its really not shooting me down.

If you have an abundance of people on your friends list, it shouldnt be too hard for you to use this handy little command they have called /memo.

You know... the thing where you can leave messages for people and make plans for a time convenient for all.

Don't say you shot me down when you're still just being a lazy git.

[MysticStorm]

I know what a /memo is moron. But what's the sense of leaving a /memo to people on your friend's list knowing they will not be on at all when you are online? Dur! All my friend's on my list and my clan mates know when I can or can not play. Just so it happens, none of them can be on when I am on. I have tried.

Here is the reality of it... No one plays on just 1 crit unless they are running on a paci. Don't lie because you're full of it. So cry alt abuse all you want to, but if NM was meant to be a 1 alt thing, JLH would have left it as a 1 alt limited game and wouldn't have changed it. All we are asking for is just a tiny bit of help with the lag. Nothing major. I train my butt off to get my crits where they are. I don't go out buying arches or taking the lazy way of things. I don't sell crits for money like some players do. I train for my gold or my clan would not be where it is now.

You know, there are players in this game that work their butt off harder than anyone else in this game and not everyone takes for granted the fact that they can use multiple alts. I don't abuse the alt limitations by going around pk'ing lower crits as most do. I don't even pk unless I'm being jumped by the large amount of alt parties that run around just for pk'ing. Hense why I run on a large amount of alts because there are too many losers here that spoil the fun of the game for everyone else.

Btw Wolfgang.. I didn't say I was shooting you down. I said I shot your theory down. Huge difference.

Edited by MysticStorm, 07 December 2005 - 06:05 AM.

[Squee]

Here is the reality of it... No one plays on just 1 crit unless they are running on a paci. Don't lie because you're full of it.

I'm not quite sure how to respond to that one. At the risk of sounding proud, I'm going to assume my "reputation" preceeds me.

In my eyes, using alts is as lazy as "buying arches" (as you put it). Train each of your characters individually. I have. And though it is true that I am probably one of the weakest players in Nightmist, my labours were not fruitless.

It is damn difficult - nobody can deny that. I know first hand how difficult and frustrating it is to do it all by oneself. However, when I did get party invitations or people excepted mine, it was very much enjoyable. That was fun and I imagine it to be much more fun than switching through screens and pretending that you're working hard for your gold.

Lastly, on the actual topic, I have no real, solid opinion on it. I can see where people would enjoy this, and I also see Stotic's point. I only reply when posts irk me with their generalizations.

[EvilDognapot]

i think there should be a toggle that makes every new sentence a different color. that way, everyone in nightmist can be as smart as gaddy.

[MysticStorm]

Ok squee, you're like the only person that I know who only uses one alt lol. My apologies. However, for my reasoning for using more than one alt is because I don't have all the time in the world to just train one alt. I also have a clan of my own that I donate too so need the money. I've also been finding myself training other people's crits as well who can't be online for personal reasons so there are a lot of reasons why I train with more than one crit. Top reason.. tired of getting pk'ed by groups of multiple alts. My other alts do come in handy in that situation even though I may lose when I fight back.. at least I'm able to drop a crit or two and having bragging rights that my lower level alts took out arches hehehehe. Either way, still don't find it fair to knock this idea down just because of large alt usage. Using alts is what this game is about now or it would only be a 1 alt game.

[MessiahX]

Personally I love to just use one crit to train. Especially with druids and mages. That being said, Mystic is completely right about how hard it is to only use one. Anyone that can hit fairly decent and with all their stamina can usually pk me. Being out of stamina makes it all the more easier. Sorry to go off topic like this. I did support the suggestion in Gaddy's poll.