109 replies to this topic

[Lich]

I am not defending mself i am defending my right to do it. What you dont seem to get is that people will try and ban smoking just for the reasons i listed every day, Yet they dont seem to understand that by doing so you are actually taking away my right to choose. therefore forcing their beliefs wants and needs.


I have not dressed it up at i have simply stated facts that show banning it because it is bad for you is stupid. It my choice to do it, no one should have the right to take it away wether it is healthy for me or not. Ok you told us its bad, we know now shut up and leave us to our choice.

[Angelus]

And the people who have to sit in your smoke...what choice are you giving them? Cope with it or f off?

Cause then i like burning rubber, i know it's bad, but it's my choice, and if you inhale it because the fumes mix with the oxygen you're breathing..then tough luck.

Edited by Angelus, 16 August 2004 - 04:44 PM.

[Lich]

they have a no smoking section, if they dont want smoke they sit in it. That or you dont go in a place that you see people smoking in. Its that easy but you do not lock people in a smal glass gage andsay oh you smoke so you can sit here in this cage for people to look at.

Like someone else said ohhh look honey Smokers in their natural habitat.

[Angelus]

No, so instead people who don't smoke get placed in a special section. People can't go out anymore because they will stand in someone elses smoke the entire night, like things changed at the workplace (special sections for if you want to smoke). So will it change for pubs and the like. You living in the EU now will also see the changes.

Cause seriously, if you have the right to blow your stink ass smoke up in my face, i surelly have the right to smash yours...

[dognapot]

second hand smoke can be annoying, but doesn't pose any health risk aside from some allergic reactions. but seriously, if you're allergic to pollen you stay away from plant nurseries right? if you're allergic to smoke, you stay out of the smoking section also. anyways, lots of things can be annoying but you can't simply go around banning nuisances. smokers get a bad rap because it's considered a bad habit and you're doing good to discourage smoking by limiting smokers' access to places and taxing thier vice, but in all reality it's just plain inconsiderate.

[Angelus]

How can you say that, it's inconsiderate that they cant blow their crap in my face? But i can see where you're coming from, when i wanted to play soccer in a museum they wouldn't let me either.

How inconsiderate...

[Lady_Maha]

I hate drunk people too, and the smell of alcohol in my face when they breathe, so let's ban drinking from bars as well. Oops, wait, bars, drinking, smoking, all connected. If you don't like it, don't go there. I don't mind going to a different area when I am in a government place, or sitting in the smoking section in a restaurant, but I will be darned if I stop smoking in outdoor areas where what little bit of smoke doesn't get stuck in my lungs puffs away into the great wide open. After all you inhale car fumes walking through the city too and don't cry about that.

[Angelus]

I hate drunk people too, and the smell of alcohol in my face when they breathe, so let's ban drinking from bars as well.

Hmm thats funny, seeing as drunken people get banned from bars...

[JLH]

let's try and keep this to a civilized discussion, it's been good and informative up until now.

[Vodka]

I hate drunk people too, and the smell of alcohol in my face when they breathe, so let's ban drinking from bars as well.

Hmm thats funny, seeing as drunken people get banned from bars...

Eh, I'm not of age to even walk into bars here. When I was allowed to.. before most changed their age limit.. I never heard of this. That's news to me.

[newb]

It seems like the more you enjoy your life, the less of it you have to live.

Isn't it strange?

[two]

the more you have enjoyed your life, the more you have lived it

[Epic]

the more you have enjoyed your life, the more you have lived it

Well said

[Lich]

No, so instead people who don't smoke get placed in a special section. People can't go out anymore because they will stand in someone elses smoke the entire night, like things changed at the workplace (special sections for if you want to smoke). So will it change for pubs and the like. You living in the EU now will also see the changes.

Cause seriously, if you have the right to blow your stink ass smoke up in my face, i surelly have the right to smash yours...

Your right i am living in the Eu and thankfully germany already has a law that states exactly how far they are aloud to ban smokers, the bueatiful thing is it give the returant owners the right to choose if they want a smoking and non smoking, No smoking or smoking aloud, and that can never change.


Edit decided not to say it as its lowering myself to his lvl.

Edited by Lich, 16 August 2004 - 10:03 PM.

[dognapot]

How can you say that, it's inconsiderate that they cant blow their crap in my face? But i can see where you're coming from, when i wanted to play soccer in a museum they wouldn't let me either.

How inconsiderate...

what is inconsiderate is banning smoking because it annoys you. as i've said before, children annoy me severely. but i'd be rode out on a rail if tried to get my town to pass an anti-children law. that's just how it is, inconsiderate. you shouldn't have to have smoke blown in your face, but you should also realize that there are sections for smoking and not smoking and if you don't like where you're seated you can move. if there isn't any room where you want, you should have made reservations anyways. if you're in a bar, just deal with it, and if you're lucky you won't be puked on, or hit on by some big violent guy's girlfriend. you have to know what to expect from where you are going and if you're going to a place that allows smoking you should take that into consideration instead of going there to be pissed off.

it's true smokers haven't always been considerate of non-smokers but it does go both ways. i've been harrassed by non-smokers for smoking in the open air (not near any buildings or sites) and in smoking sections. hell, the person who made my towns anti-smoking law was inspired to do so because he told a waitress he didn't care where he sat and was put in the smoking section. when a smoker has obliged everyone enough to keep thier smoke in a designated area it's not going to do any good to be pissed off at the smoker who was considerate enough to be in a place that allows them to smoke. it's not comparable to playing soccer in a museum, it is very comparable to playing soccer on a soccer field then being told to take your game home. smokers have been told to take thier smoking home for reasons that equate to nothing more than it's being a nuisance to some.

[Matt]

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Edited by Matt, 17 August 2004 - 05:17 AM.

[two]

/t dognapot smart man

i was walking down the street yesterday, and so many people were inconsiderate.

i took a breath, and it was filler with car smoke. i asked the driver to please stop driving.

i took a breath, and it smelled of skunk. i asked the skunk to please stop spraying people.

i took a breath, and it smelled of sewage. i asked to people to please stop producing feces.

now, i can't believe these people put up an argument, but each of them obligied. needless to say, i am very glad i will have my three breaths untainted in the future. out of the 165,485 breathes i have per day, those speacial three will now be perfrect, utter harmony.

[Angelus]

what is inconsiderate is banning smoking because it annoys you. as i've said before, children annoy me severely. but i'd be rode out on a rail if tried to get my town to pass an anti-children law. that's just how it is, inconsiderate. you shouldn't have to have smoke blown in your face, but you should also realize that there are sections for smoking and not smoking and if you don't like where you're seated you can move. if there isn't any room where you want, you should have made reservations anyways. if you're in a bar, just deal with it, and if you're lucky you won't be puked on, or hit on by some big violent guy's girlfriend. you have to know what to expect from where you are going and if you're going to a place that allows smoking you should take that into consideration instead of going there to be pissed off.

it's true smokers haven't always been considerate of non-smokers but it does go both ways. i've been harrassed by non-smokers for smoking in the open air (not near any buildings or sites) and in smoking sections. hell, the person who made my towns anti-smoking law was inspired to do so because he told a waitress he didn't care where he sat and was put in the smoking section. when a smoker has obliged everyone enough to keep thier smoke in a designated area it's not going to do any good to be pissed off at the smoker who was considerate enough to be in a place that allows them to smoke. it's not comparable to playing soccer in a museum, it is very comparable to playing soccer on a soccer field then being told to take your game home. smokers have been told to take thier smoking home for reasons that equate to nothing more than it's being a nuisance to some.

As for the sections, smoke kinda moves through air. So just because there's car smoke which where i live isn't really a problem. Sitting in a small area with old people who still believe there's nothing wrong with inhaling smoke. I should breath it non-stop wherever i go? Thing is, you smoke because you like it right, not because you're addicted? Because an addiction is always bad, no matter what. So why can't you just go outside and smoke.

And Lich, stoop to my level? You mean the level the entire EU is on now. Cause in a few years from now you aren't allowed to smoke in pubs anymore. You can say all you want about how you think breathing smoke enriches your life but i like my air to stay air.

Thing still is, smokers are the ones doing something so they have to either stop or take it somewhere else. Can't ask me to stp seeing as im not doing anything.

/t Vodka when people get annoying in pubs and bother you because they're drunk they will be removed yea.

[Kreaper]

In public places no.
Where you are hurting no-one but yourself, (and others like you), if you're the kind of person who wants to, it's a great feeling.

i disagree with that. second hand smoke does not, in fact, kill people. it doesn't really hurt people unless they're allergic to smoke in which case you have to assume a certain amount of personal responsibility that isn't uncommon for any other allergy. if you're allergic to peanuts, you make sure your food doesn't have any of that, if you're allergic to smoke you make sure your diner doesn't have that either.

as a smoker, and as a smoker in a town where smoking is banned in public businesses, i'm very annoyed by the recent upsurge in antismoking laws. my cigarrettes are even taxed a quarter. people rationalize it all by saying "it's a bad habit and should be discouraged", but people shouldn't be treated unfairly because they smoke. it was my choice, i like it. however, just because someone is annoyed by smoke, doesn't grant them the right to ban smokers from thier sight. quite frankly, small children annoy the crap out of me, and i'd love to see small children banned from public business also. one damned kid talks louder than 40 adults in a restaurant. however, that's considered to be an unfair comparison, because kids don't cause cancer. well, neither does second-hand smoke.

thank you dining with us, children or non?

That is SOSOSO wrong second hand smoke KILLS. Read a book. Smoking kills, and theres nothing good about it. If ur stressed alot buy a hot tub It works! Oh and the first part bout the second hand smoking what yoou said is a bunch of BULLSH*T wake up. second hand smoke kills...The smoke that come off the tip of the cig has WORSE chemicals and more of em at the tip which there fore is going out to the public. Your really dumb! stupid n00b

Edited by Kreaper, 17 August 2004 - 12:56 PM.

[Angelus]

Smoking hurts many more people than just the smoker. Secondhand smoke is unfiltered, and so the carcinogen levels in second hand smoking can be up to 100 times higher than those inhaled directly through cigarettes.

Edited by Angelus, 17 August 2004 - 01:13 PM.

[dognapot]

Smoking hurts many more people than just the smoker. Secondhand smoke is unfiltered, and so the carcinogen levels in second hand smoking can be up to 100 times higher than those inhaled directly through cigarettes.

the hell is "man health"? i can't remember what country's structure of language translates into that garbage.

if you click on the link that i provided, you'd see the conclusions of a real study as aversed to an online pamphlet translated from euroslavia. second hand smoke can't kill you unless you smoke backwards. if you do actually smoke with the lit end in your mouth then chances are you need an adult.

[Lich]

Angelus you might want to check again, Germany has already stated that we have laws that forbid banning it in pubs, Holland may go to it but germany wont. It has already been voted done not oncebut three times.

[Angelus]

the hell is "man health"? i can't remember what country's structure of language translates into that garbage.

if you click on the link that i provided, you'd see the conclusions of a real study as aversed to an online pamphlet translated from euroslavia. second hand smoke can't kill you unless you smoke backwards. if you do actually smoke with the lit end in your mouth then chances are you need an adult.

Lmao, do a search on google, the study you have was from 1998, you dumbass. You know back in 1970 they still didnt see any harm in inhaling grey smoke.
You do know kids start smoking because of talk like that...i really couldnt care less if you liek to smoke yerself in the grave. But please dont be a selfish bish and say what you say to make it look right for yerself cause you're taking innocent children with you...

C'mon you haven't shown anything but you're own ignorance, say what you like i couldn't give a f every sensible person knows im right.

/t Lich you have 2 kids, say all you want about how it doesnt matter, just close you're eyes and your fine.

Edited by Angelus, 17 August 2004 - 08:46 PM.

[Lich]

your right i do Have two kids, and you know what i would rather have them smoke, and tell me about it then to have them doing much worse. I will also be alot more understanding about what they choose to do in their lives than most. better that then to have them worried about telling me about things, or to have them so stressed out because they cant tell me when they have a problem and wanting to end that in some more than stupid way.


I will ask nicely that you leave my daughters out of this or i will be forced to bring up what i know and what i think about your life and family.

[JLH]

keep it civilised, again

[Lich]

Points to the i asked nicly ...chuckles to JLH.

[Vër§íðñ 1.0]

I picked up my first cig in the 6thh grade. I was new at a school, and was hanging out with the "wrong" group of friends. One of my friends who lived down the street, invited me over for a game of basketball, when I got there there he was with a cig in his mouth. I had always been aginst cigs. He was a good friend, and told me that I didn't have to, but something inside me made me want to try one. After my first drag I loved it, my friend tought me how to inhale, and I completly loved it. I smoked around a pack a week. Then I moved to where Mark(exor) lives. Me and him got so bad, that we we're smoking 2 packs of cigs, and 3 packs of black and milds on 1 friday. That continued for about a year, that is when I was realy harshly into it. Now that i've moved from there, I'm in a new spot,and I prolly only smoke a pack a month. You can call me bad for smoking, can say i'm killing myself, well I'm going into the military, I am not scared of death.

Do I like the side effects no.

But I enjoy a long drag on a cig. Just leave me alone, I like to smoke is that such a bad thing?

[Pandilex]

There seems to be a lot of misinformation here.

[Da_J_Mooney]

I think that its the persons choice to 'kill themselves' if they want to. Like Version1 said.... He's goin into the Military he MITE die there.... he MITE die smoking.... BUT just cuz u smoke... does NOT mean that is the reason u will die. If you dont like people smoking in a certain area... leave, ask them politley to go sumwhere else... Ive been asked and when its nice enough ill move (b4 i quit)... my dad moves whenever people even look offended... now, people smoke cuz they want to... no one is forcing them... dont tell them its stupid... chances are they already know, but they dont care...

[Angelus]

I will ask nicely that you leave my daughters out of this or i will be forced to bring up what i know and what i think about your life and family.

First off, what you know? Lmao...riiight. You know nothing about me, time doesnt stand still here like it does where you live. And second, what you think of my family? Like i care...

I never meant to bring in your family, i just brought in kids as an example. You can smoke all you want, i couldn't care less, but talking it right through made up facts is just stupid. And then I will find the need to respond.