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[Achilles]

Can I see the numbers for this "you do a literal 10x more damage with a bar of beam"

If Devastate costs 2.5x as much as beam then again quoting your numbers that you would be able to have 4 and 1/2 rounds of devastate per bar, then you would get 11.25 rounds of beam per bar, which is definitely not 10x more damage.

in reality the 10x more damage was a big exaggeration.. you do around exactly double in a mana bar..


549(day's mana bar)-40 for aop=509

509/10(cost of beam)=51

70*51=3570

you will have to recast aop , but with mana regains it wont take but maybe one or two beams away...

now for devastate
549-40 for aop=509

509/23=22

84*22=1848

thus doing almost double damage...

edit: literal was a very poor choice of words for an exageration, but with the math that it is 20% more per hit and 2.5 the cost of mana it should be common knowledge it was an exaggeration

Edited by Achilles, 13 January 2009 - 11:35 AM.

[Cadabra]

100% unsupported.

Devastate was a prize and should stay a prize.

Why should the people who currently have a mage with Devastate in thier spell book worked hard to get it why should it then be able to be bought from a shop for a couple of mil?

[Achilles]

100% unsupported.

Devastate was a prize and should stay a prize.

Why should the people who currently have a mage with Devastate in thier spell book worked hard to get it why should it then be able to be bought from a shop for a couple of mil?

The prizes that were "won" were sold.. for around 50mill if i remember right .. im gonna go try to dig up exact numbers on old forum.. but guess what.. 50mill main is like 5mill 1alt... and with tokens systems after 35 the way it is id say 1alt gold is WAY more valuable now..

edit:couldnt look it up because the sales part of the old forum were removed.. correct me if im wrong though...

Edited by Achilles, 13 January 2009 - 12:16 PM.

[Achilles]

rats wis is very low compared to other monsters.. i used scorpions in dessert.. hedge minion you do about 80 and therefore would do about 96 with devastate...


Calculator: 51*80 = 4080


Calculator: 22*96 = 2112


almost double...


on a rat which it would be nearly pointless to use it on, considering shock kills it....

Calculator: 97*51 = 4947

Calculator: 117*22 = 2574


still, double..


edit:and yes it would be nice for someone with the scroll on main to help post the numbers.. thanks in advance if you do..but im pretty sure these "estimates" are right...

Edited by Achilles, 13 January 2009 - 12:10 PM.

[Crane]

Mage mana costs are different between multi-alt and 1-alt; it's not quite the same, but on multi-alt, I use Blast over Beam for general player vs. monster training because it is more cost-effective on lodestones in the long run.

[Cadabra]

100% unsupported.

Devastate was a prize and should stay a prize.

Why should the people who currently have a mage with Devastate in thier spell book worked hard to get it why should it then be able to be bought from a shop for a couple of mil?

Ok... i went over the entire thread again.

im 50/50 on the spell been added to 1alt.

Would it unbalalance things?

Why not make a boss that staff run an event for people to obtain the key like lag monster?
Set drop rate to 7% or so and run the event every 6 weeks.

Or..

Make it available to buy for 10 million gold in Tirentek.

[Achilles]

i think the first idea isnt bad, because id love to try to obtain the spell free, but i think its to powerful, just as cobalt is, to have it dropped at any drop rate... plus i think it would take a lot longer to gain 10mill for the spell rather than wait for this "quest" to drop it... considering lvling from 35-37 is 5.3mill on 1alt it would not be in game for a very long time.. unless someone decided to buy it at 35, which would, in my opinion, be a little bit on the slow side.. lol...

[Achilles]

Now with devastate, you do 1/5, or is it 5% more damage and the cost is 23 manda per usage.

if it were 5% i wouldnt bother lol.. i had a brain malfunction and typed the opposite of what i meant..

it is 1/5, also known as 20% lol...

Edited by Achilles, 13 January 2009 - 12:21 PM.

[Cadabra]

You say its 5.3 mil to get to lvl 35-37 but the gold saved obtaining the scroll from a boss you can only do every 6 weeks means the gold made whilst waiting for a chance at a drop will pay for the tokens required.


EDIT: Forgot to add. Make the boss in my suggestion Mage ONLY and give it Mayor HP.

Edited by Cadabra, 13 January 2009 - 12:39 PM.

[Achilles]

that would leave the gold in the economy.. i think paying the 10mill is the only way to go for this idea to work.. the economy on 1alt is under control with the token system the way it is.. actually it might be to "controlled"... anyways.. if the scroll were added as a drop of some kind whoever got the random would get a very large amount of money, instead of the server getting this gold and it vanishing of the face of the the nightmist earth... this way it wont be like main with everyone and there dog having numerous cobalts...

edit: i like the idea, just dont think it should be ran for something of this magnitude.. would love to see an event like this ran tho..

Edited by Achilles, 13 January 2009 - 12:45 PM.

[Cadabra]

At the drop rate i mentioned, you may not even get a single drop in a year. (8 kills in a year)

Anyways i dont want to argue over my suggestion but i would like to see if its liked or disliked.

Edited by Cadabra, 13 January 2009 - 12:48 PM.

[Achilles]

alright, but id like to say that id rather this topic be more about weather or not the scroll is put into the game period, not at how much/how... staff can decide that when the add it to the game

Edited by Achilles, 13 January 2009 - 12:55 PM.

[Dangerous]

I don't get how people who don't play 1-alt seem to be posting the most on this thread.. but anyways;

Supportedx100

[Cruxis]

Put a +2 int mod on cobalt so it'll be worth having on your mage and we'll call it a day.

And since staff if light is obviously harder than obtaining 10m, on the off chance anyone on 1a makes it, it should be fair, so make it +3 int

Edited by Cruxis, 14 January 2009 - 09:20 PM.

[Cadabra]

Put a +2 int mod on cobalt so it'll be worth having on your mage and we'll call it a day.

And since staff if light is obviously harder than obtaining 10m, on the off chance anyone on 1a makes it, it should be fair, so make it +3 int

The Topic isnt about Cobalts.

[Walt]

Anyway, I am not really for this.

I agree, not supported

[Achilles]

decided id rather have a cobalt anyways.. .. not that it woulda been added anyways..