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[EvilDognapot]

Staff say not to share

Staff also say not to use vulgar language... If you do, you're banned, that's your punishment

If you share, you run the risk of getting jacked. If you do, that's your punishment.

maybe i should explain it to you as if it's a dialogue between two puppets.

Oscar the otter: gee, i just don't get it, the JLH man says we shouldn't do something and tons of people do it anyways! don't they know it's not safe?

Socrates the Sock: well Oscar, you tell me, why would someone share, even though the wise JLH warns us all of the dangers?

Oscar the otter: well, i don't know maybe they're dumb?

Socrates the Sock: maybe you're dumb, try harder... why would they act so unwisely?

Oscar the otter: shucks, i'm stumped. um... maybe they've never been betrayed by someone they trust?

Socrates the Sock: so it would be not uncommon to infer that they're either lucky or young, correct?

Oscar the otter: i'm not sure i follow...

Socrates the Sock: man you are dumb. wouldn't it be more common amongst the young to have never been tricked by someone who seemed trustworthy?

Oscar the otter: i still think they're dumb.

Socrates the Sock: ah yes, but that is another trait of the young, is it not?

Oscar the otter: well yes, that's why we kids go to school, to be un-dumbed!

Socrates the Sock: so it's the young who are characterized by thier inexperience and naivete, true?

Oscar the otter: 'tis true.

Socrates the Sock: and you say that's why we teach them?

Oscar the otter: to give them knowledge and experience to handle life, teacher.

Socrates the Sock: ah yes you are correct glauco- err uh, Oscar. now would it be wise to expect them to never falter when they have no personal reason to believe they would?

Oscar the otter: well of course they would make mistakes, that's how we learn sometimes.

Socrates the Sock: so would it not be unwise to limit the amount that someone can hurt themselves and others when they make a mistake, if we can?

Oscar the otter: well if they're going to do it anyways, and it helps them learn, i suppose not.

Socrates the Sock: and if a community is almost entirely made up of the young people, wouldn't that make it more important to limit the damage they cause eachother?

Oscar the otter: i suppose so. why should the naive pay for the crimes of the unethical?

Socrates the Sock: and why should an entire community have to be bludgeoned by a parade idiocy whenever it happens?

Oscar the otter: i believe i see what you mean. you're saying that just as a community would accomadate sheltering a youth from others we should do what we can to protect the less wise from themselves until they are wise enough we need not bother. Socrates you are a genius!

Socrates the Sock: oh no, you are Oscar, i merely sifted for what you already knew to be true.

i'm sorry mooney that i couldn't provide you with actual puppets, but i hope you can imagine it yourself and make humorous voices for the characters. if your parents let you play with needles and threads you can do what i do when i'm suffering from a severe head injury need sock puppets to understand simple concepts. take a needle, some thread, two socks, and four old buttons and sew two buttons on each sock to resemble eyes. then draw or sew on any other facial features and you have two new friends ready to engage in hilarious yet educational shennanigans.

[AnArChY]

so u rather have ppl that run around stealing ppl shyt i see that makes total sense *sarcasticly*

[Oracle]

We would rather players were more sensible with what they do with their passwords when it is clearly stated repeatedly is a risk not worth taking.

[Lifeless Void]

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Don't account share unless you know the person irl, then you can kick their a$$ and get it back.

[Da_J_Mooney]

Oscar the otter: well of course they would make mistakes, that's how we learn sometimes.

If you share, thats YOUR mistake, meaning your fault, so you shouldn't be helped... Not many people keep sharing after they've been stolen from. I admit, I share, with my best friend irl tho. If he were to jack me, nothing would happen to our friendship in reality because this is JUST A GAME, as not many of you are seeing. Yeah, I'd be mad for maybe a week, but I'd get over it, no use crying over a game...It's not like you lost money, this game is free, you should have nothing to worry about.

I still think that thieves should be banned, this way it would get closer to stopping theft, but I don't support this idea. Staff shouldn't make sharing safer for you when they tell you not to do it.

[EvilDognapot]

yeah it's free if you don't think time has value... and it's "your" mistake if you don't piss and moan about it for anyone who has ears... but these are big if's. obviously very few people don't attach a value on time and effort, and very few people take thier losses lightly when the most prime targets are the overpumped cash-money-millionaires of nightmist.

now i see you share? and you think thieves should be banned? so you personally ignore the advice of the developers, support that thier rules be applied to everyone else, and that they studiously examine each theft and ban people when things go sour. woah! how do you roll crits? is it tough?

[Thunderja]

Staff say not to share

Staff also say not to use vulgar language... If you do, you're banned, that's your punishment

If you share, you run the risk of getting jacked. If you do, that's your punishment.

maybe i should explain it to you as if it's a dialogue between two puppets.

Oscar the otter: gee, i just don't get it, the JLH man says we shouldn't do something and tons of people do it anyways! don't they know it's not safe?

Socrates the Sock: well Oscar, you tell me, why would someone share, even though the wise JLH warns us all of the dangers?

Oscar the otter: well, i don't know maybe they're dumb?

Socrates the Sock: maybe you're dumb, try harder... why would they act so unwisely?

Oscar the otter: shucks, i'm stumped. um... maybe they've never been betrayed by someone they trust?

Socrates the Sock: so it would be not uncommon to infer that they're either lucky or young, correct?

Oscar the otter: i'm not sure i follow...

Socrates the Sock: man you are dumb. wouldn't it be more common amongst the young to have never been tricked by someone who seemed trustworthy?

Oscar the otter: i still think they're dumb.

Socrates the Sock: ah yes, but that is another trait of the young, is it not?

Oscar the otter: well yes, that's why we kids go to school, to be un-dumbed!

Socrates the Sock: so it's the young who are characterized by thier inexperience and naivete, true?

Oscar the otter: 'tis true.

Socrates the Sock: and you say that's why we teach them?

Oscar the otter: to give them knowledge and experience to handle life, teacher.

Socrates the Sock: ah yes you are correct glauco- err uh, Oscar. now would it be wise to expect them to never falter when they have no personal reason to believe they would?

Oscar the otter: well of course they would make mistakes, that's how we learn sometimes.

Socrates the Sock: so would it not be unwise to limit the amount that someone can hurt themselves and others when they make a mistake, if we can?

Oscar the otter: well if they're going to do it anyways, and it helps them learn, i suppose not.

Socrates the Sock: and if a community is almost entirely made up of the young people, wouldn't that make it more important to limit the damage they cause eachother?

Oscar the otter: i suppose so. why should the naive pay for the crimes of the unethical?

Socrates the Sock: and why should an entire community have to be bludgeoned by a parade idiocy whenever it happens?

Oscar the otter: i believe i see what you mean. you're saying that just as a community would accomadate sheltering a youth from others we should do what we can to protect the less wise from themselves until they are wise enough we need not bother. Socrates you are a genius!

Socrates the Sock: oh no, you are Oscar, i merely sifted for what you already knew to be true.

i'm sorry mooney that i couldn't provide you with actual puppets, but i hope you can imagine it yourself and make humorous voices for the characters. if your parents let you play with needles and threads you can do what i do when i'm suffering from a severe head injury need sock puppets to understand simple concepts. take a needle, some thread, two socks, and four old buttons and sew two buttons on each sock to resemble eyes. then draw or sew on any other facial features and you have two new friends ready to engage in hilarious yet educational shennanigans.

LMFAO, that was class

[the unknown]

You guys type a lot..

Deathwish          But that is why sharing isn't encouraged? It's just like sharing a bank account with your wife/husband whichever it may be. Both have access and it's a risk you have to take to share the benifits.

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[Lady_Maha]

I love the puppet idea, so let's do another puppet show, shall we?

Slinky the Stocking: Hello son, here's your allowance for the week. Remember to put it in your wallet and don't lose it.

Pipsqueak the Puppet: Thanks mom. Do you think Midget the Mitten and I can share a wallet? He's getting an allowance too.

Slinky the Stocking: I don't think that's a good idea Pipsqueak, he can have a wallet of his own. If you share your wallet with him, he might steal your allowance.

Pipsqueak the Puppet: I really trust him not to steal my allowance mom, but just to make sure, couldn't we glue my money into my wallet with a glue that only I can remove, and his money with glue that only he can remove?

Slinky the Stocking: Pipsqueak, it would make much more sense if you each had your own wallet. You can never be sure that Midget might not use your money to buy things, and in the end nobody will be able to tell which of you had how much money in the wallet.

Pipsqueak the Puppet: I guess you have a point mom. I just won't share my allowance with anyone, that way I know it's safe.

Surely if a 6 year old can understand that sharing your wallet can cause you to lose your allowance, a NM player can understand the same applies to their account?

Edited by Lady_Maha, 21 December 2004 - 11:32 AM.

[EvilDognapot]

maha, remember that episode of the simpsons where bart, milhouse, and martin pooled thier allowances to get radioactive man #1? well the comic was destroyed because the boys couldn't share. taught us all a lesson. i think that's probably more of an apt analogy than glue and wallets, because people share to fill a purpose which is combining efforts. so it would defend us all from unwelcome public drama if sharing were curbed (now i'm talking about my old suggestion here), i'm talking about sharing for definite amounts of time, no rolling, or modifying the account. this limits the amount that can be done at one time with sharing and forces potential sharing agreements to more clearly defined before a new account is created. i believe that would, in addition to securing crits, would cut down on purposeless sharing where a few people get together to put all thier stuff in one spot and laugh at how much it is. if two people want to train some crits and create a secured account, they know beforehand that the crits they train are going back to where they came from in XXX days, and would make arrangements to deal with that beforehand. i think that's a good thing; i'm in a small camp with this one apparently.

[Lifeless Void]

LoL at puppet show and the talk show thing, greatness man greatness

[Lady_Maha]

I don't watch the Simpsons.

I see where you are coming from, I just don't see any sense in the suggestion. Say two people pool certain crits of theirs in a mutual account for a set amount of time, then the crits go back to the original account once done, who in their right mind would bother training the other person's crits, knowing they put a lot of work into that other person's account in the end. What about gold made in that time? People would always fight about who made what amount, what was bought with it and now belongs to whom.

All this trouble can be avoided by simply not sharing. If someone is such a good friend and you each can't go to certain places alone because of a lack of own crits, why not do the unthinkable and instead of logging on your friend's crits you each log on your own and go together and split the winnings?

[Redheart]

Or instead of sharing the entire account.........and risk losing all
Why not just share 1 or 2 at a time?

[EvilDognapot]

welll maha, that's sort of another reason why i think the time limit of my original suggestion would make the difference. i don't think alot of folks who share really consider who's who's how to deal with the rewards they've worked for all that much. however, in a shared account where crits are already decidedly one person or another's, they can't be made in the account, or added, the time limit forces each player to think about what to do with the rest even before they create a shared account. a secured account is much less about sharing and more about encouraging contractual agreements before pooling resources, all the while, limiting what damage can be done.

and shame on you for not watching the simpsons.

[lowmion]

love the puppet theme, -congrats-, lol

[Wind]

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I this is a good idea