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[Bahashabeem]

Aquinas cast a spell on himself.
You rapidly fired at Tourmaline with your Elven Long Bow for 111 points of damage.
You rapidly fired at Tourmaline with your Elven Long Bow for 129 points of damage.
You rapidly fired at Tourmaline with your Elven Long Bow for 76 points of damage.
You rapidly fired at Tourmaline with your Elven Long Bow for 131 points of damage.
You rapidly fired at Tourmaline with your Elven Long Bow for 109 points of damage.
You killed Tourmaline
You got 121 gold pieces.
Tourmaline fell to the floor, his injuries getting the better of him.

( Grand total of = 556)


O Sorry I didn't mention that I had granite amulet and gloves of virtue on. O and also there was an enhance and even a RF'in behind it all.............. thats total bull nutz......

Had to Edit: Sorry It only took like 15 or so tries to accomplish this feat

Edited by Bahashabeem, 07 January 2005 - 05:53 AM.

[Ryuku]

lmao, and how many tries does it take a zerker to round a ranger? o.o

[joanna]

Zerkers aint that tough... spelled up fighters, rangers and pallies can hit for 550+ easily if they dont miss (and thats without BoT's, str mods, ect)... remember the zerker has NO armour and gets the full damage every time, unlike spelled up clerics/mages/druids that can get hit by a full zerker and still only lose 50hp

And if you dont manage to round someone, remember other classes you can just neck a couple of pots and be healthy again... zerkers need to quaff FIVE of the beasties (or use up a full cleric's worth of stamina)

[Malavon]

So it takes the two best str spells (so basically you need 2 characters to take out one zerker), 2 expensive items worth a fair amount of gold, a powerful attack and 15 rounds before you finally get lucky enough to take out a zerker... that's not right. The lack of armour can ONLY be called a disadvantage if it is actually one! Surviving that many attacks from an arch (i assume its an arch ranger?) spelled up and with the best str it is possible of getting is definately not a disadvantage. Add that to the fact that you require two characters (cleric to cast buffs) just makes it even more of a joke.

nobody can say zerkers are balanced, unless they are biased. But having said that, nothing will change because that would upset all these immature cry babies who use zerkers and make posts about how they "pwnt" someone.

[Exodia]

did neone ever say zerks cant be rounded?

[Bahashabeem]

Nope but its the point that matters. O and to finish the conclusion. My ranger has 101 armor and 312 hp. Now with the zerker being spelled up. Well he took me down like i said to real low hp and missed 3 shots. I mean all his hist were 90 plus. So he hrtu me bad with not even a mere full round. Un enhanced the chance of a ranger rounding a zerker impossible. Yet the zerker un enhanced still has a great chance. Damn anke peopel anyway.

[Rappy_Ninja]

this is some rounds off a zerker on a ranger with 90 ac and 290 hp

Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 57 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 43 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 75 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade, but missed.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 79 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade, but missed.

36 hp left


Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade, but missed.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 89 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 43 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 89 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 56 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 81 points of damage. Killing you.

rounded obviously

Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade, but missed.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 75 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 44 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 89 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade, but missed.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade, but missed.

82 hp left

Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 76 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade, but missed.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 68 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade, but missed.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 77 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 90 points of damage. Killing you.

another rounded

Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade, but missed.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 58 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 69 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 62 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade, but missed.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade, but missed.

101 left


rounds on a cleric with 92 armor dwarf 328 hp

You berserked at Punisher with your Rose Blade for 59 points of damage.
You berserked at Punisher with your Rose Blade for 48 points of damage.
You berserked at Punisher with your Rose Blade for 74 points of damage.
You berserked at Punisher with your Rose Blade for 56 points of damage.
You missed Punisher.
You berserked at Punisher with your Rose Blade for 63 points of damage.

26 left

Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 55 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 89 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 61 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 65 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade for 52 points of damage.
Abj berserked at you from her Rose Blade, but missed.

7 left

You berserked at Punisher with your Rose Blade for 91 points of damage.
You berserked at Punisher with your Rose Blade for 48 points of damage.
You missed Punisher.
You berserked at Punisher with your Rose Blade for 68 points of damage.
You berserked at Punisher with your Rose Blade for 49 points of damage.
You berserked at Punisher with your Rose Blade for 60 points of damage.

9 left


now let me post some spelled ranger rounds still on 92 ac cleric


You rapidly fired at Punisher with your Elven Long Bow for 41 points of damage.
You rapidly fired at Punisher with your Elven Long Bow for 48 points of damage.
You missed Punisher.
You missed Punisher.
You missed Punisher.

239 left

You rapidly fired at Punisher with your Elven Long Bow for 67 points of damage.
You missed Punisher.
You rapidly fired at Punisher with your Elven Long Bow for 41 points of damage.
You missed Punisher.
You rapidly fired at Punisher with your Elven Long Bow for 73 points of damage.

147 left

You missed Punisher.
You missed Punisher.
You missed Punisher.
You rapidly fired at Punisher with your Elven Long Bow for 56 points of damage.
You rapidly fired at Punisher with your Elven Long Bow for 76 points of damage.

196 left

Rappy_Ninja_Is_kool rapidly fired at you from her Elven Long Bow for 72 points of damage.
Rappy_Ninja_Is_kool rapidly fired at you from her Elven Long Bow, but missed.
Rappy_Ninja_Is_kool rapidly fired at you from her Elven Long Bow for 80 points of damage.
Rappy_Ninja_Is_kool rapidly fired at you from her Elven Long Bow for 71 points of damage.
Rappy_Ninja_Is_kool rapidly fired at you from her Elven Long Bow for 43 points of damage.

100 left

this is 18 str 21 dex ranger

now as you can see the ranger even if it 4/5 or 5/5s hits nowhere near the zerker does and the zerker hits more often too at that when spelled

its QUITE obvious zerkers sure may get damaged for 100-120 very easily in a rapid fire however they rarely get rounded but dish out and do far more damage then a ranger could ever dream of doing

this is with rb on a 19 dexie zerker (helf or human) and THATS how often they hit I didnt just post best rounds they seriously always hit htat often

Edited by Rappy_Ninja, 07 January 2005 - 05:40 PM.

[Exilus]

OK you people have to think a bit realistic here, Look at the weapon doing the dmg... If I was to shoot you from a distance with an enchanted bow, its the arrow hitting you that will do the dmg, proven fact if you are hurried no matter how much space you have you will miss alot more or you will hit in ways that just will not stop an opponent quickly...

The zerker is using a close in Melee weapon, he is going to do more DMg because at most h is three feet away andhe is out right brutalizing you...

The unrealistic part of NM we are in a square not a field where you have to run to your target but that has to be ignored as that is the setup of the game... The zerker gets more alot more HP becuase he is meant to be a fighter with no armor on... We can discuss this untill armagedon, but it wont be changed just because of the reasons above, Sorry but a big burley zerker is always going to dish out more DMg from two feet away than a ranger...

[Rappy_Ninja]

The zerker is using a close in Melee weapon, he is going to do more DMg because at most h is three feet away andhe is out right brutalizing you...

well actually its a SHE


but tbh my point is zerkers simply dominate

[Exilus]

I agree rappy, But there is no reason to change that, They dontdominate that much, They can be beaten by both a fighter with full armor and a self spelled mage... As you proved they can also be beaten by rangers rember when we dualed I was using three close in melle fighters(when i say fighters i mean Fighter and zerker) and you were using rangers.. You knew how to use your crits i knew how to use mine and we had an excelent dual..

But in the end your rangers still managed to hold out against me and beat me in the last round.. alot of the complaining isonly because people arent good using the crits they have and you know that as well as I.


Edit forgot something

Edited by Exilus, 07 January 2005 - 05:50 PM.

[Consumed]

OK you people have to think a bit realistic here...

its a game...not realistic...

[Exilus]

But the thinking in creating the crits was, Pandilexs own words... when he created zerkers and when he creates every class so far, Show me anything in Real life where this or this existed for this type of crit, that is realism, therefore you have to think realistically just a little bit.

[Lady_Maha]

Zerkers don't dominate. I remember being in the triplex on my ranger, wearing sgs and AoH, partied up against two zerkers and a mage. Neither of of the zerkers did even a decent amount of damage in several rounds. It took the mage to kill my ranger.

And no, I did not even hypno the zerkers, and no, I wasn't spelled up.

[dec]

my arch fighter with 20 str often rounds zerkers

[Rappy_Ninja]

Zerkers don't dominate. I remember being in the triplex on my ranger, wearing sgs and AoH, partied up against two zerkers and a mage. Neither of of the zerkers did even a decent amount of damage in several rounds. It took the mage to kill my ranger.

And no, I did not even hypno the zerkers, and no, I wasn't spelled up.

duh maha this whole topic is about them being spelled vs other classes

[Rappy_Ninja]

my arch fighter with 20 str often rounds zerkers

which also has a bot

[Exilus]

I was one of the two zerkers rappy and we were spelled against her, she wasn't spelled.

[Rappy_Ninja]

I was one of the two zerkers rappy and we were spelled against her, she wasn't spelled.

crummy rounds and her being lucky because I know no matter what kind of zerk I use horc dwarf esp human and helf I get at least 4/6 out of stam spelled pvp

[Exilus]

Dude her ranger has a 23 dex with all its equip.. But your right by the way That round we werent spelled, maha just smacked me to remind me, I was using jag pots, at best. it was a while ago ..


But either way they are balenced its not a problem with the crits, its a problem with the operators...


I Have rangers but im not good on them, I have a mage But im not good on it... Anyone who knows the crits will destroy people, I have seen Epic wipe out mageswith fighters, I have seen you destroy strong tank teams with your rangers, and i myself have wiped out druids rangers together and countless theives, with my fightersand zerkers, its all how you use them, I don't think zerkers are over powered i think Thieves and fighters are a bit underpowered.

Edited by Exilus, 07 January 2005 - 09:17 PM.

[Ryuku]

Zerkers should take more damage

[joanna]

This discussion is very similar to that when everyone was moaning coz unspelled rangers could round anything....... only this time is spelled zerkers

Anyway... logging on a cleric a ranger and a couple of zerks (all arch) i spelled up my ranger and tried him out.. First round...

You rapidly fired at Rachaelsbane with your Elven Long Bow for 105 points of damage.
You rapidly fired at Rachaelsbane with your Elven Long Bow for 72 points of damage.
You rapidly fired at Rachaelsbane with your Elven Long Bow for 117 points of damage.
You rapidly fired at Rachaelsbane with your Elven Long Bow for 127 points of damage.
You rapidly fired at Rachaelsbane with your Elven Long Bow for 128 points of damage.
You killed Rachaelsbane

549 damage.....

Edited by joanna, 08 January 2005 - 12:40 AM.

[Exodia]

my rangers round the shiz out of zerks, are my rangers special? maybe mentally retarded rangers do better... RETARD RAGE! RAWRRR

[Da_J_Mooney]

this is 18 str 21 dex ranger

Notice how most zerkers have 21-22 str? That's a 3-4 str bonus to the zerks and zerkers are meant to hit harder then other classes.


Library info for Enchanted Bow: Base damage: 21
Library info for Elven Long Bow: Base damage: 22


Library info for Halberd: Base damage: 25
Library info for Rose Blade: Base damage: 25
Library info for Adamant Warhammer: Base damage: 26
Library info for Blade of Time: Base damage: 29

Those are the weapons I see most arch rangers and arch zerkers using. Zerks have AT LEAST 3 more base damage than rangers, it even goes all the way up to 7 more. You may say that these small things won't affect a zerker much, but 3-4 extra str, 3-7 extra base damage, and with zerkers made to hit harder, it's GOING to make a difference.

nobody can say zerkers are balanced, unless they are biased.

I think it's the other way around... Notice how everyone saying that zerkers are overpowered is because they are killed by them. I don't think you would have even thought about saying they were overpowered if you weren't killed by them all the time, you're just fed up and you want an excuse to make them weaker so you don't die.

[Dan]

Delete

It rounds everything

[Lady_Maha]

Zerkers don't dominate. I remember being in the triplex on my ranger, wearing sgs and AoH, partied up against two zerkers and a mage. Neither of of the zerkers did even a decent amount of damage in several rounds. It took the mage to kill my ranger.

And no, I did not even hypno the zerkers, and no, I wasn't spelled up.

duh maha this whole topic is about them being spelled vs other classes

You prove my point even more. My ranger wasn't spelled and still stood fine against two zerkers.

Fact is that you shouldn't compare any spelled class against a non spelled class. A spelled up ranger can round a non spelled zerker, a spelled zerker might round a non spelled ranger.

Either compare both classes spelled up, or both without spells, simple as that.

Edited by Lady_Maha, 09 January 2005 - 05:36 PM.

[Rappy_Ninja]

but 3-4 extra str, 3-7 extra base damage, and with zerkers made to hit harder, it's GOING to make a difference.

nobody can say zerkers are balanced, unless they are biased.

I think it's the other way around... Notice how everyone saying that zerkers are overpowered is because they are killed by them. I don't think you would have even thought about saying they were overpowered if you weren't killed by them all the time, you're just fed up and you want an excuse to make them weaker so you don't die.

Race/Class: Female Half-Elf Berserker. Str: 18, Int: 20, Dex: 19, Con: 19, Wis: 16, Chr: 13, Lev: 30, Exp: 306,619,687, HP: 479, MP: 0, Stm: 6.



18 str and you were saying ?

25 base
elven = 22
rb = 25

in all the rounds I listed the zerker is doing 2x the dmg of a ranger 3 base does make a noticeable ammount of diffrence but not 90 points diffrence

so my point is both have 18 str but only 3 bd diffrence this is the perfect way to compare or shall I switch to a pike to round crits with ?

Edited by Rappy_Ninja, 09 January 2005 - 05:39 PM.

[Consumed]

Stratavarious berserked at you from his Blade of Time for 97 points of damage.
Stratavarious berserked at you from his Blade of Time for 111 points of damage.
Stratavarious berserked at you from his Blade of Time for 95 points of damage.
Stratavarious berserked at you from his Blade of Time for 73 points of damage. Killing you.
=376 (4 outa 6 stam)...


first and only round


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325 hp cleric... woulda rounded ne cleric with that armor with that round

[Consumed]

Madmax killed you!


o clicked again... guess what by a zerker...

[Tom]

try putting some spells on

[Consumed]

i got hit on purpose 2nd time lol... doin experiments with darkprophet now...


You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 88 points of damage.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 73 points of damage.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 55 points of damage.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 92 points of damage.
You missed Consumed.
You missed Consumed.

You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 77 points of damage.
You missed Consumed.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 80 points of damage.
You missed Consumed.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 61 points of damage.
You missed Consumed.

those two unspelled...

just enhance...

You missed Consumed.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 87 points of damage.
You missed Consumed.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 98 points of damage.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 82 points of damage.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 80 points of damage.
You killed Consumed
You got 0 gold pieces.

You missed Consumed.
You missed Consumed.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 90 points of damage.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 88 points of damage.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 95 points of damage.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 90 points of damage.
You killed Consumed
You got 0 gold pieces.

with hance and rf...

You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 78 points of damage.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 59 points of damage.
You missed Consumed.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 104 points of damage.
You missed Consumed.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 98 points of damage.
You killed Consumed
You got 0 gold pieces.

You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 72 points of damage.
You missed Consumed.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 114 points of damage.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 66 points of damage.
You berserked at Consumed with your Blade of Time for 78 points of damage.
You killed Consumed
You got 0 gold pieces


zerks arnt overpowered... spelled zerks are...