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[Dekade]

Ok after posting about how tokens should be changed and throwing ideas together. Walt came up with this:

"The token system may be tweaked if staff thinks it is approproate. One idea could be like this, since several have said it's not hard to get 8-10 people together, but the problem seems to be getting them all on the same class.


Here is what I am thinking. Make on token boss suitable for a max of 8-10 characters. Give this token boss a combination of all the other coli bosses atributes. Make it so all classes can go into this one coli boss for a general token that is accepted by all of the Tirantek Guilds. Also, make it more exspensive then the regular coli token bosses. I would say double the regular cost.

The reason I say double the cost at least, is the regular tokens would still be in play, but if you want to gather up your best chars of all classes, then a price should be on it. It gives everyone a fair shot at leveling then, but if it is easier to do it with 2 mages, 4 thieves, and 3 druids, and a cleric, cost should be more.

You can say this idea sucks or agree with it, but imo, having a token boss that is easy enough for only 5-6 to do is kind of rediculous for those who have had to fight it with a great party.

And I only voted no because "I'm in Pande." "

[Tietsu]

All classes should be able to go into any token boss. I'm not saying Walt's idea is bad, just my opinion on how it should work. Pande uses majorly thieves as their main, which makes Gristle runs easier. DA has majorly spell casters as their mains (or use to). We've had problems getting Gristle tokens, because no one uses thieves in the clan except a select few. In which case, we've never had gristle tokens needed, only people who are not red and can't level. I was once one of the people that said things needed to change, but I am a level 33 Druids, along with my counter-part Silfver_Ek. It was really hard, but we were able to accomplish it. So now I'm not so sure things should change, but I could be swallowing my words, being as -some- people from 1 ALT will be leaving to go back to Main and will shrinken the 1 ALT playerbase, so it's best to think of the future.


Point is, people are being left out. Few spellcasters in Pande make it hard for them to do Demi. Few thieves in DA make it hard to do Gristle. Something deffinately needs to be done, atleast temporarily.

[Dekade]

All classes should be able to go into any token boss. I'm not saying Walt's idea is bad, just my opinion on how it should work. Pande uses majorly thieves as their main, which makes Gristle runs easier. DA has majorly spell casters as their mains (or use to). We've had problems getting Gristle tokens, because no one uses thieves in the clan except a select few. In which case, we've never had gristle tokens needed, only people who are not red and can't level. I was once one of the people that said things needed to change, but I am a level 33 Druids, along with my counter-part Silfver_Ek. It was really hard, but we were able to accomplish it. So now I'm not so sure things should change, but I could be swallowing my words, being as -some- people from 1 ALT will be leaving to go back to Main and will shrinken the 1 ALT playerbase, so it's best to think of the future.


Point is, people are being left out. Few spellcasters in Pande make it hard for them to do Demi. Few thieves in DA make it hard to do Gristle. Something deffinately needs to be done, atleast temporarily.

Don't forget about Legendary!

[Tietsu]

In my knowledge, Legendary has never once in it's long run ever, ever, ever needed a token.

[Dekade]

In my knowledge, Legendary has never once in it's long run ever, ever, ever needed a token.

Not yet but some are getting close

[Tietsu]

In my knowledge, Legendary has never once in it's long run ever, ever, ever needed a token.

Not yet but some are getting close

lol

[Ryan]

think they need one gristle token... and will need some demi tokens.. we could help em with demi ez.. and would do that because we are the nicer if the "lete" clans... but with gristle they would be pretty much sol.. lol

[Dangerous]

A pande member or two that i know of would also help, i'll not mention any names incase that gets them booted, im not sure how walt feels about helping other people but from experience i know he likes mooseing up token runs.

Edited by Dangerous, 06 January 2009 - 01:54 AM.

[Walt]

A pande member or two that i know of would also help, i'll not mention any names incase that gets them booted, im not sure how walt feels about helping other people but from experience i know he likes mooseing up token runs.

It was one token run, not runs as you put it, and if you keep reminding me it ca be done, it will be multiple

[Cadabra]

Reduce healing on the bosses and put the cost up.

[Tietsu]

What is it with bringing the cost up? It shouldn't heal so much -anyway-. I would also like to note, with pots healing for less, the cost is aready up.

Edited by Tietsu, 06 January 2009 - 03:50 AM.

[Dekade]

Wouldn't hurt for the people to vote to put why or why they don't support it.

[Cadabra]

Oh and i voted "I play main so i shouldn't vote".

[speedy]

go ahead and double it id only delete hotsauce and prolly only lvl behold to 31 just to pk your dumbasses da appears to be willing to help us with demi tokens if we help them but meh everyone is selfish so forget it i dunno why i posted this maybe cuz im in alot of pain anjd feel like bieng a docuhe thing what u want double the cost and hotsauce gets deleted so do what u will i may even quit but thats your opion do with mine as you will <3 speedy

[Payne]

Doubling the prices up to lvl 35 isnt a bad idea but past that it would be a little overdoing it. If i am correct it costs 6 tokens +2m to lvl to 36? so 1.2m in tokens and 2m? This isnt helping the whole token system its making it wost 3.2m to gain one lvl? ya right. Not to mention the Pots

[speedy]

rob im sorry for this as your a friend but have u lvled a crit 1-35 yet? i got hotsauce to 34 i only stopped for 2 reasons i cant afford to hit 35 yets and its a human but stilli invested almost 600k for tokens and pots now its steep u can basically lvl from 31-25 on main for free and its east as hell to make 1 mil to lvl from 25-26 but meh do what u will witht his staff its in your hands i said my 2 sense and im dont not gonna jeperdize any friendships over this malarky as gareth would put it <3 speedy

[Payne]

i think i stopped at like 33 but i dont know man gold making feels easy if you got the time i had enough gold to lvl and dem some by just clicking snakes remember lol.

[Walt]

Seems you all are missing something. The regular coli bosses would still give their tokens. Demi/Gristle/Guruk, would all still be able to be obtained for the regular gold.

People are saying it is tough for some to go and get certain tokens, because not everyone has enough of one class to get it. They also say that They have no problem getting together 8-10 people on a regular bases.

The double cost would come if a "Generic" token boss is implemented. The ussual coli bosses would still remain 100k.

Everyone step back, breeth deep, and calm down. It is a suggestion, and when is the last time 1A got anything new done.

[Oracle]

I voted no.

I think at the moment, with co-operation, the bosses are killable. A group of active players have told me they think even the cleric boss is killable if you've got the time for it. We killed the fighter boss 5 times the other night also, and look how few fighters there are available.

If the playerbase decreases with the changes on multi, then obviously this would need considering then. It's not a bad idea to have in mind though for the future.

Side thought: If anything, you could argue pandi has a disadvantage. They dominate 1 boss, but then they have restricted access to other bosses by them being so monoclassically dominating lol

[Payne]

Fighter boss does not heal. cleric boss does not heal they can be done with small groups. Gristle and Demi heal so u gotta have a big group. Try to take on those bosses with less than 9 (and not in pande)<-- Adding that in so we dont have to hear "Well we did it with 6-7 35+ thieves". Im not trying to start anything but your reasoning why u voted no is biased on non healing bosses that small group of people can do. I bet you if your fighter boss healed you would have a much harder time trying to kill it.

[Ascer]

Supported =p

[Tietsu]

I guess I'm fine with Pande dominating on thieves and Caster's dominating in DA. Wes basically said what I did, but looking back, do you know how we get tokens for Demi? I have 5 Casters in my accont that I have to loan out to get it done. I mean, seriously, should I have to have 5 casters in my account to level up one Druid/Mage? I worked really hard to get what I have, and by making it easier, I won't care about the effort I put in the past as Walt said. -I- can get tokens. Others can't if I refuse to loan out my account to get it done.

[Dekade]

Seems speedy didn't read that well . But yes.

The regular token bosses will still be here for 100k, he just saying add another one that has a Generic token that anything can go into and double the price.

And the only reason this was brought up is if the playerbase goes down from main becoming pk (Wes )

[Gaddy]

I could see a generic token boss that costs well more than the normal token bosses.
I would have to say more than double though.

That would still require players to team up on the boss, which would probably be harder than the others, and it would make leveling more feasable for rare classes, which should be encouraged.


However, this would only make sense if players are really putting in full effort to the current bosses.
ie- Are players taking Nightshade Elixirs and the sort to bosses?

[deadman]

As far as I can remember no one has brought nightshades or anything of the sort to a coli boss. I think things are pretty fine the way they are, maybe if the numbers decrease when people return to main would a change be needed. In response to Alec, you share so yeah I'm sure you'd have multiple spellcasters in that account as that is what you and Grahn like using. Should you have to.. no not really, but if you want demi done co-operation and teamwork is going to be necessary so loaning them out should be done. When we did fighter boss for Wes anyone who didn't have a fighter got loaned one. You have to do what you have to do to get it done. A change really isn't needed. And the less ignorant people are the more of a chance people are going to help them when they need it. I am not shy to say there is some non Pande I'd help get tokens for if they asked.

[Dangerous]

The only thing that needs to change is Pande's attitude towards other clans.. these token bosses do require a number of people to kill and since DA and Pande are the 2 most active clans at the moment i'd like to think some co-op would be encouraged to help each other... but i figure some members in pande have other ideas... that imo is the only thing that needs to change.

[Tietsu]

In all of pande, Walt is the 1 and only person I would not help get tokens. Everyone else I'd enjoy, even Tony/Speedy/Manda/JC/Jake. I could go on and on, so there's no real big deal on me turning anyone down.

EDIT: I take half of that back. I would be willing to help anyone who is willing to help me, even Walt I guess.

EDIT #2: If everyone had the mindset of edit #1, there would be absolutely no need to change tokens. It's not the staff's fault for not changing tokens, it's the playerbase's fault for not helping each other. Enemy clans or not, the world should keep leveling, this would make it more challenging for both clans to fight higher levels, instead of hoarding their help and mooseing the players who can level over.

Edited by Tietsu, 06 January 2009 - 07:48 PM.

[Cadabra]

If you take shades to a coli boss you may aswell just double the price.