23 replies to this topic

[Prophet]

Heres the idea, that in memoes a function be added so that you can offer trades via memoes, e.g. if someone owns a crit that I want to buy but the eventuality is that he is never on at the same time as I am because of time zones or is really hard to get hold off, then I would be able to memo him a trade offer and from there he could choose to accept.

I don't think it would be too hard to code, and would mean that ppl in different time zones can trade with each other easily.

It's just an idea!

[Da_J_Mooney]

I support it, as long as you get a memo saying "Crit1 accepted your trade: Crit2 for your Crit3." So you don't log on and think someone stole a crit or something.

[Scripto]

supported

[alone]

How do you prevent someone messing up the crit after offering the memo trade?
You may be expecting it with full eq, and get it naked, majorly under exp. You'll say you could check the exp before the trade, but then, you don't listen to the whole 'don't share' thing, so why would you listen to that?

I'm afraid I'm against it.

Worse comes to worse, ask a staff member for some help. It is their job, and if they're not willing to help, then they're lame-asses.

[Sneaky]

Well said alone.

[Wind]

i dunno but i supported it!

[Da_J_Mooney]

/trade Crit1, Eq1, Eq2, Eq3... etc

If you want to make sure its not naked, trade for the crit and the eqs you want.

I'm not too sure how to fix the EXP thing though

[Consumed]

i support... dont have to use it if u dont want to....+ like above u could ad equips seperate in trade...and if u didnt it would be your own fault...

[Sean]

Supportified!?!?!?!??

[alone]

/trade Crit1, Eq1, Eq2, Eq3... etc

If you want to make sure its not naked, trade for the crit and the eqs you want.

I'm not too sure how to fix the EXP thing though

Smart man

Only things I can think of for the exp, is an addition such as 263,000,000exp+ (meaning the trade voids if the crit falls below 263mill exp).
OR; locking down the crit (unable to be played till trade's done)- But then people could purposefully not cancel or accept the trade.

So, I dunno basicly, cus I can't see JLH doing the first. I'll stick to my, get staff to help.

[Pandilex]

How do you prevent someone messing up the crit after offering the memo trade?
You may be expecting it with full eq, and get it naked, majorly under exp. You'll say you could check the exp before the trade, but then, you don't listen to the whole 'don't share' thing, so why would you listen to that?

I'm afraid I'm against it.

Don't create problems, it's the original idea you should be considering. Leave the rest to the creator.

It could simply lock characters so they cannot be played or altered until the other person accepts or until the person requesting the trade gets bored of waiting.

[Sneaky]

What if the memo is left to the character that wants to be traded?

Don't criticize others opinions Pandilex, he was expressing his view just like everyone else.

[Gaddy]

That plus he made a rather valid point...
People have managed to abuse the first trade system in a ways that could easily have been pointed out on the forums, and adjustments have been made---better to point things out than to have to deal with them later if you ask me, but then again, I guess you didn't.
It's as if you basically said you don't want negative opinions or whatever, sounds kind of lame to me. -shrug-

[jurian]

i lvoe pandi's idea! imma install nm again and then offer him to trade pandilex with me and then pandilex gets locked because of it. and then imma lock mister ed and bills entire account with trade memo's

[Pandilex]

Someone posts an idea, you shouldn't tear it down by generating problems and using them as justification, when the problems wouldn't even exist upon implementation.

Jurian what on earth are you talking about? You'd offer to trade say, 500 gold and an iced bun. Those two items would vanish and I'd get a memo saying Jurian wants to trade his 500 gold and iced bun for your character Pandilex. You'd either reject it, or ignore it, meaning nothing happens to Pandilex. Or you'd accept it, in which case Pandilex would vanish, and a memo would be sent back saying "Pandilex accepted your trade of "500 gold, Iced Bun" for "Pandilex ([stats here])". Do you wish to confirm?

In which case neither party would lose their stuff unless they accepted it, and no-one could cheat each other.

[jurian]

your saying that you would lock a character so they cannot be played until the other person accepts. so if i offer to trade you your character will not be able to be played untill you accept it which would make you unable to do so since you cannot play pandilex

it's easy to fix i was just being bored really.

[Crane]

The reason why they want the character to be locked is to prevent the character from being modified between the trade offer and it being accepted/declined. The trouble is, it is hard to stop a player stripping the character down and giving their items to a covert thief before the trade is initiated. To be honest, there is no real substitute for being cautious and sensible, such as listing the pieces of equipment individually in the trade.

I am reluctant to air my full support at the moment due to a few loopholes, but the concept is sound enough.

[Sean]

The reason why they want the character to be locked is to prevent the character from being modified between the trade offer and it being accepted/declined.  The trouble is, it is hard to stop a player stripping the character down and giving their items to a covert thief before the trade is initiated.  To be honest, there is no real substitute for being cautious and sensible, such as listing the pieces of equipment individually in the trade.

I am reluctant to air my full support at the moment due to a few loopholes, but the concept is sound enough.

/trade Crit1, Eq1, Eq2, Eq3... etc

If you want to make sure its not naked, trade for the crit and the eqs you want.

Theres your answer.

Edited by Sean, 15 March 2005 - 05:09 PM.

[alone]

Don't create problems, it's the original idea you should be considering. Leave the rest to the creator.

It could simply lock characters so they cannot be played or altered until the other person accepts or until the person requesting the trade gets bored of waiting.

Don't create problems?

Lets dance..

Lets not create problems by selectively helping certain players over others. Belittle people we don't even know. Telling players their opinions don't mean anything towards the development of the game, or at all really. Overriding the co-creator, making him (to the general player-base), look like a fool (I mean no offence). Also, while we're not causing problems here, lets not hire new staff who're able to be more active than some of the current staff members.
I say we basicly run this game by martial law, how else is it going to work? Dictatorship may be fun. Sorry, this is how the game is already run.

But please, Pandilex, be the light of our lives. Threaten to leave again, wait, you did 'leave', how could I forget, possibly because you never really left? Maybe.

Cover the gaps in 'your' game by deleting posts/threads that expose them. Fact being, you're the biggest let down this game has going for it right now. Too many people know it, but can't stand up to you. Pretty much because you'll click that 'ban' button and they'll be gone.

I must say, it's an awesome community. Some really nice people here. Just half the roots are rotten, and it's slowly falling over.


[Back on topic]
I was pointing out something that was bound to be brought up by someone else. The problem is caused when you trade two crits. Both would be locked till either side cancelled the trade. It'd be grief play at it's simplest.

[Deathwish]

Go Alone! Having the guts to say what a lot of people think.

[Pandilex]

If you want dictatorship I'll delete your forum account, and if you have any ingame characters I will delete them unless you send me large sums of cash at regular intervals. I'll produce vast quantities of powerful items and sell them for real life money, I'll ban anyone that raises any objection of any kind to anything I say. THAT is dictatorship.

This is a forum for players suggestions. So either suggest, or shut the hell up. It's great to raise issues of problems for discussion, but it is NOT valid to raise a problem then reach a conclusion before it has been discussed.

You should not say "No your problem won't work" without justification, you shouldn't say "That won't work because _______ so it sucks" without seeing if others can solve the problem before you make a judgement on it.

Lastly you shouldn't make ridiculous attacks on the staff with absolutely no grasp of how the game works, what goes on behind the scenes, or throw accusations about 'dictatorship' when you barely grasp the meaning of the word, since there is absolutely no way it applies to this game in any way.

[alone]

You may be expecting it with full eq, and get it naked, majorly under exp.

I didn't justify what I'd said?

Worse comes to worse, ask a staff member for some help. It is their job, and if they're not willing to help, then they're lame-asses.

And I didn't suggest a way around it?

And lets not forget where I said the idea sucked... (sorry, I can't quote what isn't there, wanna mod my post so you're right?)

/trade Crit1, Eq1, Eq2, Eq3... etc

If you want to make sure its not naked, trade for the crit and the eqs you want.

I'm not too sure how to fix the EXP thing though

Smart man

It got solved. I hadn't thought of that, he had a valid point and I was wrong, big whoop.

Only things I can think of for the exp, is an addition such as 263,000,000exp+ (meaning the trade voids if the crit falls below 263mill exp).
OR; locking down the crit (unable to be played till trade's done)- But then people could purposefully not cancel or accept the trade.

There I go, not suggesting anything again.

Ok, you got me there Pandilex. Who taught you to Tango?

Not sure how you meant this, whether as a joke, or serious- Ignore if joke ;p
Concerns:

If you want dictatorship I'll delete your forum account, and if you have any ingame characters I will delete them

That doesn't exactly solve anything, and would prove my entire 'cover up the gaps' part.

Lastly you shouldn't make ridiculous attacks on the staff

More that I shouldn't have reason to. To be honest, I don't think I've ever had a dig at another staff member.

[£LD£R]

rofl omg i know this is an old post, but omg i had to bring this back up to the top. i feel a lil hostility, i have to admit on the whole biggest letdown thing though. jlh knows it 2 but he doesnt have the heart to say nething. its ok i prolly couldnt either to my friend.... Pandilex this is a suggestions thread, suggesting an idea wouldnt work is in fact a suggestion so umm hehe " you have been gang banged" hardy har har....

[Sean]

Umm this isnt old.