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(Message started by: TheGreatMilenko on 10/10/03 at 18:13:25)
Title: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by TheGreatMilenko on 10/10/03 at 18:13:25
thats the truth about them at the minute

there dmg is to low for there spells the cost to much to run

there fizzle rates unreal and really pissed me off with an arch mage fizziling when its perf stats for class

this class really need to be looked at by staff and tweeked

there AoP was a main advantage to them but with thieves and zerkers they stand no chance

cause assassinate and smite are not affected by armour so i've heard which i prolly believe considering that zerkers can click me with smite even when not spelled which sucks nutz

they have also supposed to have released Devastate which was to come out around the same time as Devine Restoration but nearly 14 months later still no new attack spell for mages

yet all other classes that were grossly under powered were looked at and mage stronger

i.e Druids and Thieves both were updated thieves ages ago and druids being last not that long ago now most of these classes have an area in the game designed for them and based for them what the hell have mages got?  They got nothing designed specifcally for them

one i would like to see some staff have a say in what they think and there reason for nothing having been designed for mages to do
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Snowy on 10/10/03 at 21:30:41
heh.. completly true.. i also wonder what does vortex do... cuz right now nothing
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Melfice on 10/12/03 at 14:56:11
Vortex gate transports you to another place if you are standing on certain, rare sqaures. I think I'll let you work out where to go yourself  :P
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Snowy on 10/13/03 at 16:24:00
yeah, what a magic! i ll rather logg off and log on to get the same effect without wasting mana or... should i maybe become a scroll of vortex seller?? i heard u can make milions doing that
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Outsider on 10/13/03 at 16:32:19

on 10/13/03 at 16:24:00, Snowy wrote:
yeah, what a magic! i ll rather logg off and log on to get the same effect without wasting mana or... should i maybe become a scroll of vortex seller?? i heard u can make milions doing that


Logging of and on doesnt have the same affect.......
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Eternyte on 10/13/03 at 16:41:42
True, logging off and on takes you back to local. Vortex Gate takes you to Boars Tusk.

Totally agree with what has been said here. Don't really feel the need to add more because most of my thoughts are plastered around the forums anyway.

Milenko, I tried before. There's only 1 person you gotta convince and he only listens to himself. So it's a losing battle.
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Outsider on 10/13/03 at 16:52:01

on 10/13/03 at 16:41:42, Eternyte wrote:
True, logging off and on takes you back to local. Vortex Gate takes you to Boars Tusk.


Only when u logg on a boss square (or close too). But there are other squares where vortex gate works.
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by TheGreatMilenko on 10/13/03 at 17:02:12

on 10/13/03 at 16:41:42, Eternyte wrote:
True, logging off and on takes you back to local. Vortex Gate takes you to Boars Tusk.

Totally agree with what has been said here. Don't really feel the need to add more because most of my thoughts are plastered around the forums anyway.

Milenko, I tried before. There's only 1 person you gotta convince and he only listens to himself. So it's a losing battle.


thing is the dont listen the better every other class and make the under classes go further under slowly pushing them to the point there not used as much
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Jurian on 10/14/03 at 18:05:01
yep they suck, they need to fizzle less, and mana costs should be halved or something, they also need more hp (like 1 more each lvl)

and vortex is needed to get to your guild for lvl 26-30 i think. (sure it's for 30 not sure if it's still for lower lvl's too) last time i leveled my mage was 18 months ago.

but vortex sucks :D
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Hydrilla on 10/14/03 at 19:10:36
I have lvled mages to lvl 29 (then sold) before they halfed xp in arenas once i achieved the blast spell and beam ,yes i did make enough to run out heal/man and back repeatedly ....i agree with Eternyte on everything he says ....and some of the other people have good points .

I'm currently just beginning a mage in 2 days its lvl 20 and since about lvl 15 i rarely fizzle...but that is just random luck ...for now but you factor in fizzle rate and resist rate as a whole when in a duel or fight of any sort  with a player not a monster and it is nerve racking...but also ....the way i see it is dont settle for close but not quite stats ..be committed to training the mage ...have the funds to do it or train and use the gold for the mage only....this mage is good and will be better.

i'm gonna keep on training it ..lol...im not rich so i am devoted to training 5 crits at a time with the majority of my earnings going to my mage.....and when it reaches arch at least i'll know that im in the low percentile of arches out there ...i love rangers and thieves....fighters and those crits are so abundant id rather be an arch mage being looked over rather then a fighter or ranger..etc..

not to say one is better then the other ....everyone is so concerned with there wis when they roll or buy a crit...how many times a day do you witness people being beamed for a pk???  not as much as assassinate or smite or berserk or even storm wrath..just my opinion...mearly saying yes i would like a few more perks as a mage user but am going forth leveling regardless  ;D
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Pandilex on 10/23/03 at 09:34:31
I made a couple of small proposed changes a while back, if these get implemented then mages should become a little more interesting.
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Melfice on 10/24/03 at 00:23:36
You want to let us into the secret of what these might be?  ;)
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Cosworth on 10/24/03 at 09:15:13

on 10/23/03 at 09:34:31, Pandilex wrote:
I made a couple of small proposed changes a while back, if these get implemented then mages should become a little more interesting.

things have been supposed to be comming for mages for over a year were still waiting and nothing to have been seen apart from arena exp changed and area exp changed where mages used to train when they were still hard to lvl but not half as hard as they are now
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Jurian on 10/24/03 at 12:16:47

on 10/23/03 at 09:34:31, Pandilex wrote:
I made a couple of small proposed changes a while back, if these get implemented then mages should become a little more interesting.


i don't think "a little more" is enough :D
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Maltakano on 10/24/03 at 15:58:33
I like the sound of dispel mogh give them an edge over pallys and druids could also stop the target from being healed by spells as well ?
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Fluff on 10/24/03 at 16:30:09
Having dispel stop the target from being healed wouldn't really make it dispel now would it? dispel just nullifies any magic effects on the target and I think it should stay that way
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Maltakano on 10/24/03 at 16:36:35
True but its just an idea, ideas can be changed  ;D
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Rappy_Ninja on 10/25/03 at 19:44:26

on 10/24/03 at 15:58:33, Maltakano wrote:
I like the sound of dispel mogh give them an edge over pallys and druids could also stop the target from being healed by spells as well ?


they already have a "edge" since they can make there stam regain faster so overtime they out damage faster then the pally can heal
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Sausage on 10/26/03 at 01:43:43
Ya, now if only a Pallys 'Aid' and Mages 'Beam' had the same mana expense...  ::)
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Alterno on 10/26/03 at 22:05:08
mages should get to use 'divine restoration' spell ... oh come on its magic too ...
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Zaknafein on 10/27/03 at 11:27:43
Nah. Clerics and Mages get their magic in totally different ways. Clerics pray to their gods for the power to heal/buff people, while Mages read spellbooks and practice arcane arts in some room.
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Eternyte on 10/27/03 at 12:56:52

on 10/26/03 at 01:43:43, Sausage wrote:
Ya, now if only a Pallys 'Aid' and Mages 'Beam' had the same mana expense...

Even if they did paladins would still wipe the floor with mages. Depending if the paladin had about 18+ wisdom. Which almost all do. This is because paladins dont fizzle as much, and dont resist their heals. Or heal for a partial amounts.

I have posted almost everything that is wrong with mages, and all the other classes. However, nothing ever seems to get done about it. We also very rarely get a comment, on if the idea is good or bad. Then some reasons for it.

I recall a certain staff member saying somewhere "There doesn't seem to be much mages being played recently". Well I wonder why, could it be because they are most most severely weakened class in the game? You tell me.
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by IceMan360 on 10/27/03 at 12:57:32
mages are brill they are cool
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Bean on 10/28/03 at 01:43:46
oh right, sure they are buddy....  ::)
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Sausage on 10/28/03 at 21:33:10

on 10/25/03 at 19:44:26, Rappy_Ninja wrote:
they already have a "edge" since they can make there stam regain faster so overtime they out damage faster then the pally can heal


/t Eternyte I was talking about that quote.
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Big_Tymer666 on 11/03/03 at 06:33:26
lol everyones talkin about how much mages suck then all of a sudden some one just comes out and says "mages are cool"..... that put a smirk on my face
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Rafie_Khan on 11/21/03 at 21:29:22
I think vortex should be used to quick trancsport to anytown in the game. like /vortex silversail port or /vortex windia for an instant teleport to the local pub making traveling for mages 100% easier and making them a desired class. mana should be 100 to transport.
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Iron_wolf on 02/03/04 at 05:05:16
I agree....mages are awesome...
Sadly yes...the mage is a loner...given no real advantages
But its a challege....a test to see how much patience one has....and...yeah...sum tweaks couldn't hurt lol
i love the idea of vortex gate being used as a kind of "telepot/recall" maybe to keep it from being an abused ability by restricing when and how its used.
To avoid looking like a total cope off of the game warcraft...if and when the teleport idea is ever used....just change the spells name :)
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Silverwizard on 02/03/04 at 19:06:32
I like the idea of vortex gate used to TP to pubs. Maybe it could be only usuable from another pub making it more of a travelling spell rather than a recall spell. Just me 2 cents. Also mages are hard to lvl and die alot maybe armour/less fizzle/more damage. Fighters can do as much Damage as Silverwizard at MUCH lower lvls and lvl ALOT faster.
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Dank on 02/08/04 at 09:22:36

on 10/25/03 at 19:44:26, Rappy_Ninja wrote:
they already have a "edge" since they can make there stam regain faster so overtime they out damage faster then the pally can heal


Wrong, a lvl 26 pally beat my lvl 30 mage in a duel. He held heal macro until i was out of mana... Then attacked and killed me. Very cheap but it worked.. It shouldnt be like that.
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Snowy on 02/08/04 at 18:28:46
I think a pally should be able to do that if he is lucky but not at lvl 26!! If he should be able to defeat a mage then on lvl 30. Mages are very hard to train and should be most feared, so that if u see a arch mage in dendeyas pub u change ur training place.
Title: Re: MAGES SUCK!!!
Post by Vengence on 02/08/04 at 20:44:29
I think the only reason people raise mages as of right now, is because the spells sound cool when you use them  :P


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