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Title: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Oracle on 06/22/03 at 09:19:10 A memo from Admetus on 06-22-2003 09:07:39 saying mages should be able to learn blast at lvl 18 because thats when their stamina increases to 3and flame is just not good enough for use at lvl 18 and these mages take forevvvvvvvver to lvl past 15 w/ flame. plz change the game so mages can use blast at lvl 18.. I don't generally read this section so I don't know if this is already here somewhere but voice your opinions :) |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Jurian on 06/22/03 at 11:21:09 i say instead of giving blast at a lower lvl they should get their third stam a lil earlier. if you want to change anything that is. mages are fine after lvl 15/18 :D |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Halo on 06/22/03 at 17:46:21 Leave it, Mages are meant to be a challenge. |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Belgarion on 06/22/03 at 17:54:51 True, but at the moment whats the reward for completing this challenge? Low hp? Expensive to use/train? Mediocre damage with fizzle/resist/partial resist/counterspell? Being out spelled by a druid? (aop vs druid armor spells and druids 50 dam stormwrath at lvl 10). |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Roidhun on 06/23/03 at 03:56:24 Leave the mages challenging to lvl, but bring back Vamparic Touch at starting level 15 improving pr lvl up to a total of maybe 50 dam at lvl 30. That way I think a mage at high lvl could still be rounded, but not EVERY time. |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Eternyte on 06/23/03 at 16:36:23 on 06/23/03 at 03:56:24, Roidhun wrote:
A mage when spelled, should NEVER be rounded by a single crit. Do you think an Archmaster magic user is just a shmuck with a wand? Mages should be difficult to train, and should be supreme at high level's. However, they arent at the moment. In fact they are just plain useless. Hopefully in the near future something will be done. *fingers crossed* |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Jurian on 06/23/03 at 18:37:30 on 06/23/03 at 16:36:23, Eternyte wrote:
hmm this is one of the few times i agree with you :D (and not to confuse you ppl, the part where i said mages were fine after lvl 18 is meant for training, i do think they are able to make decent exp after lvl 18 it's jsut expensive :D) |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Roidhun on 06/25/03 at 02:05:59 on 06/23/03 at 16:36:23, Eternyte wrote:
No, but neither do I think that ANY magic user, even at lvl 30 should be immortal and/or unbeatable. (Which, it seems to me, would be the case, if mages were uncritically spelled up to near the pre-reset level). But then again, I see from other posts, that our opinions are not that far apart ;) |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Despair on 06/25/03 at 06:38:49 on 06/23/03 at 18:37:30, Jurian wrote:
no kidding after lvl 25 mages just eat through mana :-/ |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Lappa on 07/07/03 at 04:46:24 training yes they eat up mana but theres a cheap way to train a mage - train near a inn like in dedenya and kill hedges, then refresh in the inn for 100 - cheapest way and effective |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Jurian on 07/07/03 at 16:17:51 right near an inn. hmm someone tell me where a good inn is hwere i can get stam in desert? the jahanna one is kinda scrwed :D |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Harath on 07/07/03 at 17:45:48 don't go to the desert then.. is it REALLY that hard? |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Jurian on 07/07/03 at 18:10:55 cmon lol i'm not gonna change my place of training jsut cuz of it beeing sooooo darn expensive of training a mage :D it's just expensive to train a mage if you can't accept that then don't train a mage lol :D |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Harath on 07/07/03 at 18:49:13 Jurian, did it ever occure to you that your not the only person living in this world? Just because you don't like something, or you prefer to do something your own way, doesn't mean others agree with you. |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Outsider on 07/07/03 at 19:15:01 on 07/07/03 at 18:10:55, Jurian wrote:
I so agree on that I think its hard to train a thief can u plz do it so that it gives 1 million xp per POD, c'mon mages are this way just leave them, or will JLH give a refund to all those Mages out there who did lvl it with the amount of mana/gold needed |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by AlliedAssault on 07/11/03 at 21:12:04 Currently using my mage i have found that resistance levels seem too be higher. Maybe its just me. I think the thing mages need is a mana restoring spell . Something like this: Mana Absorb- Takes All 5 stamina and restores a mages mana. This does not over power them due to the fact that in the time it takes them to get their stamina back they will be getting attacked. |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Despair on 07/11/03 at 22:44:54 on 07/11/03 at 21:12:04, AlliedAssault wrote:
Sounds nice for training ;D Dont think it will be added though :-/ |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by AlliedAssault on 07/13/03 at 06:20:55 Well i wasnt exactly saying for training i was thinking maybe a possible boss drops a scroll of mana absorb. It would only be able to be used by mages lvl 30 as well. Kinda a bonus at arch. I would much rather see this occur then see devestate become an every mage thing. Honestly i would rather one person have that spell; as it name describs it is supposed to devestate the opponent not be 5-10 point higher then beam. |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Admetus on 07/15/03 at 21:50:57 hey oracle thnx i didn't kno my suggestion would actually have a chance lol ;D my mage is lvl 23 now but it still hard as hell to get any good decent exp especially with all these stupid 385 hp zerkers running around lol |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Dank on 09/09/03 at 19:21:18 I think mages are fine the way they are EXCEPT mana consumption. Whens the last time a mage has won a mosh? Theyre the hardest hitting class, and with aura Theyve got the best defense. But noones enters moshes with them... Why? cause of mana consumption... It takes 80 mana just to cast aura and haste... then 17 mana per beam.. so if u casted aura, haste and a full 5 round of beams = 164 mana consumption... thats more than a crystal and a half for one round.. Anyone see what im sayin or am i just ramblin on? |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Mephistroth on 09/09/03 at 19:22:52 Thats a lot of crap. on 09/09/03 at 19:21:18, Dank wrote:
Wrong both times. Their not the hardest hitting class, and druids have the best armour. The reason they dont' win any moshes is because they suck. Plain and simple. |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Dank on 09/09/03 at 19:28:32 All they need is more mana.. |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Mephistroth on 09/09/03 at 19:58:46 Talk to Eternyte.. I'm pretty sure he won't agree with you. |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Dank on 09/09/03 at 21:01:05 ok ok.. mabey thats not All they need... But it'll definetly improve them. |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Mephistroth on 09/09/03 at 21:01:58 Yeah, maybe that, Devestate and lowering the druids armour would make them good enough (not sure though, haven't played a mage in a while) |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Drac on 09/26/03 at 00:20:28 my favorite place to train mages is now the desert.. i find that with a fairly large party.. i can make more than i lose. Also, with several crits holding mana.. i can stay out for up to 2 hours or more. |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Ice_Cold on 09/26/03 at 20:28:34 i went with 8 crits to desert with complete mana and used a total of 3 crystal with my pally for healing, mage blasted away and we ran out in 20 minutes...thats 112 advanced in 20 minutes....we did make a good ammount though, 3k... |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Drac on 09/28/03 at 00:39:43 when i go.. i normally drag a partner with me.. usually kat. and between us we have about 15-20 crits full of mana |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Snowy on 09/28/03 at 20:51:18 great... atleast i know who is the main lagg producer now |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Despair on 09/28/03 at 23:13:35 staying on topic . . . I don't see any good reason why 3 stamina and blast should come together . . . thats like saying enchanted bow and rapid fire should come together . . . leave it how it is . . . just maybe lower fizzle rate of lower level mages |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by fester919 on 09/30/03 at 20:43:08 Sorry for butting in :-[ but i think the 3 stam mark should come down so u get it earlier cos i dont kno about u but i get bored with my mage hes only lvl 13lol and im bored of it he seems to fizzle a lot and takes of about 10 hp >:( |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Eternyte on 10/04/03 at 14:15:03 I think I posted at the beginning of this topic but I'm too lazy to check. Blast and 3 stamina should not come together. Mages do not need to be easier to train. If anything they need to be harder. However, only on the condition they have decent rewards at higher levels. Which they don't at the moment. You think you fizzle now, wait until you hit level 30 and get resisted or fizzle 5/5. Bad luck? Not when it happens about 3 in 10 rounds. |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Ice_Cold on 10/05/03 at 07:06:13 every mage ive controlled lvl 25+ seems to fizzle a LOT more then an EXPERT mage should. i mean, come on, if your an expert spellcaster, would you really be that weak/sloppy with your spells they would fizzle 3-5 times a round...?i think fizzle rate should be reduced greatly at higher levels, and maybe everything be toned down in mana cost, maybe by like 2-3 mana (for higher spells, i.e. invis, mana shroud, blast, beam) on the basis they arent THAT good and they dont last too long. |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Eternyte on 10/05/03 at 11:28:44 What your saying is correct. However 2-3 mana reduction would not surfice. This I think would be better: Shock - 2mp Sphere - 2mp Vortex Gate - 50mp Flame - 5mp Blast - 7mp Beam - 10mp Protect - 10mp Enhanced Sphere - 10mp Mana Shroud - 15mp Aura of Protection - 20mp Haste - 20mp Invisibility - 10mp Devestate - 15mp More spells are also needed to help mages. If you buy an intell increasing item it only raises your max damage by 2, I think. However, the randomness of the damage quickly reduces this so it seems pointless. Perhaps 1 intell could increase damage by 5? Also mages have no other way of increasing their damange like RF from Clerics with other classes. Also I dont think a Cleric should hold the key to increasing a Mages damage, since they are outcasts and loners of the world. Who many dislike intensely. Within the intell, mages seem to fizzle and get resisted even at level 30 by obscene amounts. Which I have suffered first hand, these should be lowered quite a bit. I rarely seem to get a full round of beams in without a fizzle/resist/partial resist. A master magic user would not have this trouble I dont think. |
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Title: Re: 3 stamina and blast coming together? Post by Big_Tymer666 on 11/03/03 at 06:37:54 HAHAHAHA dank has a bong for a pic.. sweet |
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