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(Message started by: Sausage on 11/17/03 at 14:07:51)
Title: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Sausage on 11/17/03 at 14:07:51
Which is better MP wise?

I know stormwrath does 40-50 damage for 10 Mp.
I'm waiting to set my morph because I'm picky.  :P
I'm just trying to find out, for training purposes, which is better?
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Scream on 11/17/03 at 17:10:25
Stormwrath.
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by alone on 11/17/03 at 18:57:27
Morph is useful in a duel.. And when you really need that extra HP boost.

Appart from that, training wise. Stormwrath
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Sausage on 11/17/03 at 19:08:17
Thank ya much.
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Sausage on 11/17/03 at 19:10:09
Oh one more thing.. Would I be correct in saying that Stormwrath is the best spell for Druids..??
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Scream on 11/17/03 at 19:24:22
Yep, you would.
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Despair on 11/17/03 at 20:12:38
after level 25 its a lot more efficient to train using morph as stormwrath is a real mana eater

as for duels its all about who your dueling and your crits level and items
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Mephistroth on 11/17/03 at 20:30:31

on 11/17/03 at 17:10:25, Scream wrote:
Stormwrath.


That isn't true at all. With R/F and enhance druids level 25+ hit for 100+ damage, which is a lot more than stormwrath AND you don't waste lots of mana.
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Gosu Pappy on 11/17/03 at 20:44:31
Not trying to cause an arguement, but you use quite a bit of mana with Righteous Fury? and Enhance. I don't really know; but in my opinion StormWrath is better cause you can always use Heal if your badly injured too, and your cleric has no stamina? *shrugs*
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Gosu Exor on 11/17/03 at 21:57:38
i use morph and attack when i train illidan because of the mana it takes to use stormwrath.But in duels i always use stormwrath til im almost out of mana then i morph.
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Mephistroth on 11/18/03 at 10:18:59

on 11/17/03 at 20:44:31, Gosu Pappy wrote:
Not trying to cause an arguement, but you use quite a bit of mana with Righteous Fury? and Enhance. I don't really know; but in my opinion StormWrath is better cause you can always use Heal if your badly injured too, and your cleric has no stamina? *shrugs*


Not as much as you use with stormwrath. Not sure of the exact amount it costs, but I think its around 10? I'd much rather use R/F and enhance (which you have to cast like once every minute) and hit for 100 damage, instead of using 30 mana every 3 stamina just to do 150 damage with ALL three attacks.

Use heal if your injured? rofl, thats amusing :P heal gives you what, 18 hp? its not worth the effort, and to use RF you need a level 23+ cleric, which means it has aid which heals for 80+. Slightly better than the druids heal isn't it?
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by deSade on 11/18/03 at 13:10:35

on 11/17/03 at 21:57:38, Gosu Exor wrote:
But in duels i always use stormwrath til im almost out of mana then i morph.


How do you morph when almost out of mana? It takes 100mp.
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Mephistroth on 11/18/03 at 14:55:07
Obviously he means almost to be 100 or just above.
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Gosu Alex Wild on 11/18/03 at 21:00:57

on 11/18/03 at 10:18:59, Mephistroth wrote:
Not as much as you use with stormwrath. Not sure of the exact amount it costs, but I think its around 10? I'd much rather use R/F and enhance (which you have to cast like once every minute) and hit for 100 damage, instead of using 30 mana every 3 stamina just to do 150 damage with ALL three attacks.

Use heal if your injured? rofl, thats amusing :P heal gives you what, 18 hp? its not worth the effort, and to use RF you need a level 23+ cleric, which means it has aid which heals for 80+. Slightly better than the druids heal isn't it?



18Hp Could save you.
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Gosu Exor on 11/19/03 at 01:58:11

on 11/18/03 at 14:55:07, Mephistroth wrote:
Obviously he means almost to be 100 or just above.


/nod
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Mephistroth on 11/19/03 at 11:41:03

on 11/18/03 at 21:00:57, Gosu Alex Wild wrote:
18Hp Could save you.


And a level 30 cleric with 5 stam and DR stands more of a chance of saving you.
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Gosu Alex Wild on 11/19/03 at 18:03:44
Yeah but i said in my first post; if the cleric had no stamina.


Not First; in my like 3rd post i menntioned it after you posted.


Edit: (Not first etc..)
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Mephistroth on 11/19/03 at 21:24:57
lol ok, on the off chance that your arch cleric has no stamina left and your low on hp, I guess it could be useful to be able to heal for 18 hp. But I think i'd rather do 100+ a round and try to kill the monster instead, or use the emergancy pot I carry (I normally have 13 crystals and 1 pot when I train, in case someone trys to attack me or my cleric runs out of mana)
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Sausage on 11/19/03 at 22:22:36
So as far as the faster method of training is concerned; Stormwrath?
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Gosu Alex Wild on 11/19/03 at 23:18:03
I think so; yeah. Others may have different views.
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by I Am Spethal on 11/20/03 at 00:36:26

on 11/19/03 at 22:22:36, Sausage wrote:
So as far as the faster method of training is concerned; Stormwrath?



Faster if you compare them by simply sitting in an arena, yes
But... if you're actually training somewhere not lame, you also have to take into consideration different factors.  Such as what if you're somewhere hard to reach like the museum?  You would want to stay there as long as possible and conserve mana (ie use gaea's+morph) because in the long run you and your alts would gain more exp... Making several trips back to restock takes time and lost time = lost exp... although of course you could always bring coverted thieves stocked with mana, but what if your computer (or you) can't handle that many crits on at once?

In my personal opinion, for higher lvls around 24+, 25+ Gaea's + Morph + cleric spells is the most efficient way to train in most cases.
Stormwrath would be better for lower lvls because they miss too much and do not do a significant amount of dmg.

Edit:  ::)
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Sausage on 11/20/03 at 00:45:04
Ok, I am training him in Museum (Majority of time) and I have plenty of mana up there. He is level 16.

What would the fastest method of training be?  

So, far I'm thinking SW is faster (at my level) and Morph to conserve mana.

This is taking longer than I though.  :P

Thanks alot for all the help so far though.  :-*
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Wolfvirus81 on 11/20/03 at 01:52:14
I train my lvl 16 druid in swamp. I can train any druid from 1 to 22 in one in a half days. So I think swamps are the best training area for druids till lvl 26.
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Bean on 11/20/03 at 04:33:27
In the swamps from 15 to 25, then hit the zeums for the rest of your druid career

:D
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Mephistroth on 11/20/03 at 12:17:48
And use Morph, not stormwrath. Unless you don't have a level 23+ cleric to help you.
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Sausage on 11/20/03 at 20:54:59
Morph for training in swamps?

Would that still take extra Torch damage into effect?
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Gosu Alex Wild on 11/20/03 at 23:51:07
Yeah, must do, otherwise you could use Oak Staff and do same damage as Cobalt (example). It uses the weapon and its affect.
Title: Re: Morph vs. Stormwrath?
Post by Sausage on 11/21/03 at 00:01:26
Thanks for all the help guys and gals.


:-*


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