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(Message started by: JLH on 01/08/04 at 00:08:59)
Title: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by JLH on 01/08/04 at 00:08:59
So, today, another 2 emails/msns begging for help with accounts.
When will you people get it? we really don't care, i would love to post the emails/msns in here in full and enjoy going through them saying how stupid you are for doing what you did, but that would be unfair to those concerned.
If you share or give out your crits for training purposes and someone nicks your crits, I WILL NOT HELP.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by DemonSkys on 01/08/04 at 00:17:36
Not everyone shares. But if your'e going to run a game that is supposed to be "Against Theft" why do nothing to stop it. If an owner asks, memo's emails saying I know you can't do anything against the person that stole from me. can you please ban my crits that were stolen. That should be thier right. What's theres should be not used if stolen. like with the DA house. yes we all know it can't be sold. dead issue. the point to it. the crit that was chair was shared. and it was ruled it was stolen and now can not be sold. If crits are reported stolen. Then the crits should be banned or deleted. So no one benefits.  Just like DA house sits. and no one benefits.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Blast on 01/08/04 at 00:17:51
k i think We get the PoInt
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Vagabond on 01/08/04 at 00:18:33
lmao good work jlh... ;D  forget everything Barny and friends have taught you my misguided  little friends, sharing isnt fun and doesnt make you feel better.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by JLH on 01/08/04 at 00:19:06

on 01/08/04 at 00:17:36, DemonSkys wrote:
Not everyone shares. But if your'e going to run a game that is supposed to be "Against Theft" why do nothing to stop it. If an owner asks, memo's emails saying I know you can't do anything against the person that stole from me. can you please ban my crits that were stolen. That should be thier right. What's theres should be not used if stolen. like with the DA house. yes we all know it can't be sold. dead issue. the point to it. the crit that was chair was shared. and it was ruled it was stolen and now can not be sold. If crits are reported stolen. Then the crits should be banned or deleted. So no one benefits.  Just like DA house sits. and no one benefits.

the clan issue happened before we decided not to try and sort all these "thefts" that appear daily.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Simulation on 01/08/04 at 00:20:44
If you do not want people to share...DONT PLAY FAVORITES, There have been many cases where someone gets their crits back so some people share, get stolen from, and ask you to get their crits back, you dont do anything becuase they arent your favorite they complain, get their crits back and someone else does the same thing,To help stop the sharing,DONT PLAY FAVORITES AND GET SOMEONES CRITS BACK AND NOT THE OTHERS!
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by DemonSkys on 01/08/04 at 00:21:08
the point is no need to sort. if crits are reported stolen. ban them or delete them. so the person that was foolish and shared and or stupid and got key logged learns.. don't let this happen agian.. and tthe person now tyinking thier going to benefit from the wealth ill gotten .. get NOTHING
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Vagabond on 01/08/04 at 00:24:28
BUMP

STOP SHARING ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Vanilla on 01/08/04 at 00:26:34

on 01/08/04 at 00:24:28, Vagabond wrote:
BUMP

STOP SHARING ARE YOU THAT STUPID?


It's not that the person is stupid it's just they're trusting.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Pin on 01/08/04 at 00:26:58
jlh is 100% right, if you share and your stuff get's stolen it's your fault. They didn't hack so it wasn't theft, your share your stuff goes missing ::shrugs:: to bad for you, it's happened to me acouple of times before and it was my stupidity no one elses but mine quit wasting your time sending in complaints
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Nemesis on 01/08/04 at 00:29:39
If you share, who actually owns 100% of the crit?

its up for grabs. freebies. just like the dodgy AOL cd's you get thru the letterbox, you can get it, or yer parents get it or whoever. just like that.

you share, you risk that chance
you get stolen from, kick yourself up the butt and quit your pregnant-dogging
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Vagabond on 01/08/04 at 00:30:00
lol w/e, even with sharing and they take what is not thiers it is still theft, just that kind of theft is too hard to police. Is there a way to stop this crime spree.....DONT SHARE AN ACCOUNT.

This shouldnt be a bloody discussion/arguement... read what it says because if you dont your gonna loose your stuff to a thief.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Mission on 01/08/04 at 01:08:00

on 01/08/04 at 00:08:59, JLH wrote:
So, today, another 2 emails/msns begging for help with accounts.
When will you people get it? we really don't care, i would love to post the emails/msns in here in full and enjoy going through them saying how stupid you are for doing what you did, but that would be unfair to those concerned.
If you share or give out your crits for training purposes and someone nicks your crits, I WILL NOT HELP.


exactly.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Tadpole on 01/08/04 at 07:44:33

on 01/08/04 at 00:17:36, DemonSkys wrote:
Not everyone shares. But if your'e going to run a game that is supposed to be "Against Theft" why do nothing to stop it.



He is against "Theft". He is against the type of theft where the person stolen from had no way of preventing it. Linds clearly stated in her post that she gave her pass to a friend..she got drunk and gave it away. It is not staffs fault that stuff like this happens thus why he isnt going to help.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Pandilex on 01/08/04 at 10:02:17
We're not here to hold you hand. Keeping your passwords to yourself is SO easy! Why do you have so much trouble doing it?

The reason we haven't stopped sharing is because a) its quite tricky to program it in so there's no way to get past it, and b) in 0.000001% of cases people might genuinely want to share with someone they really trust - regardless of this fact its still their own responsibility. There are a few people I'd trust enough to share with, but even if I did and they did rip me off, which is what happens with 99.9999% of sharing incidents, it would be my own fault. I'd only share with someone I knew in real life, who I knew to be mature or responsible, or someone I've known online for years like isyng.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by deadman on 01/08/04 at 12:02:36
I seem to remember oracle sharing with some1 and then that person giving out the acct pass and getting stuff jacked but yet guess what happens he gets the crits back no why bc he shared with a staff.That shouldnt matter who u share with u share bc u can trust the person yea but u should get ur crits back bc the game is spose to be against theft and whatever way it happens its still theft and should be dealt with even if ur not gonna get crits back they should be banned/deleted so no1 else can use them.

My apologies to Wes this isnt bashing u or anything u were just a good example.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by -system- on 01/08/04 at 12:06:34
I do share but its ok cause the kid i share with goes to school so i will just pound him if he steals lol :P
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Sublime on 01/08/04 at 12:17:20

on 01/08/04 at 00:19:06, JLH wrote:
we decided not to try and sort all these "thefts" that appear daily.


Did you ever think just maybe... thats why there is "Thefts"?

If anything staff need to pay alot more attention to the game and these "theft" issues... half the staff hardly log on anyway

If you're trying to run a clean and fun game... then why allow things like this to go on?...
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Jurian on 01/08/04 at 12:33:39

on 01/08/04 at 12:17:20, Sublime wrote:
Did you ever think just maybe... thats why there is "Thefts"?

If anything staff need to pay alot more attention to the game and these "theft" issues... half the staff hardly log on anyway

If you're trying to run a clean and fun game... then why allow things like this to go on?...


let's c how can ppl steal your account? if you give them their pw or you don't use the trade system. both are your won mistakes. there have never been hacks (except for the keylogger which isn't a real hack but noobs with a program and other nobos that trust them) on nm.

if you don't give someone your pw and use the trade system there will be no thefts!! staff is not here to make up for your mistakes.

and they are on alot they are just invis or whatever you jsut can't c em and they ignore you :d
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by alone on 01/08/04 at 12:50:43
Don't have much of a comment to make on the whole sharing thing, but I've been given several peoples account details in the past, it's so easy to get trust off of people on NM. (note i have NEVER stolen anything, nor do I have plans to)

I currently share with a friend from Sweden who I've known for quite some time. I understand that sharing is my own choice, and what I risk by doing so..
But at the end of the day, it's just a game, and it does exactly what I want it to do, pass my time.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Diagonyte on 01/08/04 at 15:37:39
If your dumb enough to give someone ur password then you deserve to get stolen from they've said as far back as i can remember that your not SUPPOSED to share ive only ever shared with my twin and what do ya know he' never stolen my crits :S lol (if it was me i'd have posted the emails and msn)



~Baker~
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Bahashabeem on 01/08/04 at 15:48:55
I share with a person named Jason. I have never met him or never had the opertunity to see him. Its about trust not stupidity hell I don't even share with him I let him use my crits. The problem isn't stupidity its TRUST ya have to know who too trust and I trust him. There are not too many people in the world like this. Thats the problem!!! Liars and cheats finish first its the nice guy who finish's last but I won't give up. An JLH helped me get my crits back before from someone who stole my account. So he does try give him a break.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Bleh Poo on 01/08/04 at 16:11:19
The only way you're gonna stop people sharing is by making it so they can't, so why don't you do it if it annoys you so much?
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Aidon on 01/08/04 at 16:28:57
How can you stop people from giving out their password, maybe an electric shocker on their mouse and keyboard so when they start to be stupid and give it out the are hit with a few volts of aversion therapy? That still wouldn't stop the irl of giving passwords out.

As someone has said before if you played a game like Diablo 2 and you let someone use your crit, and they changed the password, would you really go to Blizzard and start sending crying emails to them, I doubt it, and if you do, may you be smacked in the face with a full time mininum wage job for as JLH said, You must be stupid.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Bleh Poo on 01/08/04 at 16:32:35

on 01/08/04 at 10:02:17, Pandilex wrote:
We're not here to hold you hand. Keeping your passwords to yourself is SO easy! Why do you have so much trouble doing it?

The reason we haven't stopped sharing is because a) its quite tricky to program it in so there's no way to get past it, and b) in 0.000001% of cases people might genuinely want to share with someone they really trust - regardless of this fact its still their own responsibility. There are a few people I'd trust enough to share with, but even if I did and they did rip me off, which is what happens with 99.9999% of sharing incidents, it would be my own fault. I'd only share with someone I knew in real life, who I knew to be mature or responsible, or someone I've known online for years like isyng.


And you must read the rest of the topic.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Haunted on 01/08/04 at 18:12:14

on 01/08/04 at 16:28:57, Aidon wrote:
How can you stop people from giving out their password, maybe an electric shocker on their mouse and keyboard so when they start to be stupid and give it out the are hit with a few volts of aversion therapy? That still wouldn't stop the irl of giving passwords out.

As someone has said before if you played a game like Diablo 2 and you let someone use your crit, and they changed the password, would you really go to Blizzard and start sending crying emails to them, I doubt it, and if you do, may you be smacked in the face with a full time mininum wage job for as JLH said, You must be stupid.



Its almost impossible to steal d2 stuff now...due to the whole CD key account thing and the email option. ;)
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Aidon on 01/08/04 at 18:58:09
It is an example of how people would not dream of crying to staff in larger games for their own stupidity, much due to the fact they do not talk/see/know them personally like they do in this game.  People seem to think that they are the only player who do dumb things and that it is easily solved, not that it takes time and effort to look through the logs, which can only be done by admin.  
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by Prophet on 01/08/04 at 20:46:10

on 01/08/04 at 12:02:36, deadman wrote:
I seem to remember oracle sharing with some1 and then that person giving out the acct pass and getting stuff jacked but yet guess what happens he gets the crits back no why bc he shared with a staff.That shouldnt matter who u share with u share bc u can trust the person yea but u should get ur crits back bc the game is spose to be against theft and whatever way it happens its still theft and should be dealt with even if ur not gonna get crits back they should be banned/deleted so no1 else can use them.

My apologies to Wes this isnt bashing u or anything u were just a good example.



You remember wrong. Wes did have his stuff stolen, but not by the person he was sharing with giving out the pass.
Title: Re: STOP SHARING, ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
Post by PureMourning on 01/08/04 at 21:51:32
I think JLH is very right, sheer stupidity. But, there's been a time where I decided to share with someone and the guy jacked most of my stuff, and the guy even admitted it to staff that he took MY stuff. That's kinda gay that I wasn't helped.

I also agree with Baha. I'm sahring with someone now, and I KNOW he won't do anything, neither will I. NO Doubts! Well, we know eachother in RL, we've been friends for years, he lives down the street from me. It's possible.


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