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(Message started by: Sublime on 11/30/03 at 03:23:18)
Title: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Sublime on 11/30/03 at 03:23:18
Looks like theres 2 Shadow Robes in game now... i didnt get to pick it up unfortunately and i dont wanna paste the persons name cause i dont wanna get them flooded with pages lol just thought id let everyone know  ;)
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Matt on 11/30/03 at 03:54:43
Grats Rob!
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Post by PureMourning on 11/30/03 at 05:11:50
lmao. That's tight.
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Post by Vodka on 11/30/03 at 05:52:26
Yeah, Robs the man!
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Post by Epic on 11/30/03 at 06:01:59
yay....
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Post by Rage on 11/30/03 at 06:23:17
Heh pretty funny for the guy who supposedly QUIT but seems to still be kicking it full time in nm pretty funny.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Diagonyte on 11/30/03 at 07:47:32
Grats


~Baker~
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Bacardi on 11/30/03 at 08:43:47

on 11/30/03 at 06:23:17, Rage wrote:
Heh pretty funny for the guy who supposedly QUIT but seems to still be kicking it full time in nm pretty funny.


well considering he only has a few things left... and has given alot away already and continueing to do so i think ur comment is lame and not needed  ::)
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Epic on 11/30/03 at 09:00:42
I want to get banned off the forum
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Eternyte on 11/30/03 at 09:16:13
I'm trying to think what takes more thought. Attacking a box, or being the fastest to pick up a dropped item. Brilliant vision and imagination. Even giving it as a mosh prize would have been alright.

Grats though Rob *mutters something about being a git*  :-*
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Bacardi on 11/30/03 at 10:36:38
rofl chris this is new to me... when did you start thinking?
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Banned on 11/30/03 at 11:06:21

on 11/30/03 at 09:16:13, Eternyte wrote:
I'm trying to think what takes more thought. Attacking a box, or being the fastest to pick up a dropped item. Brilliant vision and imagination. Even giving it as a mosh prize would have been alright.

Grats though Rob *mutters something about being a git*  :-*


/nod

NM is 'starting' to become pretty lame, whats the point in havin all these crits, if you can be top dog just by being in the right place at the right time. Picking up something with one click and surpass most ppl just cuz you happen to be there sitting, doing nothing....
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Jurian on 11/30/03 at 11:12:35

on 11/30/03 at 11:06:21, Banned wrote:
/nod

NM is 'starting' to become pretty lame, whats the point in havin all these crits, if you can be top dog just by being in the right place at the right time. Picking up something with one click and surpass most ppl just cuz you happen to be there sitting, doing nothing....


yep it's gay. best chance to get poerfull is sitting at sgh as much as possible and not moving from the square.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Bacardi on 11/30/03 at 11:13:57
nothing is earned anymore  >:(
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Post by Mephistroth on 11/30/03 at 11:20:02
Thats nightmist for ya.
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Post by Stigmata on 11/30/03 at 12:51:37
I agree with eternyte...........the dropping of quest items randomly is bloody brainless..........
Nightmist is a world full of contradictions.
For example I hear and have heard in the past a vast number of complaints from staff and players that the game is far too easy. Yet instead of trying overcome this problem by adding some challenging elements to the game, you drop some of the best items that the players can obtain randomly throughout the map, some of which could end up in the hands of a level 1 who has just started the game.
Certainly the initial idea of giving away good items every now and again is a good one, but why just drop them? Why not invent quests (like the old days!) and special events that everyone can take part in, and in which everyone has a chance of winning. Of course these items still could end up in the hands of a lvl 1 who's just started, but then atleast they earned them.

Is there no time anymore staff to put some thought into your quests?

JLH, give the staff more freedom. You hired them because they know whats good for the game (I hope!) so let them design a few new items and quests.

Pandilex, fair play for giving out these items, but in future im sure everyone as a whole would appreciate it even more if they were made to work for these items, as apposed to hitting a box that spawns at sgh.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Pandilex on 11/30/03 at 13:43:06

on 11/30/03 at 12:51:37, Stigmata wrote:
I agree with eternyte...........the dropping of quest items randomly is bloody brainless..........
Nightmist is a world full of contradictions.
For example I hear and have heard in the past a vast number of complaints from staff and players that the game is far too easy. Yet instead of trying overcome this problem by adding some challenging elements to the game, you drop some of the best items that the players can obtain randomly throughout the map, some of which could end up in the hands of a level 1 who has just started the game.
Certainly the initial idea of giving away good items every now and again is a good one, but why just drop them? Why not invent quests (like the old days!) and special events that everyone can take part in, and in which everyone has a chance of winning. Of course these items still could end up in the hands of a lvl 1 who's just started, but then atleast they earned them.

Is there no time anymore staff to put some thought into your quests?

JLH, give the staff more freedom. You hired them because they know whats good for the game (I hope!) so let them design a few new items and quests.

Pandilex, fair play for giving out these items, but in future im sure everyone as a whole would appreciate it even more if they were made to work for these items, as apposed to hitting a box that spawns at sgh.


Far too busy with university life, exams around the corner. The item is equal in power to an item that is already easily obtainable in game.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Sublime on 11/30/03 at 13:55:23

on 11/30/03 at 13:43:06, Pandilex wrote:
Far too busy with university life, exams around the corner. The item is equal in power to an item that is already easily obtainable in game.





*nods*


Library info for Golden Robes:

Armor base: 30, Can be worn by: mages, Description: These robes fit loosely around the body, the lustrous glow of the robes is awe-inspiring. The body of the robe is a radiant golden color but it is trimmed with a flaxen sheen.  It is not exactly known (publicly) what is involved in the creation of this fine garment, but the price suggests it is quite laborious and time consuming., Level needed to equip it: 27, Strength modifier: 0, Intelligence modifier: 0, Dexterity modifier: 0, Constitution modifier: 0, Wisdom modifier: 0, Charisma modifier: 0.


Library info for Shadow Robes:

Armor base: 30, Can be worn by: mages, Description: Upon departing to where it came, the shadow leaves behind a small part of its essence. These remnants are the form the shadow took when on the mortal plane, and can be worn as robes, which mask out the users appearence making them considerably more difficult to strike., Level needed to equip it: 30, Strength modifier: 0, Intelligence modifier: 0, Dexterity modifier: 0, Constitution modifier: 0, Wisdom modifier: 0, Charisma modifier: 0.


there is no real differance between the 2, besides a snazzy pic and a differant name its the same thing
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Stigmata on 11/30/03 at 14:19:19
If it's the same thing.........why is one valued at 10x the other?

People pay heavily for something unique in a game thats all the same.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Insomnia on 11/30/03 at 14:22:43

on 11/30/03 at 13:43:06, Pandilex wrote:
Far too busy with university life, exams around the corner. The item is equal in power to an item that is already easily obtainable in game.

So why not let other people from staff run quests? I'm quite sure that at least some of them are very interested in donig so...
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Banned on 11/30/03 at 15:24:41

on 11/30/03 at 13:43:06, Pandilex wrote:
Far too busy with university life, exams around the corner. The item is equal in power to an item that is already easily obtainable in game.


So you just drop it? Just cuz you are busy, which i can understand, you do find time to mess the game up...
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Medora on 11/30/03 at 15:53:20
Could see how this could upset a few people But its silly really. There are certain items that wouldnt even be In the game if it werent for Pandilex and his dropping sprees.

Know how I see it? Its Jlh's and Pandilex's game, they can do as they choose to.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by alone on 11/30/03 at 15:55:31
I doubt so many people would complain, if they got the dropped item.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Banned on 11/30/03 at 15:58:52

on 11/30/03 at 15:55:31, alone wrote:
I doubt so many people would complain, if they got the dropped item.


That isnt the point.

And yes they can do how they please, but whats a game without players...
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Medora on 11/30/03 at 16:03:42
People complain no matter how things are done, but for everyone that leaves, a few more start playing. You really think something with as little importance as this situation is going to effect the game? I dont.
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Post by Mephistroth on 11/30/03 at 16:05:10
Exactly. I never have liked dropping. You say that if we got the drop, then we'd like. That isn't true at all. I've got several extremely rare items. I've picked up the emerald ring (sold it) ring of the wise (sold it) ruby ring (sold it) and several other rare items, yet I still don't agree with it. Why? Because you don't earn it. If you actually had to go out and spend time searching for it, or finding a heavy boss then killing it.. then sure, you deserve the item. But if you just happened to be at the right place at the right time then you don't deserve it.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Banned on 11/30/03 at 16:05:22

on 11/30/03 at 16:03:42, Medora wrote:
People complain no matter how things are done, but for everyone that leaves, a few more start playing. You really think something with as little importance as this situation is going to effect the game? I dont.


Never said this affected it, but you say they can do how they please, which is not entirely true.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Stigmata on 11/30/03 at 16:08:48
Great attitude medora.

Just because this isn't important to you, doesn't change the fact that it is important to others.

If you don't have a valid argument apart from the 'its there game' one then why even join in the conversation?

If the opinions of a minority are ignored because theres a chance that when they leave others will join, then the game won't be around much longer.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Medora on 11/30/03 at 16:12:35
Plain and simple, whats done is done. Whats he suppose to do? Decide all of a sudden because a few players complain about a chance to get a rare item, that its wrong and remove everything from the game that hes ever dropped? I dont see that happening, so why waste your time complaining when you could go train or something? Go hang out with friends maybe?

There is nothing you can say or do to change something thats already came to pass.

Edit: Stigmata, Im entitled to my opinion just the same as anyone else, so back off with your attitude. Just because its my point of view doesnt make it right, Im merely expressing how I see the situation. If I dont have the right to do that, then neither does anyone else.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Eternyte on 11/30/03 at 16:17:02
We're not really complaining that there's is a duplicate questy. We are complaining because more thought should be put into the item. Dropping the items shows a complete lack of imagination. Uni work or not, how hard is it to run a mosh and give to the winner. Just dropping it is pathetic.

The track record isn't good. The previouss two quest items before that Bracelet of Speed and Boots of Haste. Find a certain wepon and attack a box. OMG...is there a book 'An idiots guide to RPG Quests'.

Also other quests should have been run where other items have been introduced into the game. i.e Scroll of Devastate. Atleast let us have some dignity in earning items.

I agree your Uni work should come first for you, but that is what the staff team are there for. To lighten the load of work off the Admin shoulders. If you don't trust the staff team enough to act responsibly, then why the hell are they there.

I know first hand Mike(Stotic) has asked to run quests etc. but was told by JLH there are already too many items in the game. Which I sort of agree with from a quest item point of view.
I then approached JLH offering an alternative way to reduce the amount of items. Which, is going to be implemeted eventually (I hope).

Pandilex, there are more than enough people in the game who are more than willing to lend a hand. You can't do everything by yourself. In fact, why don't you head up a quest team, then you can analyse ideas being put forward. Maybe offer some advice as to how you think it could be improved.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by alone on 11/30/03 at 16:35:36

on 11/30/03 at 16:05:10, Mephistroth wrote:
Exactly. I never have liked dropping. You say that if we got the drop, then we'd like. That isn't true at all. I've got several extremely rare items. I've picked up the emerald ring (sold it) ring of the wise (sold it) ruby ring (sold it) and several other rare items, yet I still don't agree with it. Why? Because you don't earn it. If you actually had to go out and spend time searching for it, or finding a heavy boss then killing it.. then sure, you deserve the item. But if you just happened to be at the right place at the right time then you don't deserve it.


If you didn't agree with it. Why sell it? You've just said you dislike people getting things for free.. But you yourself have had stuff for free then.. So, you don't like how you've played this game?
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Mephistroth on 11/30/03 at 16:43:48

on 11/30/03 at 16:12:35, Medora wrote:
Decide all of a sudden because a few players complain about a chance to get a rare item, that its wrong and remove everything from the game that hes ever dropped?


Way to over react. We never said he should delete all the current 'quest items' in the game. All we said is that there should be more thought put into the items, instead of just dropping them for any random person to get.


on 11/30/03 at 16:12:35, Medora wrote:
There is nothing you can say or do to change something thats already came to pass.


True, but if enough people don't like it then hopefully we can prevent this from happening again.

Edit:


on 11/30/03 at 16:35:36, alone wrote:
If you didn't agree with it. Why sell it? You've just said you dislike people getting things for free.. But you yourself have had stuff for free then.. So, you don't like how you've played this game?


What else am I supposed to do? Go and give it to someone else? How would they be earning it then? Sure, I could have given it to someone, but that would be exactly the same as Pan dropping it and me getting it.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by PureMourning on 11/30/03 at 16:43:59
People wondering about more freedom to the staff members. 'Why not' to a lot of these suggestions? Easy. JLH doesn't trust his staff members.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Mephistroth on 11/30/03 at 16:46:36
Then why are they staff members? If you can't trust them, then they shouldn't be staff.
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Post by PureMourning on 11/30/03 at 16:49:12
Exactly. Also, I didn't make that comment about JLH not trusting his staff from my own opinion. He told me directly.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by dognapot on 11/30/03 at 16:50:26
i really don't mind the item dropping. good job pan. people can pay 10x the amount of golden robes to look pertty but that's thier perogative and it doesn't make the game worse. it's not like everyone's super-poor and this is widening the gap between the poor and the rich.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Pandilex on 11/30/03 at 18:29:47

on 11/30/03 at 15:24:41, Banned wrote:
So you just drop it? Just cuz you are busy, which i can understand, you do find time to mess the game up...


Sure, I'll just remove everything I put into the game and be on my way? Several years of work, and practically every concept and idea. Have fun.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by alone on 11/30/03 at 18:49:19
You've said that before Pandi..

No one wants you to go, they're just lame.. :D

*hides from the abuse*
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Banned on 11/30/03 at 18:57:23

on 11/30/03 at 18:29:47, Pandilex wrote:
Sure, I'll just remove everything I put into the game and be on my way? Several years of work, and practically every concept and idea. Have fun.


d**n for a minute i thought u weren't jokin, almost got a heart attack  ::)

Anyways, i don't mind someone getting an item they didn't deserve, put on the robes for all i care. If i run into you i'll still click you before you can say 'I'm your bish'. its just that selling such an item will give you more power then most players that worked hard to where they are now. And someone comes along, well not really along cuz they've been sitting there for like who knows how long cuz they aint doing nuts. And get something for being a lazy ass?
Title: cold
Post by Harky on 11/30/03 at 19:01:10
Every quest I've run or had a part in running always ended up the same, everyone seems to be enjoying it, someone completes the quest and gets a reward, everyone pregnant doges about it for several months out of jealousy and forgets all the time that was put into the quest in the first place. I admit that this alone isn't a reason not to run quests at all, but I'm just trying to give some kind of insight as to why some staff members may feel like there's no point in going to all the trouble of preparing a quest and building an area for it(maybe) when noone will appreciate any of it anyway.

Edit: I personally don't have a problem with random drops - it lets everyone have a chance of getting said item regardless of level, equipment, etc (it really isn't a bad thing that someone you consider a 'newbie' holds an item of value and/or power.) I can see this being a potential problem if the item is particularly powerful, but even then 99% of the time it'll end up in the hands of one of the current power players through trading things they probably don't even need.

I'm trying to think of some other solution in which quest items could be handed out without absorbing a lot of admin's time, but if what was said about staff members not being allowed to handle/hand out quest items is true(which I can kinda understand) then I just don't see it happening. Closest thing I can think of would be a modified version of the original idea for Pandilex's tower, but it would require admin to build it and restrictions on other staff teleporting in there, else the amount of complaints regarding staff that know the map winning quest items with alts wouldn't be worth the trouble it'd take to set up. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Matt on 11/30/03 at 19:02:51

on 11/30/03 at 18:29:47, Pandilex wrote:
Sure, I'll just remove everything I put into the game and be on my way? Several years of work, and practically every concept and idea. Have fun.


Nothing personal, but why do you -always- make that threat?
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Cosworth on 11/30/03 at 19:08:09

on 11/30/03 at 19:02:51, Matt wrote:
Nothing personal, but why do you -always- make that threat?

gimmie my ball back im not playing anymore im going home   :-X*giggles*
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by JLH on 11/30/03 at 19:15:01

on 11/30/03 at 19:01:10, Harky wrote:
Every quest I've run or had a part in running always ended up the same, everyone seems to be enjoying it, someone completes the quest and gets a reward, everyone pregnant doges about it for several months out of jealousy and forgets all the time that was put into the quest in the first place. I admit that this alone isn't a reason not to run quests at all, but I'm just trying to give some kind of insight as to why some staff members may feel like there's no point in going to all the trouble of preparing a quest and building an area for it(maybe) when noone will appreciate any of it anyway.

I've got a few more points to add but I need to go, I'll edit this in a few hours when I get back.

that's pretty much what i think about quests.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Jurian on 11/30/03 at 19:23:54
my suggestion: no quests, no drops. make special moshes ro something. like hmm 1 mosh every day and at the endof the week the winenrs fight in a mosh for the item. not much trouble, everybody had a chance to win so no pregnant doging.

and this could happen for all lvl's so everybody got an equal chance.

jsut a suggestion :D cuz imo dropping sucks :P
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Pandilex on 11/30/03 at 19:32:51

on 11/30/03 at 19:02:51, Matt wrote:
Nothing personal, but why do you -always- make that threat?


Twice, and although this time it was a sarcastic joke. Both times should serve to remind people that they're biting the hand that feeds them.


on 11/30/03 at 19:01:10, Harky wrote:
I've got a few more points to add but I need to go, I'll edit this in a few hours when I get back.


Always right. Plus I bet when he gets back he's freezing cold.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Insomnia on 11/30/03 at 21:21:12

on 11/30/03 at 19:01:10, Harky wrote:
Every quest I've run or had a part in running always ended up the same, everyone seems to be enjoying it, someone completes the quest and gets a reward, everyone pregnant doges about it for several months out of jealousy and forgets all the time that was put into the quest in the first place. I admit that this alone isn't a reason not to run quests at all, but I'm just trying to give some kind of insight as to why some staff members may feel like there's no point in going to all the trouble of preparing a quest and building an area for it(maybe) when noone will appreciate any of it anyway.

I've got a few more points to add but I need to go, I'll edit this in a few hours when I get back.

The last 2 quests that I can think of right now (well.. except for the ones that offended the entire world of RPGing) got a really good response from the players (from what I remember).

First, the dragon that Jen spawned dropping a gold ring, received almost 100% of thumbs up even though only being something simple as a spawned monster.

Second - the riddles below NM that Stotic (by himself?) created and in the end dropped the Ring of Thieves (or whatever it was called). If I remember it correctly someone even made a thread on forums about how good it was and at least 3 pages were filled with positive comments... and noone pregnant doged EVEN though the person sharing with the quest master himself was the first one to make it all the way through and get the item! (things like this usually generates enough of complaints through forums to make JLH's server explode.)
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Stotic on 11/30/03 at 23:23:15

on 11/30/03 at 21:21:12, Insomnia wrote:
Second - the riddles below NM that Stotic

and Zephie.  ;)
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Epic on 12/01/03 at 02:56:22

on 11/30/03 at 09:00:42, Epic wrote:
I want to get banned off the forum


* frowns

Refresh my memory if you would as to wut i said that almost deserves a baning
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Vagabond on 12/01/03 at 03:23:03
Instead of just dropping rare items for some bum at SGH, i think maybe every so often it should be made as a drop for a boss or semi boss which isnt killed often, ie:The balrog, herric, old hermit ..something outside the regular bosses that are slaughtered daily... im not saying have % drop rate for a rare item on any of theese bosses, just every so often when 1 of theese items is dropped on the ground, instead give it to someone or something which is killed as rarely as theese items are dropped.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Sublime on 12/01/03 at 09:29:33

on 11/30/03 at 19:23:54, Jurian wrote:
my suggestion: no quests, no drops. make special moshes ro something. like hmm 1 mosh every day and at the endof the week the winenrs fight in a mosh for the item. not much trouble, everybody had a chance to win so no pregnant doging.

and this could happen for all lvl's so everybody got an equal chance.

jsut a suggestion :D cuz imo dropping sucks :P



Its a good idea, but with 1 mosh at the end of every week for an item would pretty much be champs belt mosh... and 1 new quest item added weekly would kinda over load the game with rare items. Everyone would have 1 at some point or another and they would just become another everyday item leaving staff to come up with new ideas for more items.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Shane on 12/01/03 at 10:57:32
I think what Jurian means is that each day of the week hold a special mosh, then at the end of the week each winner of the special mosh enters this end of the weeks mosh to win an item. The Champ Belt mosh is a anyone join mosh. This special one would only be for those who won the mosh's during the week.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Sublime on 12/01/03 at 15:15:25
Yes, but the basic point of the 'weekly mosh' is still there... and anyone really can get in considering that they have to compete in a mosh with many other people to be qualified in the first place. Its the same idea but just with a little twist to it.

Jurians idea builds up to somthing, making the competetors really earn they're prize(love that idea) :P
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Aidon on 12/01/03 at 15:34:56
It still wouldnt change the fact that items would be going out weekly, thus increasing amount of items in game drastically.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Jurian on 12/01/03 at 16:07:22

on 12/01/03 at 09:29:33, Sublime wrote:
Its a good idea, but with 1 mosh at the end of every week for an item would pretty much be champs belt mosh... and 1 new quest item added weekly would kinda over load the game with rare items. Everyone would have 1 at some point or another and they would just become another everyday item leaving staff to come up with new ideas for more items.


not like it should be every week mabe every 2 months you hold this?
edit: also might be interesting to not allow last times finalists in it. to give everybody a chance
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by alone on 12/01/03 at 16:14:54

on 12/01/03 at 16:07:22, Jurian wrote:
not like it should be every week mabe every 2 months you hold this?
edit: also might be interesting to not allow last times finalists in it. to give everybody a chance


Each weeks Champs Belt winner, for the past two months.. In a mosh together? See the 'best of the best' fight it out..
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Jurian on 12/01/03 at 16:18:24

on 12/01/03 at 16:14:54, alone wrote:
Each weeks Champs Belt winner, for the past two months.. In a mosh together? See the 'best of the best' fight it out..


nah lol my idea with a mosh every day would be that it could eb a diff times so everybody had a chance to join. i can't join champ belts moshes cuz i sleep then! i've never been in a champ belt mosh or triplex cuz they are during my night.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Oracle on 12/01/03 at 22:21:27
I'm confused; so all you people that always are saying I need to run a quest because you are all bored don't want a quest because they are unfair to everyone except the winner?

(quest/drop, same principle)
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Matt on 12/01/03 at 22:26:39
There will always be pregnant doging no matter if it's a random drop, quest or what-not.

There will always be a post going "well i logged on late *cry cry cry*" or a post whining about how random drops are not fair.

The only one -ever- happy in a quest/random drop event is the person who got it.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Mephistroth on 12/01/03 at 22:31:50

on 12/01/03 at 22:21:27, Oracle wrote:
I'm confused; so all you people that always are saying I need to run a quest because you are all bored don't want a quest because they are unfair to everyone except the winner?
(quest/drop, same principle)


Not at all. We want quests, not some bs dropping. If a quest is actually decent and fair, the players can't possibly find something to moan about, but if you just drop an extremely rare item and someone gets it without earning it, then you're going to get people complaining - hence this thread (although it didn't start of as a complaint, only turned into one as most people think its unfair)
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Matt on 12/01/03 at 22:42:43
Most of the players that play Nightmist think any quest where they are not on to participate/win is not fair.

"*cry cry* you guys hate Americans dont you?! always have to throw quests in your time zone wahnnn wahnnn!"
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by JLH on 12/01/03 at 23:02:55
the only quests i approve of (pandilex is free to approve otherwise btw) is completely automated ones.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Pandilex on 12/02/03 at 01:34:57
pretty much. Most of the time, people pk each other at the quest site, which really upsets them because they don't get chance to participate.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Bean on 12/02/03 at 02:03:40
Why isnt there a command for nopk squares that allows people to attack monsters then?  :-/
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Vagabond on 12/02/03 at 02:22:31

on 12/01/03 at 03:23:03, Vagabond wrote:
Instead of just dropping rare items for some bum at SGH, i think maybe every so often it should be made as a drop for a boss or semi boss which isnt killed often, ie:The balrog, herric, old hermit ..something outside the regular bosses that are slaughtered daily... im not saying have % drop rate for a rare item on any of theese bosses, just every so often when 1 of theese items is dropped on the ground, instead give it to someone or something which is killed as rarely as theese items are dropped.


/t Vaga wow great idea mate  ;)
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Matt on 12/02/03 at 02:27:24

on 12/02/03 at 02:03:40, Bean wrote:
Why isnt there a command for nopk squares that allows people to attack monsters then?  :-/


There is, just like arenas..

Although that will not stop people from whineing. I remember when we had the Lightning Dragon Tooth quest, under arilin was nopk & no exp loss. It took about 3 hours to kill. In the last 10 minutes someone with a few alts came and got the kill.

The people who had been there the whole time dieing about 1000 times were mad pissed.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Bean on 12/02/03 at 03:00:07
OF course they were.... they worked hard, and the other person didnt.... its human nature for gods sakes...

If the only reason quests arent run is because players complain thats a pretty lousy reason, seeing as they will ALWAYS complain....

:-/
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by JLH on 12/02/03 at 04:27:04
they always complain, therefore staff feel bad, therefore they don't run more of them, seems fine to me. pandilex and i have to put up with so much annoyance it's unbelievable, yet we do stick at it as time permits (yes, i know my update is late, but doing some uni work atm that needs to be in for friday, so i'll get to it when i can), and the fact of the matter is, atm, you don't pay for nightmist, so you are not entitled to anything at all. now, when we get the p2p system up and running, then you have a right to complain when we promise something we don't live up to.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Sublime on 12/02/03 at 16:38:14

on 12/01/03 at 16:07:22, Jurian wrote:
not like it should be every week mabe every 2 months you hold this?
edit: also might be interesting to not allow last times finalists in it. to give everybody a chance



I was thinking into this earlier and i thought... instead of a daily mosh make it a weekly mosh, and at the end of the month take the 4 winners and have a 2 on 2 duel, whoever is left at the end gets to take control of a rare item for 1 week (i understand this is similar to triplex but it offers a little more of a challenge) the chosen item could be anything... a random choice made by a staff member.

I think that adds a little bit of skill into getting quest items as apposed to just dropping them at the sgh.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Angelus on 12/02/03 at 16:45:50
Simple quests arent that hard to come up with nor to code. Just make an npc which gives out a hint. And a real hint, not some simple one which gives out the place of where to get it. And make a box somewhere, maybe on an added square that noone knows about or somewhere tucked deep down into the desert f.e. So it will take at least a month to find or stumble in to.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Bean on 12/02/03 at 17:30:17
Jlh, Are automated quests a possibility?

I mean like npc driven quests... Cause im pretty sure the initial coding might be a bit harder than any other quest, but then after that it would be a simple thing for staff to run, OR for the player themselves to activate...

If this is at all a possibility please say so, It would be very cool.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Genocide on 12/02/03 at 17:35:16
Maybe a big maze type race could be done, lol, where a staff gives a hint/clue out about a certain square, when the players get to that square, there is nothing there, but when they do a /read or /examine they find another clue leading them to another square, and so on. then the last square of the maze gets it, it would be a kind of race, but it could be done in the nightmist map we have today. And so no1 stumbles on it acidentally, you have to read all the squares in order to get the item, this way you would have to actually think before the item aswell.
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Jurian on 12/02/03 at 17:35:16

on 12/02/03 at 17:30:17, Bean wrote:
Jlh, Are automated quests a possibility?

I mean like npc driven quests... Cause im pretty sure the initial coding might be a bit harder than any other quest, but then after that it would be a simple thing for staff to run, OR for the player themselves to activate...

If this is at all a possibility please say so, It would be very cool.


well if it gets automated there will only be a certain numbers of quests possible untill the thing starts repeating the quest. or it must be so complex that the system is possible to generate a different quest every single time it gets started which seems to me as alot of work to program :D
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Spectrum on 12/02/03 at 17:36:06
I was thinking that you could just give the item to some random monster. Nothing too weak, nothing too easy to get too... And just let it have the item, and wait patiently. No one would know. There would be no big rush. Even if they read this, peeps will have no idea if you will take this seriosly, even I won't know  :-/  So someone whos randomly training decides to go for a wander, happily killing away... and sudderly... "ooo... look what i found  =D". This will also give everyone a chance, and it may take days of weeks for people to find the right spawn. And they WOULD have earned it because they trained for it!

No big pking sprees... No big rush... No unfairness...

Simple.

I don't think it would take much programming (Though I have no idea how much it would take!)
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Sausage on 12/02/03 at 17:39:53
Staff could just give an item to a monster and then when someone kills the monster they die. No programing there.. That is if you can actually give items to monsters...
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Spectrum on 12/02/03 at 17:49:06
Just realized that i shouldn't take so long to post, totally miss other posts and my idea gets said.  :'(   sorry
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by JLH on 12/02/03 at 18:40:06
monsters can be given things
npc's can be do pretty much anything really with a bit of additional code (if needed)
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Bean on 12/02/03 at 20:10:02
So a quest system could be set up, in which there is a small ammount of code that needs to be changed for a new/different quest each.... month?

Monthly quests would be very cool.

Edit: I think im gonna post a more thought out idea after school.... In the suggestions forum
Title: Re: Pandilex dropped a Shadow Robes.  o.O
Post by Jurian on 12/02/03 at 20:19:19
well i'm cool with anything that's not droppings of pandi and isn't stuck on one time zone.


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