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Title: Annoying Pacifists Post by AlecxZeck-P1C on 08/20/03 at 16:06:51 While I sit in the Barracks minding my own business, leveling my Clerics, there are quite a few Pacifists that have no regard to one's leveling. They come up, take the kill of my Demonic Soldier, not to mention the lack of Soldiers IN the Barracks-- Now what can I do about it? Obviously, not a d**n thing. In my personal opinion, Pacifists were a horrible idea, for the fact that they can't be killed-- even though they have their own spells that can prevent themselves from being killed. I have a Expert Pacifist of my own, so I'm not dictating anything. Pacifists are good for making gold, and of course people who have them aren't going to complain, but I'm looking at it from both sides. Whether Staff want to come up with a situation about this, or not-- this is screwing the balance of Pacifist/Cleric/Paladin relations to hell. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Sausage on 08/20/03 at 16:19:10 I've noticed this as well. I love my pacifist. But it is very annoying when they come up and steal your kills. Prolly the reason that they are stealing kills is because there is such a lack of Demonics. I try my hardest not to steal a kill. When it does accidently happen I give the person his/her money back. Although in the Museum it is a completely different story. All the Pacifists leave each other to thier own. Even the big parties that come up there are pretty good about not stealing kills. Although there is the occasional party that will stop at nothing to get gold/exp. *cough*quark*cough* :D |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by AlecxZeck-P1C on 08/20/03 at 16:26:48 I have already brought up the idea of an extension to the Barracks, and JLH said that he's working on it, which means it should be in within a week, to 6 months. My hopes aren't up, anytime soon. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Sausage on 08/20/03 at 16:29:03 I'm looking foward to the barracks extension. But just like you said, Quote:
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by AlecxZeck-P1C on 08/20/03 at 16:48:23 Harath damaged a Demonic Soldier by healing it. Harath damaged a Demonic Soldier by healing it. A Demonic Soldier attacked you with its Short Sword for 29 points of damage. Sausage_Pacifist takes a look around. Sausage_Pacifist just went North. A Demonic Soldier tried to attack Harath with its Short Sword but Harath dodged the blow. Moosuka just arrived from the West. Harath damaged a Demonic Soldier by healing it. Harath damaged a Demonic Soldier by healing it. Harath damaged a Demonic Soldier by healing it. A Demonic Soldier attacked Moosuka with its Short Sword. A Demonic Soldier attacked Moosuka with its Short Sword. Moosuka cast Depurate Undead on a Demonic Soldier. Moosuka cast Depurate Undead on a Demonic Soldier. Moosuka cast Depurate Undead on a Demonic Soldier. A Demonic Soldier attacked Harath with its Short Sword. Cycle: Moronic annoyance. You healed a Demonic Soldier for 82 points of damage. You healed a Demonic Soldier for 81 points of damage. Killing it. You got 152 gold pieces. Demonic Soldier: The master will deal with you now. Cycle: Not takin' my kill. Now, I'd have had me a good 75K ExP left on that Demonic Soldier. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Sausage on 08/20/03 at 16:50:38 It is ESPECIALLY annoying at low levels. That's when I really get irritated. But it's always annoying. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Zephie on 08/20/03 at 17:17:49 Atleast they haven't casted subdue on you, nothing more annoying than training and out of nowhere some pacifist comes up and subdues your crits. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Sausage on 08/20/03 at 17:19:28 Ya, that sounds pretty annoying. :D |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by AlecxZeck-P1C on 08/20/03 at 22:31:26 When there's a party leveling their Clerics, and they PK me more than once, I log on my Pacifist and Subdue their Clerics. If you're gonna sit there and PK me for leveling, I'll cut you back the time you made me waste,and -then- some, for making me waste my time subdue'in'em. About the only thing I can see useful about them, besides making money. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Vodka on 08/20/03 at 23:35:26 Well, ya'll shouldn't be complaining.. when JLH has said.. he planned on expanding the racks.. for you oh so lovely people. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Nightmist Legend on 08/20/03 at 23:38:00 Then more and more Pacifists will go there, knowing there is an expanded area, and the same problem will happen. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by deSade on 08/20/03 at 23:45:58 Yep instead of cussing some1 for pking me, I now just log on my paci and follow them around putting subdue on them! :P Some might call that childish, others delicious irony. But I'm guessing the whole point of pacifists is to make people think about pking rather than just hitting ppl indiscriminately and if this action stops ppl for 1 sec and thinking before pking just whoever crosses their path, then job done! Plus its not only paci's that rob kills. Lots of times I've spent ages wearing down a boss only for a thief, mage or whatever to swoop in and take the kill. Hugh |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by AlecxZeck-P1C on 08/21/03 at 06:26:12 Following players is considered Harrassment, I don't know if the Staff of the game think it is. Just like I think chain-killing is Harrassment. On the other hand.... if you bump -into- them every now and again and do it is a different story, ironic, eh!? I'm not a Canadian, eh... Force of habbit. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Vodka on 08/21/03 at 07:54:17 on 08/20/03 at 23:38:00, Nightmist Legend wrote:
Yeah, that might be true.. but, when it gets expanded.. there'll be more places for you to run around. It gets a bit better if you decide to hit zeum.. I've had several kills stolen.. because they didn't see me with their big party.. and yet, they always gave me the gold they got off it. Besides, I'm pretty sure this isn't an everyday thing, unless they happen to know you and you have a bad rep. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Sausage on 08/21/03 at 10:06:23 To be honest, I don't know too many "big players" that are running around in the zeum. But even when they do steal my kill, which happens when they have a big party and they can't see me, about 75% of the time they give my money back. It's just alot more umm... "friendlier" up there. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Lady_Maha on 08/22/03 at 04:11:43 on 08/21/03 at 06:26:12, AlecxZeck-P1C wrote:
Then why can certain crits track? |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Vodka on 08/22/03 at 04:14:15 on 08/21/03 at 10:06:23, Sausage wrote:
They're probably more "friendlier" since.. they can't pk you. ::) |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by AlecxZeck-P1C on 08/22/03 at 04:16:06 That's gotta be the single most, well I'll be nice and say dumb thing I've heard this past week. They track to PK someone, if you would have read, it would be considered harrassment to constantly follow someone and subdue them/chain kill them. After you kill someone, you're not tracking them anymore, now are you? |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Lady_Maha on 08/22/03 at 05:47:58 Fact is that there are crits who can track, making following for them easy, hence it is allowed. If a crit that can't track follows you, whatever reason they do it for, it's not any less legal than using a tracking ability. A thief may follow you to steal gold, others to pk, and some pacis to cast subdue. It doesn't mean I am approving of them doing so, I know I use my mana and time for better things, but nowhere in the game rules does it say they aren't allowed, so eat this dumb thing. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by DannysGirl on 08/22/03 at 06:54:22 when people are asigned the job to tell your clan when a certain enemy logs on, and they tell their clan they have logged on, and then certain people in that clan are assigned to watch those peoples profile to see where thier training, and then they send out people to kill the certain person/people thier watching *seen it happen quite a few times and was even told by people who were doing it*, it does seem pretty much like harassment, wether the staff think it is or not, it's pretty much saying we dont like you so we're not going to let you play... but anyways, paci's are greatly annoying and do greatly upset the balance of the game. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Lady_Maha on 08/22/03 at 08:51:42 Harassment is chasing you around to annoy you by talking to you, paging you, memoing you. The many methods of finding out where you are to pk you have nothing to do with harassment, neither does pking in itself, it's part of the game. As for pacifists being annoying, granted, there are those who abuse pacifist spells to annoy people, but there are also those who don't. Those who train, make gold, and maybe cast the occasional JZ to chat with a friend in peace. JLH already agreed to extend the barracks, and hopefully there will be more areas with undead monsters some time in the future. I am sure if there was a sudden swarm of clerics or paladins, people would find them annoying too, simply because there aren't enough undead monsters for everyone. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Vodka on 08/22/03 at 09:16:17 on 08/22/03 at 08:51:42, Lady_Maha wrote:
I agree to a certain extent. I always thought having someone stalkerish.. was a form of harassment. *shrugs* |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by AlecxZeck-P1C on 08/22/03 at 18:22:02 on 08/22/03 at 08:51:42, Lady_Maha wrote:
There's more than those three forms of harrassment. on 08/22/03 at 08:51:42, Lady_Maha wrote:
That's just not true. If you kill someone, and constantly hunt them to PK them, that is considered harrassment. PKing is apart of the game, yes-- but so is leveling. Chain-Killing -is- harrassment. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Chrono on 08/22/03 at 22:39:52 Clerics seem to like to steal kills too ::) . . . It's not just paci's . . . You healed a Demonic Soldier for 52 points of damage. A Demonic Soldier attacked you with its Short Sword for 33 points of damage. You attempted to cast a spell, but it fizzled out. The Demonic Soldier looks at you with a glint of pure evil in its eyes, its only desire in life seems to be to destroy other living things. The Soldier is carrying a short sword and is protected by light armor. The Demonic Soldier has been slightly wounded. You are too exhausted at the moment. You are too exhausted at the moment. You are too exhausted at the moment. You are too exhausted at the moment. You are too exhausted at the moment. A Demonic Soldier tried to attack you with its Short Sword but your armor blocked the blow. You are too exhausted at the moment. You are too exhausted at the moment. You are too exhausted at the moment. You are too exhausted at the moment. You are too exhausted at the moment. A Demonic Soldier attacked you with its Short Sword for 29 points of damage. You healed yourself by 51 hp. Threat, Puppet, Trap just arrived from the South. Threat, Puppet, Trap just went East. You don't see a puppet here with you. Threat, Puppet, Trap just arrived from the East. Threat damaged a Demonic Soldier by healing it. Threat damaged a Demonic Soldier by healing it. Puppet damaged a Demonic Soldier by healing it. Puppet damaged a Demonic Soldier by healing it. A Demonic Soldier attacked you with its Short Sword but you were mostly shielded by your armor for 8 points of damage. Puppet damaged a Demonic Soldier by healing it. The Mosh Server: Magoo was ripped to shreds by Dimension's rapid fire from his Enchanted Bow. Trap damaged a Demonic Soldier by healing it. Trap damaged a Demonic Soldier by healing it. Trap damaged a Demonic Soldier by healing it. Killing it. Demonic Soldier: The master will deal with you now. Cycle, Harath just arrived from the South. Cycle, Harath just went East. Threat, Puppet, Trap just went East. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Mephistroth on 08/22/03 at 22:45:35 It was slightly.. I wouldn't call that kill stealing, if it was mort when they came in to kill it then yes but you hardly did any damage to it. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Chrono on 08/23/03 at 04:58:57 Regardless, when you see someone sitting at a monster, you continue on, finding one that nobody is training at. It's like etiqeut <sp? |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Vodka on 08/24/03 at 10:50:57 I'd just like to clearly state.. how I love when your working on a kill/monster.. and someone comes along.. SEEING you attack the monster.. yet they'll kill it anyways.. saying... "i dont like pacifists lol" before hand. * rolls her eyes. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by The Joker on 08/30/03 at 01:48:35 I'd have to say Pacifist's was the worst idea yet, they are annoying as hell..lil punks come runnin up outta nowhere castin bs on me where i cant attack and stealing my kills...stupid. And I do have a lvl 30 paci and I still wish the idea was never thought of. and rounding yourself on them..gay |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by The Joker on 08/30/03 at 01:53:14 on 08/22/03 at 18:22:02, AlecxZeck-P1C wrote:
If people are going to spend time hunting other people down then they prolly deserve it..its time consuming to wait for them to leave town..alot of people on nightmist do deserve it though. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Epic on 08/30/03 at 06:03:25 /nod The Joker |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by SullenUrchin on 08/31/03 at 06:17:58 I just whent down to the barricks there are about 6 paci's and a big fat 0 On the monster count u can prety much move about the baricks with no problem and when u still one of there kills the subdue you this is just wrong what give them the right to do that? just becuse they didn't get the kill people are just abusing it and pissing other players off by keeping the caves to them selfs and messin with the ppl who just wana train |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Mephistroth on 08/31/03 at 23:02:54 rofl.. pacifists are a pain in the ****ing ass. especially when you get some retard like this: Vehenence just arrived from the West. Vehenence cast Depurate Undead on a Modern Art Sculpture. Vehenence cast Depurate Undead on a Modern Art Sculpture. Killing it. How could you mistreat art so badly! Vehenence just went West. Vehenence Pages You from (Hidden): so where u at?? Vehenence Pages You from (Hidden): lol Vehenence Pages You from (Hidden): lol Vehenence Pages You from (Hidden): heh shouldnt have said that... i just lvled... Vehenence Pages You from (Hidden): i think ill stick around awhile now Vehenence Pages You from (Hidden): lmao Vehenence Pages You from (Hidden): your funny Vehenence Pages You from (Hidden): nice one.... |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Lady_Maha on 08/31/03 at 23:14:57 I can guarantee you that I am one of those few who don't steal kills with their pacis, I don't cast subdue on other people, nor greater pact, unless asked by them to do so. The only thing I'll do occasionally is cast JZ just for fun. I know a lot of other pacifists who will have the same respect for other players, and it disturbs me to see that those few (the above mentioned examples) give pacis a bad name. Personally I tend to chase after those who frequently steal kills and steal their kills to let them have a feel of it. So if you have any other pacis who constantly do this sort of thing, post names and examples and I'll find them. ;) |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Sausage on 09/01/03 at 00:43:38 In my early Pacifist days, I did steal a few kills. But that was because people were stealing my kills and there were next to no monsters around so that was the only way to get experience. That being said I have never cast Greater Pact or any of those spells on someone just to annoy them. Someone did ask me to cast Greater Pact on them once and I did. And I have only cast JZ once. Kill stealers are annoying. If the monster is at healthy or slightly, I don't see it as stealing a kill though. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Vodka on 09/01/03 at 08:22:01 on 08/31/03 at 23:14:57, Lady_Maha wrote:
I'll feel bad if I end up stealing their kills. IF someone ends up stealing my kill.. they end up giving me the gold they got off it, no big deal.. but, if the person is going to do it non stop.. then I shall use the skills I do have. Besides, I live in the Zeum.. it's a pretty big size.. so, there's a lot of room for me/anyone else to roam to. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Bean on 09/02/03 at 00:25:45 You do realize that subdue makes damage dealt AS WELL AS damage dealt TO YOU go half right.... So really it does nothing to you that is of adverse effect... Its not like it makes you have to use more potions or more mana or something stupid like that... Ok maybe more mana if ur a druid or a mage... ITs not really even that anoyying of a spell... you people get hyped up FAR too easily... |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Lady_Maha on 09/02/03 at 03:43:40 The problem subdue causes for the non-paci player is that training takes twice as long while under the spell. So I can understand how it ticks them off. May as well train in the arena, so I only cast it on other players if they ask me for it, and then only if I like them. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Jaded_Soul on 09/02/03 at 14:47:27 When pacifists first came out, I refused to get one. I thought they were a really bad addition to the game. Since that time I have watched others play as one, and see the benefits of having one. They do make mad gold, they are great to play if you need some "alone" time, and they level fast. Awesome crit for a beginner to play. That being said, it isn't the paci's that are annoying, it is the players behind them who choose to cast spells on others to be annoying. We all put our own personalities into our characters, and they shine through in our actions. I have only cast subdue on 1 person ( a pally) and only because that person kept stealing my kills. I respect other players enough to keep going along when I see someone else on a square fighting something, unless they ask for help. But then again, I only respect those who respect me. ;) |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Vodka on 09/03/03 at 04:12:06 I fully agree with you Jaded. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Lich on 09/03/03 at 04:34:06 I cast greater pact with my paci on someone else once and only once because i had been in a square where their were three skeletons and had killed one, and was working on the second when this person comes in the square and says I hate pacis so i think Ill steal the kill. Yes he had the balls to say that before he started swinging with his cobalt staff. So i let him have the one i had worked down a bit then cast greater pact on him he was smart he waited while i killed the last skeleton. Then he started to pregnant dog about it and I Smiled as someone stepped in the square. He moved to pk i cast JZ and got not only the gold he stole in the kill but a little more. Before someone says i should have gave it back it paid to replace the mana that i used to save my last kill. But I like most will leave someone who shows enough respect to move on alone. we are there to train just like you and stealing our kills only helps you.. You all complain about pacis. But it is no different than when you use a higher lvl crit to pk someone who has worked all day. I think most are only mad because a paci evens the odds your not stronger than they are because they take strength away make it illrelevant. Their are a few who use them to get revenge on the players who have made their lives hell. But then again there are people who do the same when they get a really strong fighter or ranger. And the post above of the guy who supposedly gives pacis a bad name where is what you said to him. Everything you posted from him was an answer to something you said so where are your words....lol |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Dan on 09/03/03 at 04:38:34 on 08/20/03 at 22:31:26, AlecxZeck-P1C wrote:
You wate your time complining bout something you have? Almost all of your complints are now null and void because you use one and openly admit to it. The only one I agree with is the kill stealers, but untill an area is fixed, we are all going to just have to deal with it. And/or just come to the museum where we all actually show respect for one another. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Reap on 11/07/03 at 23:36:31 All of this whining about kill stealing. No one's complaining about when you are fighting a bear and someone comes along and pks you. (personally I find that FAR more annoying than someone killing a monster that you are working on....boo hoo) As for Clerics, Pallys or other classes whining about a Paci killing a demon in the barracks. This problem is EASILY solved. Go kill bears, or snakes or orcs or..... Pacifists can ONLY kill undead which is limited greatly. Once a Pacifist hits say lvl 20 and can no longer go to other undead areas, they are pretty well limited to the Barracks. That means on just about the entire world there are what? maybe 20-30 monsters for Pacifists to kill to lvl on and then wait for them to respawn. Now you are going to cry because one of them killed one of the 20 monsters that you were trying to steal from them? Get over it. It's pretty sad when you have nothing better to do than cry that a pacifist killed a monster. Be thankful it wasn't a thief killing you instead. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Snowy on 11/08/03 at 13:30:03 For the first I HATE pacifist, why? Because its stiupid, they should be killabe although their !$%& diety will protect them so it deals dmg to u aswell... (they got also those spells protecting them) PLZ tell me how can a pacifist live if someone comes with an axe and throws it in pacis back?? Ok, his diety will kill the poor woodcutter but why wont the axe kill the paci???? If bears claw can then why wont my hand axe????????????? |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by dec on 11/09/03 at 14:37:54 his/hers diety will be watching over him/her at all times and will be able to save him from danger weither it be from a spell or physical intervention. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Vodka on 11/11/03 at 01:41:52 I was at a boss the other day.. and there were 3 paci's there. One was gp'ing us... from not being able to attack the boss.. this has happened before. That's the only problem I have with pacifists. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Consumed on 11/11/03 at 05:28:08 i think pacis were meant to anooy...j/z when your pk...they subdue u some times while training...and #1 bad is greater pact at bosses!! |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Alicia on 11/17/03 at 00:51:25 dunno who you think is freindly in zeum... its the most hostile place around (xept the barracks, where you just get assassinated) most of the time i go there the low lvl crits im training get pkd quick, then spend next 10 mins with remaining crits pking said pkers, only stopping to log out when i run outta mana, and usually losing gold on the trip As for pacis, whenever they see you they seem to log off and a party of zerkers logs on the same square. |
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Title: Re: Annoying Pacifists Post by Adunakhor on 01/05/04 at 00:44:38 I have a level 29 paci...ive never cast subdue or any of the pacts, and i try to never steal kills, or even damage something another player is working on. I have done it occassionally and given ppl ant mny from kills and saying sorry. I have used JZ once because in one square in the Forest of Souls a party of lvl20-30s were constantly pking a group of lvl10-15s, which i thought was unfair and cowardly. Pacis can be annoying, but getting constantly Pk'd is in effect a lot worse. It is to me annoying that a handful of ppl with their many alts are making the game annoying to others, just because they are bored. So sorry if u are annoyed at a particular class, but dont tar us all with the same brush... if you want to complain name the perpetrators crit names. |
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