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(Message started by: Jurian on 01/25/04 at 14:54:17)

Title: edit csotw
Post by Jurian on 01/25/04 at 14:54:17

ok there are new weapons and all now like adamant warhammer or something whatever it's caleld and it has 26 bd. and i've been told it's like 260k. csotw is still 10 million which it was worth at the time it was put in the game but now you get .3 vamp and 1 more basedamage for 9.74 million gold more. this is complete bs. i say the bd has to be upped to 29 or 30 ish.

i know this affects stuff like blade of time and all but at the moment cobalt shouldn't cost more then like 2 mil or something. and lowering it's price from 10 mil would really piss everybody that has a cobalt allready off bigtime :D

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Quark on 01/25/04 at 15:15:11

its also magical and useable by all classes, thus allowing them to hit magical bosses eg cg

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Lavalamp And Seito on 01/25/04 at 15:42:49

true, but i agree with Jurian.. i think the csotw should be changed to have 29bd just like BoT.. that way the 10mil gold would be worth it.. just my two cents tho

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Jurian on 01/25/04 at 16:10:56

on 01/25/04 at 15:15:11, Quark wrote:

its also magical and useable by all classes, thus allowing them to hit magical bosses eg cg

doesn't make ti worth it's price. not like one crit with cobalt is gonna make you kill cg alot easier.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by ElDiAbLo on 01/25/04 at 16:32:19

on 01/25/04 at 16:10:56, Jurian wrote:

doesn't make ti worth it's price. not like one crit with cobalt is gonna make you kill cg alot easier.

Then don't buy it?

How many vamp drops AND magical at the same time do you see now a days besides CSoTW.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Rappy_Ninja on 01/25/04 at 16:36:31

its still not worth 10 mil

I say lower the price or make it better

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Claw on 01/25/04 at 16:42:38

I say lower the price...to like 5 or 6 mil atleast...

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Jurian on 01/25/04 at 16:45:03

on 01/25/04 at 16:32:19, ElDiAbLo wrote:

Then don't buy it?

yeah let's put in a 10 million weapon in theg ame which isn't worth having. brilliant. then don't put it in.

and claw i payed 10 million i would get really pissed if it's prce were to be halved.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by ElDiAbLo on 01/25/04 at 17:14:32

I know many people who are satisfied with there CSoTW.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Detheroc on 01/25/04 at 17:22:27

I don't know of anyone. I've owned one before, and it went a few weeks later. They suck.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Jurian on 01/25/04 at 17:30:01

on 01/25/04 at 17:14:32, ElDiAbLo wrote:

I know many people who are satisfied with there CSoTW.

well they were good at some point but then BoT came and made em worse to have and not that warhammer is getting realy close with it's bd so now they are well crap compared to their price. they are good weapons don't get me wrong but they are no where near worth 10 million

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by CPG on 01/25/04 at 18:09:33

In my opinion, the Adamant Warhammer should have been a Fighter weapon, not a Berserker weapon.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Quarrel on 01/26/04 at 00:14:10

one Thing . The Csotw's is a Extremely Rare item. With Unholy Powers. Thats why its 10mil. All classes can use it. 27 bd .3 vamp and is Magical. you could add a Dext mod on it to Make it Seem Worth its value. like +1 to dext. And you cn use the Csotw's at lvl 25.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Deval on 01/26/04 at 21:44:21

on 01/26/04 at 00:14:10, Quarrel wrote:

With Unholy Powers.

Where is it ever stated that the csotw is evil?

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Everlast on 01/26/04 at 23:55:08

Extremely Rare items are not for sale in shops.

I think the reason it costs 10 mil gold is because it has high base damage, .3 vamp, magical, and it is shiny.

The idea is that you can then train alts other than rangers on the CG i think...which now thieves and clerics can also give it the good ol' one two.

I don't see raising anything on it or dropping the price as anything that is needed. It is still the best weapon in game for duels or for training, and that is the point of paying 10 mil for it.

I'd never buy one though...10 mil can get a lot of better stuff than a weapon for just one crit in my opinion.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Jurian on 01/27/04 at 08:16:59

on 01/26/04 at 23:55:08, Everlast wrote:

I'd never buy one though...10 mil can get a lot of better stuff than a weapon for just one crit in my opinion.

that's the whole point! it's not worth it that;s why it needs to eb changed!

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Authority on 01/27/04 at 15:10:44

Who is whining now jurian? All you do is flame people for whining and you come here....and YOU WHINE.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Detheroc on 01/27/04 at 15:52:20

He isn't whining. It's a suggestion, hence the suggestion forum. Not that it really matters though, he has a valid point.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Id on 01/27/04 at 16:31:27

then just buy bot or emerald dagger instead. You just wanted everything else to work perfectly FOR YOU huh? All you want is more power ..pfft. Should quit like you said you would...less lag ;D
...and stop whining - yes, stop it.
Shhh! *even before you start*
-good day-

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Jurian on 01/27/04 at 16:37:29

on 01/27/04 at 16:31:27, Id wrote:

wtf? i am not whining as ppl prolly noticed i only log on to talk to ppl and why would i need more power? i don't pk or hardly pk cuz when i palyed active i only trained. the thing is the weapon isn't worth 10 million. not whining making a point! i'm one of the few ppl on this game that actually try and support staff. so stfu?

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Authority on 01/27/04 at 22:02:37

If you dont like it dont buy it. OBVIOUSLY since you bought one you thought it was worth it. If you didnt think it was worth buying you wouldnt bid on everyone that pops up on the for sale forum.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Jurian on 01/27/04 at 22:08:23

i don't need anything else in this game (well needed really) i still have 7 aoh's 1 aolp, 6 sgs some cr's and other stuff rotting away in my account now. so what else to buy? and when i bought mine the weapon closest to cobalt (BoT) was still rare and there wasn't a weapon with 26 str in game yet.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Insomnia on 01/28/04 at 08:53:15

It will and should be kept as it is. If it's not worth 10 mill, then don't buy it.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Despair on 01/30/04 at 14:29:23

I like my cobalt staff just how it is . . . and as long as no other similar weapons come out I still believe its worth its price and if I had the gold would buy another

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Eternyte on 01/30/04 at 15:13:23

Adamant's Warhammer is only usable by berserkers, not every single class. Might be a good idea to make the wepon only usable by fighters as suggested somewhere above. Due the the fact fighters are probably the 2nd least developed class in the game.

The cobalt as it stands I think is fine, however I don't think it would hurt to increase it's base damage to 28, and increase the Blade of Time to 30.

However, as stated before by staff members. "The game is too easy we don't need more ac or damage". Although just look at all the new items in the game, more ac, more base damage, more stat modifiers and classes are even getting more hp, so I can't see it would do any harm to the game that hasn't already been done.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Everlast on 01/30/04 at 17:34:08

on 01/30/04 at 15:13:23, Eternyte wrote:

I could see the BoT going to 30 base and colbalt going to 28. I really don't think it would change the damage dealt much at all though, just mkae them that little bit prettier I suppose.

Wondering though...what class is less developed than fighters? They've got no abilities and not tactical use involved in them at all...every other class at least has an ability and tactic that they use for solo and for parties.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Detheroc on 01/30/04 at 18:31:33

Mages. And yes, mages are worse than fighters.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by CPG on 01/30/04 at 19:00:17

You so funny.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Everlast on 01/31/04 at 00:35:53

lol, mages are not less developed than fighters in the least bit. They aren't bad, better than fighters since you can pk with them, use them to invis, and they've got solo-crit qualities that let it be so you can make a mage strong enough to take on other whole parties if you cast spells and stuff.

What is the reasoning behind saying they're worse than fighters or less developed?

They've got many abilities and things that make them quite devloped. They might not be the strongest crit if you use one to fight---but they can be if you've got full spells and use them with some tactics and stuff.

Thats not at Eternyte, he didn't say it was mages. I know he has mentioned mages not being as strong as he would like them in the past, but less developed?...nothing is less developed than fighters, and that is simply because fighters are simple things to use that just hack away at stuff w/o these funny little red abilites to the side.

Title: Re: edit csotw
Post by Eternyte on 01/31/04 at 17:48:42

All depends how the individual defines development. For instance, you might argue that development is to make ones self better. i.e. Fighters can use blade of time, cobalt staff of the winds, rose blade, royal sword and/or halberd. Mages have beam thus having no other development.

Fighters can have enhance, champions strength, righteous fury casted upon them to make themselves better. Mages have aura of protecion, you could also then argue that mages can use int modifiers to improve their damage/potency, however this might increase their max damage, but with variability it soon prooves useless.

Anyway, that has no relevance to the topic at hand either way both classes need improvement. This topic is about discussing if the CSotW should be changed, which I stand by my original post.