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(Message started by: Valos on 09/12/03 at 03:58:43)
Title: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Valos on 09/12/03 at 03:58:43
:D

(I think the subject title gives you an idea of what I'm thinking...)
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Sausage on 09/12/03 at 17:39:09
I agree. Just atleast for the trade overseeing part. Wouldn't help to get some staff area developing either. (Current staff are doing good IMO. Just the more the merrier.  :D)
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Jurian on 09/12/03 at 17:43:12
same as in other thread. jlh said there was no need.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Aidon on 09/12/03 at 17:46:43
With an automated trading system coming in, it would seem quite silly to hire a staff member just for trading.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Sausage on 09/12/03 at 17:53:47
True... I was under the impression there was still some time before that is getting put in though....

/shrug
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Valos on 09/12/03 at 22:05:33
Well I've never heard of that... so, whatever...

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Anyways, I think it'd be cool to just see more sysop's around...
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Bean on 09/13/03 at 04:40:12
Well honestly... I agree with this idea, TO A POINT...

If more staff were hired to oversee trades, and such Players would get a couple things they wanted 'seeing the sysops on more' And 'not being ignored' *I know most of the time staff arent acctually ignoring players, so dont bite my head off for that*

BUT, The people hired would have to be informed that the second the automated trade system was put in they would efficiently lose their jobs.

I say hire them as padding until the system is added, but after that they wont be needed.

Besides... 'Two heads are better than one'  ;)
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Issy on 09/13/03 at 04:44:35
You all are never happy. Staff work very very hard at what they do. They do their hardest to make YOU the people happy, but you still complain, and whine.

If there isn't a mosh going on, go train, go explore. Find something better to do then complain that 'we need more staff for this and that' and 'i think the game needs this useless suggestion that i've spent all but 2 minutes to think about.'

Leave staff alone and be patient, maybe the patience will pay off in the end!
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Bean on 09/13/03 at 05:23:05
Did you even read what I wrote?

Obviously not... I wasnt complaining in any way, and I also said NOTHING, about moshes or quests...

I was talking about the TRADING SYSTEM... I didnt mention anything else you so conveniently chose to accuse me of...

Also, It would take a lot of stress off of staff to have a trading team in place until the automated trading system is implemented.

This would Allow staff to dedicate a great deal more time to implementing all their areas and such...

The whole point is to help the development of the game... If you dont hire more staff the game wont progress any quicker...
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Zephie on 09/13/03 at 06:49:12
And if more staff are hired, you will just complain about who was hired....
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Bean on 09/13/03 at 06:56:43
WTF....

I've never once complained about who was hired as staff...

Would you quit stereotyping me...

Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Zephie on 09/13/03 at 07:08:45
Bean, sorry didn't mean you=you..I'll try to clarify myself from now on.

I meant you=overall nightmist community.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Issy on 09/13/03 at 12:47:01
*nod Zephie*

And i wasn't saying you complained, but the whole nightmist in general complains/will complain.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Jurian on 09/13/03 at 13:07:12
well maybe it's me but if more staff is hired wouldn't that give staff a little break too?

all you staff say is we work really hard and all so we don't allways have time for you. now that's prolly true and all but if there was more staff that problem would be solved (where there aren't any staffers to help us)

i agree with the idea to hire more staff till automated trading is in. If i'm correct the code is allready written. it'll be in with the next client update. just depends on jlh when that is.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Issy on 09/13/03 at 13:36:31
They work really hard on what they're doing to make you happy.

Hiring more staff would not be a good idea at all. Theres alot of people in the game who think they deserve to be staff (and maybe some of you do deserve it) but if they don't get the staff position, all they'll do is complain, more than what complaints people already give.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Jurian on 09/13/03 at 14:08:47

on 09/13/03 at 13:36:31, Issy wrote:
They work really hard on what they're doing to make you happy.

Hiring more staff would not be a good idea at all. Theres alot of people in the game who think they deserve to be staff (and maybe some of you do deserve it) but if they don't get the staff position, all they'll do is complain, more than what complaints people already give.


lol i disagree maybe when some ppl get staff others will complain for like 1 week or maybe 2. complains about staff not helping them have been around for months now.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by SullenUrchin on 09/13/03 at 14:21:41
your right they would complane and thats pretty much about every thing so nm ppl are just gona keep complaning no matter what happens I personly think that if there where staff who just where staff for the perpos of only watching trads and doing events that would cause problems becuse idle hands are the tools of the devil and yea it would be nice to have more staff on espcialy durning the times when I'm on becuse its rare for me to see a staffer at all except pandilex and he don't answer my pages... and no I'm not gona bash pandilex for what ever reason he sits in game on a sqare for hours afk dunno what to say about that lol but hey IDK any thing any how
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by deadman on 09/13/03 at 14:50:41
I agree that most ppl would complain about who was picked for staff bbut atm that shouldnt matter bc until the automated trading system is put in we need more staff to watch over trades lots of trades have been post poned bc staff arent on im not raggin on staff for that but we need need like 2 more staff to watch over trades for now then drop them when the system is put in.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Exor on 09/13/03 at 16:40:15

on 09/13/03 at 14:21:41, SullenUrchin wrote:
your right they would complane and thats pretty much about every thing so nm ppl are just gona keep complaning no matter what happens I personly think that if there where staff who just where staff for the perpos of only watching trads and doing events that would cause problems becuse idle hands are the tools of the devil and yea it would be nice to have more staff on espcialy durning the times when I'm on becuse its rare for me to see a staffer at all except pandilex and he don't answer my pages... and no I'm not gona bash pandilex for what ever reason he sits in game on a sqare for hours afk dunno what to say about that lol but hey IDK any thing any how


Can you at least use a spell checker before you post?! ffs!
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Aidon on 09/13/03 at 18:02:00

on 09/13/03 at 14:50:41, deadman wrote:
lots of trades have been post poned bc staff arent on



Yeah, by God players have a little bit of patience, its always now, now, now, no one ever wants to wait 5 secs for a trade.  Yesterday I tp'ed to a trade like 1 and a half minutes after someone yelled (mainly because I was answering someones question) and once I arrived I was told by one of the players, "It's about time."  So as Zephie said, people will complain, non-stop, all the time, even if we do come, people still aren't happy.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Whatever on 09/13/03 at 18:03:57

on 09/13/03 at 18:02:00, Aidon wrote:
Yeah, by God players have a little bit of patience, its always now, now, now, no one ever wants to wait 5 secs for a trade.  Yesterday I tp'ed to a trade like 1 and a half minutes after someone yelled (mainly because I was answering someones question) and once I arrived I was told by one of the players, "It's about time."  So as Zephie said, people will complain, non-stop, all the time, even if we do come, people still aren't happy.


If that happens then just leave again, will teach those kids to show some respect.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Valos on 09/13/03 at 19:36:13

on 09/13/03 at 04:44:35, Issy wrote:
You all are never happy. Staff work very very hard at what they do. They do their hardest to make YOU the people happy, but you still complain, and whine.


Accually, I don't think that any of us have complained yet...  just suggested things... I think you're trying to rack up brownie points with the sysop's by how it sounds!
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Valos on 09/13/03 at 19:43:32

on 09/13/03 at 06:49:12, Zephie wrote:
And if more staff are hired, you will just complain about who was hired....


I've got no complaints about any sysop's anymore...  Pandilex was the only one who I ever had any problems with... siting in his tower... yelling crap about nothing, and giving the game lag... >>(BAH AT THE OLD VERSION OF HIM)<<  (i haven't seen him do it in a while).

I'd rather just have more sysop's around... I don't think that anybody would be objective to that...  unless who you got is compleatly 'corupt'.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Valos on 09/13/03 at 19:47:05

on 09/13/03 at 18:02:00, Aidon wrote:
Yeah, by God players have a little bit of patience, its always now, now, now, no one ever wants to wait 5 secs for a trade.  Yesterday I tp'ed to a trade like 1 and a half minutes after someone yelled (mainly because I was answering someones question) and once I arrived I was told by one of the players, "It's about time."  So as Zephie said, people will complain, non-stop, all the time, even if we do come, people still aren't happy.


I agree

>> (To Bean):  Yea, that's like 3 post's in a row, and I like it  (lol, j/k)  :P <<     :D
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Lady_Maha on 09/13/03 at 19:51:36
Seriously Valos, do you know that you can quote multiple people in one post?

I don't disagree that we could use more staff, but to continue scrolling down to read one quote, one sentence, then new post with another quote and sentence, and so on, is starting to get annoying....lol
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Bean on 09/13/03 at 23:27:30
Yeh sorry zephie and issy... I posted that right after our football game yesterday... I was tired, sore, and on top of it all we lost... lol sorry bout that.

Anywho... lol
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Valos on 09/14/03 at 00:59:59

on 09/13/03 at 19:51:36, Lady_Maha wrote:
Seriously Valos, do you know that you can quote multiple people in one post?


(Yea, I do know that I can quote more than one person... but for some reason.  my comp does not allow me to copy/past things from one page/document/program to another... I'm trying to get it fixed) :P (by the way, I love that glowing smily effect)
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Issy on 09/16/03 at 01:05:03

on 09/13/03 at 19:36:13, Valos wrote:
Accually, I don't think that any of us have complained yet...  just suggested things... I think you're trying to rack up brownie points with the sysop's by how it sounds!


Brownie points? wtf? And, if you'd realize how much work staff does everyday, every week. You'd be more thankful. And you are complaining by just posting.


Quote:
lol i disagree maybe when some ppl get staff others will complain for like 1 week or maybe 2. complains about staff not helping them have been around for months now.


I remember when staff became staff, alot of people complained constantly. Being that, i thought Ste did some great work, people complained from day 1, till the last day.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by -Gaddy- on 09/16/03 at 01:13:52
I think there are too many dirty annoyances in nightmist who would abuse the power to even only oversee trades.  I mean, i know some of the current staff would trust people they've known for a long time not to cheat, but that doesnt mean everyone else can.  Plus the fact that people would have to be willing to log onto the crits just to help others out, then there would be more and more people to help and everyone would pregnant dog at them if they left w/o helping every single little person.  I personally do not trust very many people in nightmist, current staff ive never had any thought of cheating, but there are people that could get staffers that i would not trust in the least bit even though they might be trusted by JLH or Pandi.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Deval on 09/16/03 at 02:10:41
I noticed someone earlier mention that no more staff should be hired because people will complain. Well I'm not fussed as to whether there should be more staff or not, I'm quite non-chalante about it, but I what I'd like to add, is that there will always be people to complain about who is hired. Whether staff are desperately needed, or are there to casually help, whether they are totally hated, or even the most loved, people will complain. It's just the way it is, and shouldn't create hesitation to hire new staff for fear of being complained at, and in the end, that's all they can really do, complain.

Do you think everyone is happy and no-one complains when a new president/prime minister is elected?

Hire staff, don't hire staff, just don't let the moaning of the players effect your judgement over making the decision as to whether to do so or not.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Valos on 09/17/03 at 01:05:31
Holy crap you ppl type alot... :'(


~Valos
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Zotz on 09/17/03 at 01:10:05
i dont care bout being staff i jus want 1 of them 2 kill me lol
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Seeker on 10/02/03 at 05:21:15
I think you people should just leave the staff alone cause they are trying there best to help you people dang have some respectfulness lol
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Aidon on 10/02/03 at 05:22:28
I think I would be a really good staff member!! :)


No intentions behind that post huh? lmao
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Undead on 10/02/03 at 06:15:14
i think it is a good idea adding staffs.
if you will screen new candidates for staff, i suggest u also put this in consideration;

We should have staffs from different countries because of time differentials. then it will be like a shiftin schedules and there is a greater chance of having staffs on line 24-7.

i dont know how u will do it but i am just giving suggestion...  ;)
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by rebel_blaidd on 10/02/03 at 06:24:47
that would be a great idea to have staff from other countries ive only seen staff on like once or twice a week if that cause im in australia different time zone and such
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by sayadin on 10/02/03 at 06:38:58
I'm sorry but I think we do need more staff. Have more with the help of maybe more classes, or maybe more Areas. There has been alot of people playing now, I use to remember only 100 members were online. Now its like 200-300 members a day and its mostly crowded or monsters has already been taken care of (killed)... we don't need any more staff for trade, and if people are rude or disrespectful then they should wait more to make them learn to respect. I'm just saying we need more staff to help the main staff with the creations of nightmist, and i am not saying they are terrible or anything, just that productions needs to increased at the same rate as the members increased.... it would help make things get on the right track, or something. ;D
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Shane on 10/02/03 at 07:35:20

on 10/02/03 at 06:15:14, Undead wrote:
We should have staffs from different countries because of time differentials. then it will be like a shiftin schedules and there is a greater chance of having staffs on line 24-7.

That really wouldnt have an effect on when staff are on, not everyone can get ongame everyday. For example, I get ongame whenever I want. Sometimes its early in the morning (like around 2-3 am mountain time), sometimes its really late (like 10-11 pm mountain time), and at other times I am on in the day (when I get lucky). So which time zone that a staff member is in wouldnt matter.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Aidon on 10/02/03 at 07:38:05
Also have to remember staff can be online without you knowing.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Undead on 10/02/03 at 08:32:04

on 10/02/03 at 07:35:20, Shane wrote:
That really wouldnt have an effect on when staff are on, not everyone can get ongame everyday. For example, I get ongame whenever I want. Sometimes its early in the morning (like around 2-3 am mountain time), sometimes its really late (like 10-11 pm mountain time), and at other times I am on in the day (when I get lucky). So which time zone that a staff member is in wouldnt matter.


i am only suggestin, tought it might help... but i do appreciate your opinion. and i know the fact that some staffs are on but we just dont see em.. others would agree others wouldnt but keep on givin opinions please to make the game better...  ;)
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Oracle on 10/03/03 at 09:58:54
I don't think more staff are needed with all this automated stuff coming in.

With staff in the past, it seems to me that they end up in a circle. How long people have been staff for (while I've been Oracle over the last almost 2 years) seems to vary but the pattern seems to remain in most cases.

Staff hired
Staff gets harassment/accusations from players within days
Staff gets over it
Staff does stuff for the game (like area developing) but make a very small mistakes and get "he/she should be fired for that" or "that area was completely rubbish" or "He made that area with his alts/clan in mind so they can control it easiest"
Staff get depressed that all their work just creates them more work in defending themselves, which leads into...
Staff stops logging on which eventually means...
Staff gets pressured to leave as they are no longer helping the game and are creating more problems for the rest of the staff.
Players pick on this and think, "Well if they leave then they will be looking for more staff and I am in with a small chance"
Staff gets more grief
Staff delete themselves freely or pressured by the other staff.


Maybe people should try harder to keep the staff they have got and JLH is trying to do things that means no more staff will be needed like automating trades, which in turn hopefully is less grief for the smaller team and less things for the game to complain about.
Title: Re: ~~More Staff~~
Post by Outsider on 10/03/03 at 10:40:53

on 10/03/03 at 09:58:54, Oracle wrote:
I don't think more staff are needed with all this automated stuff coming in.

With staff in the past, it seems to me that they end up in a circle. How long people have been staff for (while I've been Oracle over the last almost 2 years) seems to vary but the pattern seems to remain in most cases.

Staff hired
Staff gets harassment/accusations from players within days
Staff gets over it.


There's where it should stop, just get over it who cares what other ppl think, not like they can do anything about it, stop being a p­ussy...cat.


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