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(Message started by: Artemis on 08/29/03 at 16:14:00)
Title: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Artemis on 08/29/03 at 16:14:00
I know this has probably been suggested many many times before, but im going to suggest it again lol.

I think most of us have done this... rolling for 3 hours, determined to get those stats you want, you start clicking the reroll button at a quickened pace because you've been at it for so long, and BAM... as soon as you see the red it's gone, because your tired lil clicking finger was slow to react from the 3 hours before. Now you've got a sore stiff finger and well you know.

It's so hard to roll anything now, and takes so many hours.. I think i speak for more than just myself when i say

PLEEEEASE add a back button!!!!  Even if it only remembers the last 2 sets of stats you've rolled, it would be GREATLY appreciated.  *begs* :'( :-* :-*
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Roc on 08/29/03 at 16:16:29

* bows before Artemis.

Another wonderful idea.
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by jadedgothgirl on 08/29/03 at 16:16:39
*joins in the beggng* pls pls pls!
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Rattlesnake on 08/29/03 at 16:27:43
How far back would this back button be able to go? Because if it could just keep going back you could find stats that you like... then keep going to see if you could get something better. And if not finding anything better, just click back until you get back to the ones that you liked before.
Or people could just click the button for hours not paying attention... then flip back through all of them and pick out if there were any good rolls.
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by alone on 08/29/03 at 16:31:21
Good idea. Shouldn't be able to go back more than once, otherwise it's a bit silly.
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Roc on 08/29/03 at 16:31:22

on 08/29/03 at 16:27:43, Rattlesnake wrote:
How far back would this back button be able to go? Because if it could just keep going back you could find stats that you like... then keep going to see if you could get something better. And if not finding anything better, just click back until you get back to the ones that you liked before.
Or people could just click the button for hours not paying attention... then flip back through all of them and pick out if there were any good rolls.





on 08/29/03 at 16:14:00, Artemis wrote:
PLEEEEASE add a back button!!!!  Even if it only remembers the last 2 sets of stats you've rolled, it would be GREATLY appreciated.  *begs* :'( :-* :-*
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Rattlesnake on 08/29/03 at 16:33:30
Ah. I didn't see that. I'm a bit slow..
Yeah I think it would be awesome if it only went back 1-2 rolls.
* begs also.
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Mephistroth on 08/29/03 at 16:34:36
It's been suggested before and I agreed with it then.. no idea why he hasn't already been put in though.
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Artemis on 08/29/03 at 16:38:16
Just being able to remember 2 rolls back would be fine. Anything more would be making it too easy. It's just extremely discouraging to roll over things sometimes. I've sat at the roller for 7 hours or more at a time and rolled right over the crit i was trying to get just from a stiff finger lol. I know the button was modified to grey out untill the stats load but when you have a speedy connection it doesn't make much of a difference. If your a frequent roller, im sure you know what i mean lol..
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Insomnia on 08/29/03 at 16:41:46

on 08/29/03 at 16:27:43, Rattlesnake wrote:
Or people could just click the button for hours not paying attention... then flip back through all of them and pick out if there were any good rolls.

Wouldn't that take even more time that simply rolling like it is today..? ::)
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Mephistroth on 08/29/03 at 16:46:38
Not really.
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Artemis on 08/29/03 at 16:49:33
thats besides the point, it's obvious that would never happen... please don't go on about pointless things. I want JLH to read all the positive feedback not fall asleep before he finishes the first 10 posts ;)
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Despair on 08/29/03 at 17:18:47
yeah and can we go back in time to when that chest containing Boots of haste was put ingame . . . because I now know how to kill it . . .

I don't agree with this . . . if people are careless to roll past stats then it's their own fault imo  :-/
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Artemis on 08/29/03 at 17:54:40
bad comparison..the boots of haste were a poorly thought out item that took almost no effort at all to get. Rolling on the other hand can take days of effort. And trust me I dont roll over good stats because i don't give a crud (would defeat the purpose of clicking reroll for 14 hours) i roll over them because my entire right hand gets worn out.
If you truely feel this is a horrible idea then you obviously have no clue how frustrating the situation really is. I don't believe this would hurt the roller one bit, after all if you spend that long rolling something you deserve to keep it.
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by deSade on 08/30/03 at 03:37:02
hmmm...I like the easy option of knowing you've got a back button,

but wouldn't that make rolling the more attractive option compared to saving and buying, with the result of more 5/6 stat crits out there dramatically affecting the nm economy?

Hugh
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Despair on 08/30/03 at 04:08:01

on 08/29/03 at 17:54:40, Artemis wrote:
bad comparison..the boots of haste were a poorly thought out item that took almost no effort at all to get. Rolling on the other hand can take days of effort. And trust me I dont roll over good stats because i don't give a crud (would defeat the purpose of clicking reroll for 14 hours) i roll over them because my entire right hand gets worn out.
If you truely feel this is a horrible idea then you obviously have no clue how frustrating the situation really is. I don't believe this would hurt the roller one bit, after all if you spend that long rolling something you deserve to keep it.


ok good point . . . I have always been careful when rolling not to roll past stats . . . maybe a back button wouldn't hurt and there is the odd time when you lag out and double click the roller by accident
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by SullenUrchin on 08/30/03 at 06:08:14
since I can remember this has been suggested about 13 times I can count in my head including my self... and it shold be no more then 3 or 5  even after the adding of not being able to roll untill the stats are completly up I rolled right past a 5 stats.... I cryed my self to sleep that night LOL but yea 3 sounds good to me


PLEASE~!
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by AbsoluT on 08/30/03 at 11:41:29
Im going to agree with the masses here... I dont even see why it hasn't been added yet. Rolling good crits is a pain in the ass whether you have a roll back button or not.. why not make everyone a lil happier and put it in!   :-*   :o
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Zylia on 08/30/03 at 18:42:55
Hey lets make the game even more easier!!!!!!!!!!!...  :-/

If you roll past a good set of stats its your own fault. If you had been rolling carefully, wanting to get desired stats, you wouldn't have rolled over it. Take your time and look for the stats you want. It's better to roll slower and get the stats you want w/o risking a 'roll-over' than to click like mad and go past 3-4 of them.

I myself have clicked that re-roll button one too many times at points, but its not meant to be easy to roll. It's meant to be luck! (along with a bit of patience...)

EDIT: I wouldn't mind the idea... but it just makes it too effortless imo...
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by AbsoluT on 08/31/03 at 00:39:23
i dont see why anyone disagrees with this. Its not as if you are cheating, you rolled the stats fair and square, i see no reason you couldnt go back a few if you are a lil too slow to stop the first time. Im tired of hearing people say "take your time"... i can click as fast as i can for 4 hours and not see a 5 stat. why make it so difficult to roll a character thats gonna take the next 14 days of actual playing time to reach arch. gimme a break
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Turmoil on 08/31/03 at 01:58:14
wow i agree with everyone possitive about this idea and i like the thing about it can only remember 2 clicks back...because i have rolled past some really nice stats and juss been mortified..i also dont see how this hasnt been put into game yet

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Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by SullenUrchin on 08/31/03 at 05:55:25

on 08/30/03 at 18:42:55, Zylia wrote:
Hey lets make the game even more easier!!!!!!!!!!!...  :-/

If you roll past a good set of stats its your own fault. If you had been rolling carefully, wanting to get desired stats, you wouldn't have rolled over it. Take your time and look for the stats you want. It's better to roll slower and get the stats you want w/o risking a 'roll-over' than to click like mad and go past 3-4 of them.

I myself have clicked that re-roll button one too many times at points, but its not meant to be easy to roll. It's meant to be luck! (along with a bit of patience...)

EDIT: I wouldn't mind the idea... but it just makes it too effortless imo...


I dissagree with u a hole lot here becuse rolling a five stat chrt takes a lot of time and u have to sit there and roll and roll and roll and u get tierd and u stop looking at every roll of stats and u'v been doing it for 3 or 4 hours how dose making a back button easyer? its not if they are detacted to spend the time to roll a five stat then thats plenty of work right there a lot of work not just any 1 is gona sit there and roll there arses off to do it so its not like ur gona find a bunch of noobies out there rolling around with good stats the changes of more 4 stat 5 stat chrts arn't going to incresse by that much by givng ppl a 3 to 5 roll back
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Artemis on 08/31/03 at 09:39:33
ty for all the feedback guys. Truthfully there is no need for it to remember any more than 1 previous roll, because if your actually looking while your rolling then there's no reason why you would pass a roll up by more than 1. If you roll past something 4 times then either you aren't paying attention or you just click way too darn fast lol. 1 huge mistake I've seen other people make is they look away for a split second and keep clicking, that's just something you have to train yourself not to do. When your not watching, take the finger off the trigger :P  And you know.. it took me 9 months of gametime (probably a rough minimum of atleast 3 1/2 months worth spent at the roller) to roll my very first 18 x 21 18 18 19. I think the roller thought i was someone else, total fluke. Adding the back botton wouldn't increase the amount of 5/6 stats being rolled it would just allow the players to keep them. As it is almost every 6 stat in game so far has been rolled by a new/less experienced player and usually happens within the first 5 rerolls. It's just luck. If lowering the chance to roll them by a pinch must be done to add the back button i'm all for it. I dont believe the amount should be increased one bit. p x p p p p and 6 stats should be slim to almost no chance to roll, too many of them lowers the variety of characters and they should be very- or extremely rare to begin with and right now they're quite plentiful.
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Faerie on 08/31/03 at 16:21:56
i think its a gr8 idea but then again there are plenty of decent crits out there we could manage without it :-)
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Vodka on 08/31/03 at 16:31:28
I wouldn't be using the 'back' button anyways.... since.. I never get good stats.  ::)
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by JLH on 09/02/03 at 21:00:27
no
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Issy on 09/03/03 at 01:00:27
no reasoning behing the no?  :(
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Sausage on 09/03/03 at 01:01:29
no
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Issy on 09/03/03 at 01:02:52

on 09/03/03 at 01:01:29, Sausage wrote:
no



Didn't ask for your comment. I want to know why JLH says no.
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Sausage on 09/03/03 at 01:03:55
You asked if there was a reasoning behind his answer. And there isn't.  :P
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Jurian on 09/03/03 at 07:49:28

on 09/03/03 at 01:03:55, Sausage wrote:
You asked if there was a reasoning behind his answer. And there isn't.  :P


well the only thing i could think f that currently stats are generated randomly and can't be edited really, witha  back button stats have to be saved somewhere and when the stats are saved somewhere you could edit the stats with some nifty tools and press back and get awesome stats.

although if the stats were to be saved on the server you would still have to hack into the server first lol.
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Bean on 09/04/03 at 05:56:09
All the ideas with massive player support are shot down with one swift yet simple word...

No

d**nit.....
Title: Re: Back Button For Roller?
Post by Artemis on 09/06/03 at 03:16:50
lol, can't say i didn't see that comming. his reasoning behind his answer probably isn't just because he wants us to continue suffering (cough-cough!  ;)  :-X) it's most likely because this idea has already been considered and he has future (more adequate)  plans he wishes to impliment. thanks for your time though heh.


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