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(Message started by: Eternyte on 06/01/03 at 12:05:10)
Title: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Eternyte on 06/01/03 at 12:05:10
This has been annoying me for a long time, but only now thought about posting.

When you buy something from a shop, you are able to sell it back to the shop at a knock down price. Such as a Cobalt Staff and Amulets etc.
There are numerous items that cant be sold back to the shops. Like Feathered Boots, not only as these VERY expensive boots pointless, but they are not able to be sold back to the shops.

I think that all items that are able to be bought from shops, should be able to be sold back to the shops.
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Santa on 06/01/03 at 12:10:06
yea...i hate it wen ya accidentally buy something and cant sell it back
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Zephie on 06/01/03 at 12:11:48
I agree about the feathered boots, would you like to perhaps suggest a reasonable sell back price? or stat edit?
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Eternyte on 06/01/03 at 12:30:57
Current: Library info for Feathered Boots:
Armor base: -20, Can be worn by: clerics, druids, fighters, mages, paladins, rangers, thieves, Description: A special piece of footwear used by the people of Windia for 'Speedy movement' when travelling around their city. The boots feel extremely light and comfortable on your feet and seem to fit perfectly. Made with small feathers these boots don't offer the wearer much protection., Level needed to equip it: 20, Strength modifier: -3, Intelligence modifier: 0, Dexterity modifier: 1, Constitution modifier: 0, Wisdom modifier: 0, Charisma modifier: 0.

Maybe the stat mods could be.
-4 ac, -3 str, +1 dex.
-20 ac, +1 dex.
-10 ac, -1 str, +1 dex.

Then possibly sold back to the shop for 500-600k.
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Ice_Cold on 06/02/03 at 02:18:06
personally, ive never seen how something would take away armor...even if your wearing feathers, its going to give you more protection then wearing nothing...i think for its cost (come on, almost the same as the ammy's) -3 str and +1 dex is enough without the -20 armor
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by King o Sausage on 06/02/03 at 02:57:05

on 06/01/03 at 12:30:57, Eternyte wrote:
-10 ac, -1 str, +1 dex.

I like that one much more then the current mods.
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Eternyte on 06/02/03 at 17:21:22

on 06/02/03 at 02:18:06, Ice_Cold wrote:
personally, ive never seen how something would take away armor...even if your wearing feathers, its going to give you more protection then wearing nothing...i think for its cost (come on, almost the same as the ammy's) -3 str and +1 dex is enough without the -20 armor


You havent taken the points of view from all classes. Personally I would love the boots to be -3 str, and +1 dex. Since my main is a mage. However, the boots should have significant disadvantages for each class, without being totally pointless.

As for equip taking away armor class, I agree. I have posted about descriptions been modded for some items because they mislead. "Made with small feathers these boots don't offer the wearer much protection", when infact they offer no protection, and actually lower armor.
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Demonic on 06/04/03 at 18:31:27
would like - 4ac, - 3str , + 1dex .... so prolly mages would buy it if they don't want Boots of Time? more dex helps and they don't need that much str... or yes... - 10ac, - 1str, +1dex just change them....
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Eternyte on 06/04/03 at 19:24:45
It's hard to balance. I tried to think of losing a little, with the gain of 1 dex balancing out.

-4ac wouldnt be much for any class. However its -10 ac away from mages. Since AoP is armor * 2.5.

Athough the ideas is rolling, it'll be inevitibly up to the powers that be.
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Pandilex on 06/05/03 at 17:07:50
No items should be able to be sold back to the shops. When was the last time you could sell your groceries back in real life???

The only reason you could to start with was because there was no /library command. Now that there is, the ability to sell items back should (and probably will) be completely removed.
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Eternyte on 06/05/03 at 17:25:22
Ah ha, but in real life and I quote:
"If you are not completely satisfied with goods that you have purchased please return them, and we shall be more than happy to give a complete refund or exchange the goods for something more appropriate".

So technically you should be able to take to goods back to the shop, and get another item of same price, or a complete refund. However, selling back at a 75% price of fee paid is sufficient for the game to make gold.
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Dwaerkyn on 06/05/03 at 18:14:42
I think you should be able to beat up the shopkeeper and take all the goods if you can't sell an item back.

Conquerer:  These feather boots are useless, I want a refund.

Shopkeeper: Too bad.  The sysops say that in real life you just cant take back used goods for a full refund!

Conquerer:  This isn't real life!

Shopkeeper: Ah, but this game is supposed to be realistic.

Conquerer: Fortunately for you, this game isn't realistic enough so that I can beat you up.

Shopkeeper:  Sort of convenient for me that way, isn't it!

Conquerer: You are a scammer, you should get permanentely banned for stealing, even if you are only a NPC.
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Dwaerkyn on 06/05/03 at 18:18:14
Maybe a junk store where you can sell anything for about 40%-60% of what its worth and just buy anything that anybody sells there for 130% of the normal price.
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Lady_Maha on 06/05/03 at 19:05:49

on 06/05/03 at 18:18:14, Dwaerkyn wrote:
Maybe a junk store where you can sell anything for about 40%-60% of what its worth and just buy anything that anybody sells there for 130% of the normal price.


Selling for less I understand, and it makes sense, sort of like a thrift shop, but buying it for more than the regular price? Why would anyone do that, if they can go to the regular shop and buy it for the normal price?
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Predator on 06/05/03 at 19:42:06
Pawn Shop.
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Stotic on 06/05/03 at 19:58:01
Do you think these are department stores?  These merchants would want to sell their products and that is all.  You think they cared if you were satisfied or not?  "charge it on my Arilin Express"
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Lady_Maha on 06/06/03 at 02:44:49

on 06/05/03 at 19:58:01, Stotic wrote:
"charge it on my Arilin Express"


Do we get frequent flyer miles too?
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Jurian on 06/06/03 at 08:21:36
may i suggest something here then :D

instead of selling something completely back to the shop maybe it could be possible to trade. like when you buy something in a shop like let's say a TV and the next day you decide it's too big you bring it back and get a smaller one and get a little bit of your money back (you still bought something in that store and still have an item) or if you think the TV is too small you go back and buy a bigger one and pay something extra.

something like that (needs to be worked out better so shop prices aren't too much apart from eachother like buy a csotw and then trade it for a short sword :D)
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Pandilex on 06/06/03 at 16:30:18
The shop doesn't WANT your things back. Their job is to sell them to make money, why would they want them back?

I'd like to see you buy a pair of shoes in real life, wear them for a month and try to take them back... ahah...

Plus the medieval period isn't renowned for its great customer-service in shops... Modern society only refunds things to keep the customers happy so they continue to shop there, but the game doesn't exactly have any alternative places to shop so they have no reason to try to keep you as a customer.
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Bobbity on 06/06/03 at 16:42:38
But there would still be problems with buying things by mistake.
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Stotic on 06/06/03 at 18:09:37
Why should nightmist make up for human error?
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Outsider on 06/06/03 at 18:22:30
Cuz its not realistic to buy something by accident either
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Jurian on 06/06/03 at 18:39:06

on 06/06/03 at 16:30:18, Pandilex wrote:
The shop doesn't WANT your things back. Their job is to sell them to make money, why would they want them back?

I'd like to see you buy a pair of shoes in real life, wear them for a month and try to take them back... ahah...

Plus the medieval period isn't renowned for its great customer-service in shops... Modern society only refunds things to keep the customers happy so they continue to shop there, but the game doesn't exactly have any alternative places to shop so they have no reason to try to keep you as a customer.


i never said something about stuff you wore like clothes :D but if you buy the wrong weapon and you can't use it you should be able to sell it again (maybe you pressed the wrong button by accident)
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Stotic on 06/06/03 at 19:34:16

on 06/06/03 at 18:22:30, Outsider wrote:
Cuz its not realistic to buy something by accident either

It isn't? ???
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Outsider on 06/06/03 at 22:07:44
Well last time i went to the store and felt like having a coke, so i walked to the soda's and grabbed myself something to drink. I found my way to the cassiere payd for it, walked outside when i noticed i bought washing detergent


errr whatever  ::)
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Bobbity on 06/07/03 at 07:26:43
Washing detergent in a coke bottle?
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by ? on 06/07/03 at 10:14:35

on 06/07/03 at 07:26:43, Bobbity wrote:
Washing detergent in a coke bottle?
he was makein a example? like he picked up the wrong bottle?  :-/
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Jurian on 06/07/03 at 11:13:56
he was showing that something like that is really unlikely :d but it happens in this game. it's a good reason to allow things beeing sold back to the shop :D
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Stotic on 06/07/03 at 17:40:15
Going in and buying the wrong type of batteries.  Getting XL instead of L shirt.
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Jurian on 06/07/03 at 17:42:03

on 06/07/03 at 17:40:15, Stotic wrote:
Going in and buying the wrong type of batteries.  Getting XL instead of L shirt.


hmm if that happens to you the first thing that pops up in my mind is "idiot" that never happened to me.

but still you could trade them again for something new :D
Title: Re: Selling Items back to Shop.
Post by Prophet on 06/07/03 at 17:53:52
lmao, My dad bought Potato Salad instead of Coleslaw..but it was in the wrong section.


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