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Title: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by medication on 03/06/03 at 10:06:01 Seeing how pally has both less mana and aids for less than cleric, I think a slight reduction in mana cost for aid would be in place. If you make it cost 5mp (7mp current) you will generally get same aid rate as cleric, but they'll have to use one extra stam, which should be ok. Ie: Cleric casts aidx2, using 14 mana and healing for 170 Pally casts aidx3, using 15 mana and healing for 165 Sounds pretty ok to me. |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by sugah on 03/06/03 at 11:15:11 aid is fine as it is, palis do not need any more of an avantage then they already have. and once again, palis ARE NOT clerics, so there costs to cast spells do not need to be the same, and neither does the spell potency. |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by medication on 03/06/03 at 12:39:21 I am not saying they are clerics, and with mana reduction they will still NOT exceed the healing ability of a cleric. But it's just because they're not clerics, their heal spells shouldn't have same mana cost..nor strenght for that matter. |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by PureMourning on 03/06/03 at 14:29:30 They can heal ALOT with the current mana cost for it, so I think it's fine. (First post as Elder!) ;D |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Tender_Foot on 03/07/03 at 16:24:26 The reason the Aid was reduced is because, I'm going to throw a fact in you dont know, Paladins aren't Clerics, don't try to make the Clerics. The reason Aid was reduced is because they are a mix between a Fighter and a Cleric. If you reduce the mana cost, in essence it would make them the same. Ig anything gets changed with Aid for Paladins, I think it should be raised slightly to 8. |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Lyandor on 03/07/03 at 19:07:51 They know there not clerics and there not trying to make them like clerics, all there trying to do is to make aid slightly less expensive, which would be ok if it had 5/6 mp cost. |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Tender_Foot on 03/08/03 at 09:48:07 okay... * keeps his temper down the reason it was reduced in ammount it healed for, was to make them less powrful, and becuase they arent supposed to be as strong as clerics in aid. if you reduce the mana cost, it would be the same as the old aid, only difference is that it heals for less. it would still be as effective as regular. WHICH IS WHY THEY CHANGED IT, SO IT WOULD NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE. a cleric with 700 magic (to make math easy for all the dimwitted people) could heal for around 8,000 hp (700/7=100x80=8000) A pally with 700 magic could heal for 8,400 (700/5=140x60=8400) Wow, you guys just made pally's stronger then clerics....again |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Lyandor on 03/08/03 at 10:04:22 The point is the cleric would heal for that amount MUCH faster than the pally. This doesnt even include Divine restoration, which would heal ALOT quicker. Wow, we didn't make them stronger. |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by medication on 03/08/03 at 14:09:18 on 03/08/03 at 09:48:07, Tender_Foot wrote:
First flaw in your reasoning is that a cleric can heal up to 90 (elf, wis 20) at lv 24. But lets pick a wis of 19, and it'll still heal 85+ at lv 24. A pally, halfling at lv 26 can heal up to 65, but is generally holding its ground around 60. So, just by looking at those numbers you can see that cleric is still better. However, there is one bigger difference that speaks for clerics, and I will use your example: -your cleric (fixtional one with 700mp) needed 100 casts of aid to reach certain amount of heal provided (I say you'll need even less than 100) -your pally needed 140 casts of aid to reach same amount of heal provided as cleric. Difference is 40 stamina...and seeing how you get 3 on every stam recharge it would take your pally roughly 2mins longer to heal for that same amount as cleric did. You still think pally would be better ? |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Eternyte on 03/09/03 at 20:16:58 Pally v's a Cleric. The pally would hit the cleric more often and a lot hard. Cleric heals more, uses mana...Cleric has little stamina to attack, and attacks for not much. Pally's already having nice armor, make their dex 27ish. Cleric's miss even more. Cleric either miss of hit for enough damage that a simple heal can sort out, therefore using less mana. Although a Cleric heals for more, a pally would beat them very often. As making the cleric heal they lose mana until they have no more to heal, and thus die. Pally's are good, Clerics are getting there, they can stand up for themselves, and help a party brilliantly. |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Tender_Foot on 03/10/03 at 08:16:31 i have a lvl 25 paladin, and a lvl 24 cleric, pally with 19 wis and cleric with 20, and my pally never heals for less then 60, and my cleric never heals for 95 |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Lyandor on 03/10/03 at 17:03:51 My level old level 26 cleric used to heal for 85 or so, which is like 25 more than old pally. |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Zerlix on 03/12/03 at 04:53:48 i think paladins and clerics are equal as it is paladins have the ability to fight with strong weapons, clerics do not so they have to heal for more to make up for it and if paladins had the same healing ability as a cleric then clerics would be useless and everyone would want a pally instead |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Lyandor on 03/12/03 at 15:52:04 This wouldn't make clerics and pallys equal though, clerics would still be the main healer. |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Tender_Foot on 03/12/03 at 20:07:55 here, let me see Cleric who hits for 20 damage, and heals for 80's Pally who hits for 50's and heals for 60's I dont know which one you would choose, but pally looks preety good to me as it is, using less mana, that means less gold for mana, that means more heals by a pally. I would choose pally |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Sanctuared on 03/12/03 at 21:55:44 Tender_foot.... I have a perfect halfling pally, and mine sure as hell doesn't hit for 50's with no spells.... maybe once in a while. And mine doesn't heal for 60's, more like 50's. |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Tender_Foot on 03/13/03 at 03:38:36 i dont know what lvl yours, is, but mines lvl 25 |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Pazzer on 03/30/03 at 17:02:45 Pallys need help they r becoming weak again put the aid at about 60-65 itll be much better bcoz many things kill paladins to easy or bring a new spell in or s new weapon i no ther not clerics but they need to be tweaked :'( :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Sanctuared on 03/30/03 at 22:49:28 Mine is lvl 28 BTW. Also, I really think that pallies just need a very good lvl 28+ weapon or 25+ like rangers and thieves. |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Bahashabeem on 04/01/03 at 00:08:45 yes pallies are gettin weaker they can't handle attacks from other class aka rangers and fighters you spend more time healing then anything also i am starting new post on there dex spells seeing as they are rather pathetic but yes a lvl 28+ weapon other then cbsow or bot would be nicely appreciated but hey staff only can decide that Nick |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Defiant on 04/03/03 at 08:12:28 You guys obviously have -no- idea how to use paladins.. |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Tender_Foot on 04/08/03 at 04:03:03 my pally is great, he almost always hits for 50+ and if your doesnt, then i feel sorry for you. and mine almost always heals for high 50's |
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Title: Re: Reduce mana cost for Aid ? Post by Blast on 05/15/03 at 19:52:26 i think aid is ok, but they need some other cool spels :D |
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