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Title: Joining Clans? Post by Bernard on 07/03/03 at 02:50:52 I've seen a few postings claiming that Pacifists will not be able to join clans, but I cannot find any staff comments that settle the issue. Personally, I don't see a problem with Pacifists joining clans. As a class intended to support role-playing, I would argue that there are many benefits to allowing pacifists in clans. It would allow them to more easily find other players currently logged in who were also RPers and it would allow them a central location to gather and congregate without having to have tons of interruptions. If people are seriously worried that a pacifist in a clan would cause some type of imbalance (I'm guessing that it would be related to boss-drops, but I still don't quite understand how), then perhaps having clans that only allow pacifists as members would suffice. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by -Gaddy- on 07/03/03 at 06:23:47 People can still organize together their pacifists via AIM or logging onto reg crits, talking, then logging pacifists in prep. for bosses, the reason i dont want them in clans really is because then all pacifists would be blue, so you wouldnt have to worry about having an accidnent where a pacifist is south and red so you click them, clicking yourself..it'd be a lot easier not to attack them if they were all blue. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Bernard on 07/03/03 at 21:50:59 It seems that this could be solved by simply *always* coloring a Pacifist character as blue, regardless of clan affiliation. I realize this might mean that you are on a grid square with someone from an opposing clan and not be aware of this, but that's usually true due to thieves, invisibility, and camoflage. If we really want pacifists to be a way to encourage RP in nightmist, we need to enable them to find the (few) other players that are also interested. I think the clan system is an excellent way to allow that to happen. (There are some non-pacifists who are also primarily interested in RP.) |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by WiccanTrails on 07/04/03 at 18:56:51 I understand both sides here. Personally I doubt my pacifist even joins a clan. But to say "Don't let them join a clan cause we might see them red and might click ourselves" is silly. If people were smart enough to look the person over before just clicking, they wouldn't have to be worried about clicking themselves. Gee an extra second to look someone over. Wish I would have thought of that. ::) |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Sausage on 07/04/03 at 19:13:57 Personally, I'm not on either side. But in the extra half-second it takes to look the person over, they are gone. (Most of the time) |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by WiccanTrails on 07/04/03 at 19:26:34 Well I guess that's just a risk they take. People are wanting so much set "special" just for the pacifist class. You know they didn't ask for special things with the berserkers who get ungodly amount of hp and their smite is stronger than the thieve's assassinate. They worry about a class that is only dangerous to them if they attack it. Even then they aren't the danger. The person attacking is. They claim putting a pacifist into a clan is wrong because they are anti-violence. Thing is, clans aren't necessarily about violence. Look at what we would call clans from the medieval days. And I say that time period because that's the time period we're in with the game. Clans back then were about family belonging. Clans were a social standings, not necessarily a group of messed up killers that went from land to land killing each other. Most clans back then had like a color or a bird or some sort of symbol, that represented thir family aka clan. So from an RP standing, which is what the pacifist is supposed to be about, why restrict them from clans? Can one say that from an RP stance, that just because one is a pacifist that they do not hold the ability to show alligence to a family or land? Read up on your history people. Just because one person was holy didn't mean they didn't give alligence to a land or a family. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Bobbity on 07/05/03 at 07:38:12 I didn't read all of this thread put I think they should be able to join clans. So what if they're red? It makes people look em over more so they don't attack on first sight. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Origenes on 07/10/03 at 16:47:48 Let them to join in. ;D But anyway, this class sounds also very interesting without able to join a clan. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Ashton on 07/11/03 at 18:03:17 having a pacifist only clan would be kinda stupid...every clan in the game would just ally them so they didn't kill themselves |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Bernard on 07/12/03 at 01:38:01 on 07/11/03 at 18:03:17, Ashton wrote:
You seem to be missing the point of the class. Some people want a class that encourages role-playing and don't care about PKing. I for one intend on playing a pacifist because I'm interested in role-playing, could care less about PKing, and don't mind if everyone wants to put that crit on their friends list or ally list. The point of the pacifist is not to ensure that PKing doesn't happen. There are far, far too many ways to get around that. The point is to encourage a different style of play within Nightmist. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Ashton on 07/12/03 at 22:37:52 I know this...I'm simply saying if they are allowed to be in a clan people should not be able to ally that one clan, because if you can you almost might as well remove the nopking ability they have from them altogether |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by PureMourning on 07/17/03 at 03:28:38 They're out, they can't. ;) |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Sausage on 07/17/03 at 03:31:56 Which I don't like... But oh well. No matter. I'll still play them just as well. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Bernard on 07/17/03 at 06:47:03 I'm disappointed by the staff's decision not to allow pacifists to join clans. With the log-in restrictions for pacifists and any alts, I still cannot see the point in restricting this. Can anyone give me a reason for this to be so? |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Desolation on 07/17/03 at 07:35:48 i dunno if this is a bug or not but i have a pacifist and know 2 other pacifists that are in a clan |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Kazuya on 07/17/03 at 17:17:09 kinda sucks not having them join clans..cant log on a alt to get the money for your pacifist and other small things..i really dont see why cant pacifists join clans..cant even have fun chating to your clanies while training em..whast nextis theri friends list gonna be removed also? |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Lich on 07/17/03 at 17:50:00 This class is proving to be the proof that staff seems to want to have pkers rather than Rpers. I mean think about this. They cant join clans so to play it you have to want to be a loner no friends (unless you play one of the classes that can and ohhh wait they can be pked.) You can't party so the abilties are useless to anyone except yourself.(because then your abilties would give your party an advantage that an attacking party may not have) When asked why in the Bloody hell cant they join a clan it is stated that poeple wont relize it is a pacsafist and might Accidently attack them.(oh and they dont want to have to look them over because a non paciafist will run away) ::) This is proving to be another one of those worhless classes to make people say. "well if I dont fight I cant do anything really fun." Thie is one of those few times that i am thinking that EQ did have the right idea by allowing the player to choose is they play pk or not. Its easy is nothing more than allowing the person to choose before they start the crit if they say no pk then they cant be killed by players and they cant kill players. If they say yes to pk then they play as they play now. But the person is allowed to choose and not have to accept a class that cuts them off from the entire world. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Ashton on 07/17/03 at 18:34:17 the fun comes in reverse pking...if you do it right you can get someone to kill themselves rather easily, and it's very funny too...think about it for a second, wait until some people are fighting at south gate...take a step south..Justice Zone...watch the mayhem and laugh Edit: Plus the freedom to explore areas you may not have been able to due to pkers, just because you don't think it's fun doesn't mean everyone else does too |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Lich on 07/18/03 at 00:48:24 Its not a matter of not being fun. I am not a real pker I only pk wheni have to and i like alot of others get pissed off when you have worked all night long on a crit just to get the exp that you have just so you can be pked and loose everything you have worked for all night. (ohh by the way no one ever gets any gold from me when they do) So that being said what is the point. why would it be so hard to say hey i dont want to be a pker or i want to then if you choose no then you show up green on everyones screen and if you say yes than you show up red unless you are in an allied clan. But just because you say no you still dont get cut off from the whole world. Where this one you do |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Bernard on 07/18/03 at 04:55:25 I agree with much of what Lich has said. If one of the points of the pacifist was to increase the amount of roleplaying and social interaction that happens in game, then preventing pacifists from joining clans has locked them out of the most used and most influential social aspects of the game. I hope that the staff has been reading this thread, and I hope that some of them might choose to respond. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Bean on 07/18/03 at 05:54:09 I've seen a lot of pacifists in clans. So either they ARE allowed in clans or its a bug. Either way i see pacifists in clans |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Exor on 07/18/03 at 06:01:31 I say let them join.Its no fun playing a pacifist when you can't talk to your friends :'( |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Ashton on 07/18/03 at 06:52:22 they could join but still show up as blue? I really don't see why else they aren't allowed in clans...adding your entire clan to your friend chat is basically the same thing...only very annoying |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Selene on 07/18/03 at 12:12:18 on 07/18/03 at 05:54:09, Bean wrote:
Yeah, I tried joining my clan today with my Pacifist.. and it said.. Pacifists aren't allowed to be in clans. I do recall Pandi said.. something about fixing the "problem" of the Pacifists that are already in clans. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Bean on 07/18/03 at 19:51:11 I joined and re-joined a clan yesterday with my pacifist. So its most likely a bug... |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Sausage on 07/18/03 at 19:55:03 You can no longer join clans with Pacifists. And the ones that are in clans will be removed. Personally I think Pacifsits should be able to join clans. I'm not going to pregnant dog and moan that they can't. Just my oppinion. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Mephistroth on 07/18/03 at 19:57:39 Same. I see no real reason why pacifists can't join clans.. It's quite annoying actually, makes training quite boring. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Bean on 07/18/03 at 20:02:08 Especially since they were meant as a 'social' class... Oh well |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Sixtoes on 07/20/03 at 22:30:38 Holy cow. Pacifists can't attack. You can't use them with alts. And they can't join clans? What good are they? And what use is leveling them? It's not like it will help me or my clan(rank in particular) in any way. Everyone was so excited for the pacifists, but I think they are a huge let down, and know many who agree. I understand the alt rule. But if something isn't done about the clan rule, I will burn my pacifist in protest. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by InsaneNinjaPhreak on 07/20/03 at 22:37:08 **** you and stop downing the pacifists, I like them, and don't see what all the fuss is about them...so what they cant join parties or clans? you can still get around and do nuts with them, so stop your god d**ned whining and go back to your life |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by Outsider on 07/20/03 at 22:38:42 They are so boring, its more a class for ppl with no friends, just to wander around. |
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Title: Re: Joining Clans? Post by InsaneNinjaPhreak on 07/20/03 at 22:40:40 what du mean no friends? I socialize alot more with my pacifist thenI do with any of my other crits...even when I'm out training, I normally have someone around me and we talk about stuff....There not that boring really and people tend to be more friendly |
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