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(Message started by: Despair on 06/21/03 at 00:49:16)

Title: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Despair on 06/21/03 at 00:49:16

Ok Pacifists have been brought into the game for role playing purposes . . . So why not make it so you can only log on 1 Pacifist at a time . . .

What this will do is limit abuse of boss killing using multiple Pacifists

Let me know whatcha think

-Jimmy

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Angel on 06/21/03 at 02:30:05

OMG, a sensible idea......I'll hide now...in wake of the coming uproar from the pro-alts action group......
Angel Hides.:)

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Uki on 06/21/03 at 09:56:51

Not relating to this idea, but I want to say that there should be a story why there is an up rise of pacifists...It could turn in to a religion or something...People believing that war is bad and want to help others heal...

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Exor on 06/21/03 at 10:03:43

Great idea Despair! :)

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Jurian on 06/21/03 at 12:34:33

hmm even i have to say i it's a good idea :D and you know me and alts :D

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Old School Freaks on 06/21/03 at 12:59:50

on 06/21/03 at 00:49:16, Despair wrote:

O.K. I`m a lil confused. On the same topic( Pacifist) you have a thread titled Partying....
Anyway I think this is a good idea. I would like to see it even go so far as when you have a Pacifist logged you can`t log any others crits not just Pacifist.

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Despair on 06/21/03 at 13:16:39

on 06/21/03 at 12:59:50, Old School Freaks wrote:

O.K. I`m a lil confused. On the same topic( Pacifist) you have a thread titled Partying....

My partying thread as stated in the thread was not meant so you can log on all your pacifists and run round with a pacifist army, it was meant as u can party with friends so you dont have to train/explore alone

And with regards to being able to log on any other crit when you have your pacifist online I also agree

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by -Gaddy- on 06/21/03 at 13:28:00

This idea works, the only problem is that i would like to be able to take a set of 4 or so pacifists to the SK...it wouldnt work if i couldnt do it, which is the point of the idea...darn.

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by InsaneNinjaPhreak on 06/22/03 at 00:06:16

you could find other players to go with you Gaddy

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Exor on 06/22/03 at 04:54:10

on 06/21/03 at 13:28:00, -Gaddy- wrote:

This idea works, the only problem is that i would like to be able to take a set of 4 or so pacifists to the SK...it wouldnt work if i couldnt do it, which is the point of the idea...darn.

thats the point of this...people going to the sk and dg with loads of them.

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Sanctuared on 06/22/03 at 06:15:30

Great idea. I was planning to make about 6 or so pacifists and just leave them at the sk and dg... That doesn't seem fair to me, but I would have taken advantage of it, but others would have as well. Again, great idea!

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by WiccanTrails on 06/22/03 at 15:31:35

What's the difference between someone having 4 or 5 pacifists that they have to move individually and say a TR member having a party of 7 or 8 alts at a boss? It seems to me that there's a certain clan in the game feeling threatened by the fact that there's a class they can't PK when they show up at a boss anylonger. Or is it that they can't wait for that boss to be mortal now and walk in and wipe everyone out and take the drop?

Where is the fairness in limiting one class when it comes to alts but there's no limits on anyone else? If you're worried about boss drops, then perhaps instead of limiting the crits at a boss then perhaps you should limit how many times one crit can get a drop at a particular boss. That would seem more across the board fair for EVERYONE in the game would then be limited and not just one class.

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Despair on 06/22/03 at 17:36:07

on 06/22/03 at 15:31:35, WiccanTrails wrote:

It seems to me that there's a certain clan in the game feeling threatened by the fact that there's a class they can't PK .

I see where your coming from . . . just 1 thing this was my suggestion and Im not in TR ;)

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by WiccanTrails on 06/22/03 at 17:39:31

I'm not saying you ARE TR. I'm just saying that the bosses can no longer be dominated by people who sign on 10+ alts just to get a boss. To limit one class because they can't be PK'ed seems a little tilted there.

If you're going to limit, you should limit EVERYONE and not just one group or class. It's a person's choice what class they choose and they shouldn't be penalized over choosing that class. I think Pacifists have been restricted enough. Look at them. They are the ONLY class that can't join parties, even of their own class and they can't join clans. Why impose more restrictions on them when no others would face the same restriction? Are you people that insecure about the boss drops?

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Bean on 06/22/03 at 23:08:22

'I'm just saying that the bosses can no longer be dominated by people who sign on 10+ alts just to get a boss.'

what exactly was meant by that? I dont understand it.

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by WiccanTrails on 06/22/03 at 23:56:33

I meant exactly what I said Bean.

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Despair on 06/23/03 at 02:04:04

What he means is the bosses should be able to be dominated by people who use 10 alts that can't be pk'd ::)

IMO if you wanna take 10 alts to a boss then you should have to risk using alts that can be pk'd

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by WiccanTrails on 06/23/03 at 02:09:50

::) That is not what I mean. I mean if people are going to complain about someone using 3 or 4 pacifists at a boss that can't be pk'ed then perhaps they should also complain about those that sign onto like 8-10 arches and do the same. Funny how when it comes to a crit that can't be pk'ed, people find something to complain about but they never point out issues that's already wrong.

And in my opinion when you consider those that's at the bosses already, it's not like the pacifists are going to cause too much of an issue. You people are already complaining about a class that's not even available yet and you haven't even seen what they can or can not do. How do you know that even with 4-5 pacifists they'll be able to take the bosses? I mean come on there's how many bosses in the game that dies by healing? You all act like the pacifists are going to take something away from you.

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Bean on 06/23/03 at 02:59:00

Umm dude, thats cause with other classes they still have the chance of dieing...

A party of pacifists, lets say a party of 5+ would be nearly invincible to any monster attack... so they would stand NO CHANCE AT ALL of dieing... therefore they get an easy item if the boss drops...

Whereas If you have a groups of rangers fighters thieves etc. You can STILL DIE/be pked. Therefore anyone who happens across the square can own your ass and take the kill, with pacifists that is not an option...

And one of the most expensive, as well as most aquired items in the game is a monster killed by healing *Im talking of course the spider king* So yeah, they'd be taking something away if you could log on 10+ pacifists and go own a monster that drops an item that sells for 100k+

...

Edit:It WAS one of the most expensive drops...lol

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by WiccanTrails on 06/23/03 at 04:55:33

Look at what's been told of the pacifist. They weild no weapons. Their armor is that of the cleric. Granted they can heal, but that costs mana. Their attacking/healing the undead or spider king costs mana. Whereas the ranger and fighter only require pots to live or a cleric to heal them. Their armor is stronger and they weild a weapon, unless they're totally stupid and fight with their hands.

It's already been said they'll sustain heavy damage when in any sort of battle with a creature. Awww the poor PK'ers of NightMist has a class they can't hurt. BIG DEAL! It just seems to me you people just wanna cry about something and seeing you all only focus on PK'ing in the game, your biggest complaint is for once there's a class you all can't PK. GET OVER IT! I highly doubt people are going to drop their rangers, fighters, mages, clerics, druids, paladins and such and run for a pacifist when you stop and think about it. Yeah, I know there's alot of people that's going to have one but my god. You people act as if this class is going to totally ruin the game. Through this whole discussion, it hasn't been focused on dealing with the boss issues, it's been focused on the PK'ability of the pacifist.

You know what? I applaude Pandilex for creating this class. I think it's one of the few things left with a little sanity. So big deal if a group of pacifists come in and get the sg's or the hally. You think it's going to change anything? You think it's going to change the cost of the items? My god you people really need to get out and get a life! The hally itself jumped from 50-65K to 150K in less than a year. BIG DEAL! It's said, well don't like the price don't buy it. So here's my answer to those of you that want to sit around and whine and cry over a class that you can't PK, don't like it, don't play.

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Despair on 06/24/03 at 06:59:57

on 06/23/03 at 04:55:33, WiccanTrails wrote:

It just seems to me you people just wanna cry about something and seeing you all only focus on PK'ing in the game, your biggest complaint is for once there's a class you all can't PK. GET OVER IT!

It seems to me that you see an opportunity to take advantage of them not being able to be pk'd . . . I don't go to bosses . . . I will when Pacifists are released and if multiple Pacifists are allowed I'll also take advantage of this . . . But I still hope that only 1 Pacifist is allowed to be logged on at a time . . .

on 06/23/03 at 04:55:33, WiccanTrails wrote:

You people act as if this class is going to totally ruin the game. Through this whole discussion, it hasn't been focused on dealing with the boss issues, it's been focused on the PK'ability of the pacifist.

No ones said or acted like this class is going to ruin the game infact Im sure everyone that has posted on this thread is really looking forward to using the new class as it brings a new light to the game . . . And I still don't think it would be fair to people who actually risk taking crits that can be pk'd to bosses when theres a player there with an army of basically immortal crits . . .

Do you think thats fair?

on 06/23/03 at 04:55:33, WiccanTrails wrote:

So here's my answer to those of you that want to sit around and whine and cry over a class that you can't PK, don't like it, don't play.

No one is whining or crying appart from you. I'm not really that bothered either way but I made this suggestion as to me it made sence . . .

You don't agree . . . fair enough you made your point ::)

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by WiccanTrails on 06/24/03 at 18:07:32

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It seems to me that you see an opportunity to take advantage of them not being able to be pk'd . . .

For one I would have to go to bosses in the first place to take advantage of them not being pk'ed. In the past year I've been to three different bosses one time so you can't say that.

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And I still don't think it would be fair to people who actually risk taking crits that can be pk'd to bosses when theres a player there with an army of basically immortal crits . . .

Two, these crits aren't immortal. Every mana using crit has a limited supply. Just because they can't be PK'ed doesn't mean these crits are immortal. And what's the difference between taking a crits that can't be PK'ed and someone logging on his/her army of Arches? Think about that. So you're saying a crit that can't even weild a weapon should be able to be PK'ed? And you're saying because they can't weild a weapon they shouldn't be at the bosses? Wow talk about a controlling, manipulative situation there.

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No one is whining or crying appart from you.

Three I'm not whining in the least. I'm just saying IF you're going to limit one class you need to limit ALL classes across the board. What's the difference between someone signing on 9-10 arch crits at a boss and someone signing on a team of pacifists? Think about it. IF one person ran 9-10 arches they could take just about anyone they wanted if those arches were decently rolled. So those 9-10 arches are no different than the pacifists. And yet you make no mention of limiting ALL classes, just a class you can't PK. So you would rather limit someone that can't PK you than those that can? Talk about a screwed up situation there.

Fact is, limits is needed yes. BUT! They're needed for all classes. NOT just one because poor PK'ers can't kill them. It seems that if someone can't get pk'ed everyone is upset about it. Read the other posts. Read all posts concerning Pacifists. The biggest complaint made is that they can't be PK'ed. Big Deal! People whined about how they couldn't PK below level 5 crits. People whined when they put the ten level difference rule into PK'ing. And now, you all are whining cause they made a class you can't PK.

You're using the fact that they can't be PK'ed as a way to justify the claim "They're immortal" as you put it. Fact is they aren't immortal. They can die just as well. Maybe not from PK happy morons in the game that finds nothing better to do but all the same they can die.

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Lorinel on 06/26/03 at 14:30:59

By limiting it to one pacifist, you screw all of the players that
just so happen to be connected over a network and playing
characters at the same time. We already cant join moshes
together, so why make it worse?

Also, as the pacifist can’t attack, you can go join them at the
bosses, kill the thing quicker. Sure they have a chance to get
the drop, but so do you...Its not like it’s a one team at a time
thing...

Pacifists will be fun if for nothing else, the ability for a new
player to actually have a chance to survive as he gets to
know the game.

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Drake_Lord on 06/26/03 at 21:33:54

My reason for Pacifists bieng only be able to log on only one is because to me, a pacifist is a hardcore roleplaying class that lets you express yourself,a nd your sense of style. Just my opinion. Now if they only had a class that could only pkk and not pk. Oh, that would be sweet! ;D

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Despair on 06/27/03 at 21:46:13

on 06/26/03 at 14:30:59, Lorinel wrote:

By limiting it to one pacifist, you screw all of the players that
just so happen to be connected over a network and playing
characters at the same time.

JLH has said that it will be per machine for the alt limit on pacifists :)

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Dwaerkyn on 07/02/03 at 16:20:15

How about, if there are over 3 pacifists on the square, they can be pked!!!

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Ender on 07/02/03 at 16:22:18

Or not..Stop coming up with useless ideas please :'(

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by Bean on 07/03/03 at 01:06:31

I agree with ender...

The reasons why pacifists are being limited to one per player *Or per machine, whatever* Are very obvious.

Title: Re: 1 Pacifist At A Time
Post by WiccanTrails on 07/04/03 at 19:35:51

Now that makes sense to say one pacifist per machine. But to say you can't be on your pacifist as well as other crits, that's silly and yes, it has been thought of.