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(Message started by: Epic on 05/09/03 at 23:12:10)
Title: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Epic on 05/09/03 at 23:12:10
Not a big deal..just alittle pet peve if you will...instead of having it called berserker i think it would be better if it was Barbarian...maybe thats cause im used to barbarians instead of berserkers from the old nightmist..*shrug*
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Pandilex on 05/10/03 at 00:13:35
The class is not based on barbarians, it is based on berserkers. From history we know these were fighters who were virtually unstoppable, and fought on even with the most horrific of injuries. This is why berserkers have many many hit points. Berserkers also wore no clothing at all to intimidate their opponents and scare them senseless.
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Epic on 05/10/03 at 01:35:10
Oo i see, well thank you for the feedback and not being all negitive and rude about it like most people
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Stotic on 05/10/03 at 17:57:37

on 05/10/03 at 00:13:35, Pandilex wrote:
Berserkers also wore no clothing at all to intimidate their opponents and scare them senseless.

I like that part. :)
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Selene on 05/15/03 at 17:30:00
Agreed.  :P
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Lich on 05/16/03 at 07:41:51
Pandilex where do you get that they were naked. Because you are wrong. Beserker break down Ber= BEAR they got the name BERSERKER because they wore bear skins complete BEAR SKINS. and the fighting skill you talk about, Also earned them the reputation that they could turn them selves into bears. This history where in the Bloody H$%^$^# did you ever get that they didnt where clothes.. points to the post just asking where someone not only posted The meaning of the word Berserker. But also a link to a history site where you can find out alot more.
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Insomnia on 05/16/03 at 10:53:34
Berserker is the name of the roughest vikings (from norway and sweden :)) who spread terror amongst the coastal villages in europe (and they discovered north america aswell, "normandie").

The word "berserker" comes from the old norwegian word "berserkr", and is a compound of "ber", which means bear, and "serkr" - which means coat (just as Lich stated above).

Berserkers wore clothes. I know the history of my ancestors. ;)
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Epic on 05/16/03 at 23:42:22
So therfor, Barbarian would make sense and it sounds better then a berserker berserking....barbarian going crazy..killing many people=he went berserk
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Lady_Maha on 05/17/03 at 04:11:40

on 05/10/03 at 00:13:35, Pandilex wrote:
Berserkers also wore no clothing at all to intimidate their opponents and scare them senseless.

Pandilex, please read my post on Lich's thread "ok, asking staff" because yor information on berserkers, as Lich again stated, is wrong. I posted a link to a website even, that explains the name berserker. They DID wear clothing, which is what gave them their name.
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Nocturnal on 05/17/03 at 09:52:10
Hey! It doesn't really matter if Berserkers don't wear clothes, we finally have a nudist class! Surely that is a win win situation?  :D
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Pandilex on 05/19/03 at 06:03:18

on 05/17/03 at 04:11:40, Lady_Maha wrote:
Pandilex, please read my post on Lich's thread "ok, asking staff" because yor information on berserkers, as Lich again stated, is wrong. I posted a link to a website even, that explains the name berserker. They DID wear clothing, which is what gave them their name.


This is incorrect. They did not wear clothing. The name berserker, despite having several possible translations, was generally agreed to mean 'Bare Shirt' or 'Bare Serk' (Serk being some rough translation of their nationality).
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Lich on 05/19/03 at 11:08:11
Panidlex I dont where you learned to speak Noris but you need to go back there and tell your teacher your wrong. In college I learned a very usefull class for a soldier's. History of war and tactics. My final paper was on Berserkers and the uses for them buy the noris.

NO WHERE in any text I ever read, AND I MEAN NO WHERE. DId I ever see the words although the word BER means BEAR we beleive this to be Confussed with BARE. No History says They were called BERSERKR. This translates to BEAR and Serkr doesn't mean SKIN it means COAT. Show me one text one that says they were naked. Just one because in all the armies and tactics of the past that i have studied i have yet to see one single army. (Save the romans but this was a punishment for slaves) To ever send a soldier or fighting force into battle with no protection at all.
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Astrona on 05/19/03 at 11:12:11
In my history notes somewhere I have a battle like that..I'd have to go look it up. It was on an island I believe..they were being attacked by a much larger force, so a leader had gotten an idea. They died themselves blue..painting their faces hideously..they all hid..and when the army approached..they jumped out..naked..blue..and ugly..and scared the army to death practically..the army never seeing a tatic or nething of this sort ran..a  lot of them leaving their weapons etc behind.
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Lich on 05/19/03 at 11:21:31
Hun that wasn't noris Berserkers...LOL... that was Scotish freedom fighters the army was english...LOL... And they didnt run away leaving everything they just ran away...LOL.. The scots were known to go into battle painted using their blue war paint. But that had nothing to do with beserking or to do with them not normally wearing clothing. But  you did help prove one thing with the words never seeing that kind of tactic before.
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Astrona on 05/19/03 at 11:25:42

on 05/19/03 at 11:08:11, Lich wrote:
Show me one text one that says they were naked. Just one because in all the armies and tactics of the past that i have studied i have yet to see one single army. (Save the romans but this was a punishment for slaves) To ever send a soldier or fighting force into battle with no protection at all.
 :P :P :P :P :P I showed you one! Mwhaha..

So I can't spell..shush  :P Either way..Oh well..I knew there was somethin like that that happened.
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Insomnia on 05/19/03 at 15:24:16

on 05/19/03 at 06:03:18, Pandilex wrote:
This is incorrect. They did not wear clothing. The name berserker, despite having several possible translations, was generally agreed to mean 'Bare Shirt' or 'Bare Serk' (Serk being some rough translation of their nationality).

I don't know where you got all this from, but at least it's funny to read. :)

I guess we're talking about norwegian/scandinavian berserkers, since I don't know of any others. As I already tried to tell you, "berserker comes from the old norwegian word berserkr. Old norwegian is extremely similar to old swedish, and unless the swedish I've learnt since I was born is completely screwed up and wrong, "berserkr" means (once again) "bear-skin/coat".

If you still claim that I'm wrong, then I suggest you to call one of my swedish teachers and explain to them how to use their mother language.
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Insomnia on 05/19/03 at 15:34:51
http://www.reed.edu/~deregtd/history.html
http://www.cyberclip.com/Katrine/NorwayInfo/words/berserk.html
http://www.m-w.com/whist/whisthm.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/goth/bow/bow05.htm
http://www.disal.com.br/nroutes/nr9/pgnr9_07.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/ok/masbah/berserker.html
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Alicia on 05/19/03 at 16:09:20
Sure its bear-skin and not bare-skin...... j/k
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Lady_Maha on 05/19/03 at 19:34:42

on 05/19/03 at 06:03:18, Pandilex wrote:
This is incorrect. They did not wear clothing. The name berserker, despite having several possible translations, was generally agreed to mean 'Bare Shirt' or 'Bare Serk' (Serk being some rough translation of their nationality).


No, my info is not incorrect, yours is. Just look at all the proof posted by Insomnia, Lich and me throughout the forum. I think for once you'll have to admit that you are wrong.
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Stigmata on 05/19/03 at 20:57:03
Sorry but I fail to see what relevance this holds to improving the game?
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Insomnia on 05/19/03 at 21:21:31

on 05/19/03 at 20:57:03, Stigmata wrote:
Sorry but I fail to see what relevance this holds to improving the game?

Someone suggested clothes for berserkers, and Pandilex said no since "they lived and fought naked according to the history books". Happy? :)
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Stigmata on 05/19/03 at 21:33:27
The main perpose of this thread was to get the name of berserkers changed to barbarians.....which I can't see improving the game.

And i'm always happy.
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Insomnia on 05/19/03 at 21:45:39
Pandilex started talking about the berserkes not wearing clothes aswell, and while having the "Ok, asking staff" thread running at the same time, I thought it would be good to remark that his information about berserkers is wrong.
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Stigmata on 05/19/03 at 22:05:33
It may be wrong, but you could argue that about most things in the game.
Berserkers getting clothes isn't really necessary when you think about it, when there are far more important things to be developed and added.

I'm sure Pandilex has taken note of the info you provided though, even though there isn't really anything he can do with it.
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Lady_Maha on 05/19/03 at 23:42:07
The reason we are posting this is because Pandilex has NOT taken the info on berserkers and their clothing, instead he claims that our info, although it comes from many different sources, is wrong.

The reason why we wish to have clothes for berserkers is simple for anyone who knows how to roleplay. We want to keep it realistic roleplay, and naked berserkers simply aren't. Just as it's unrealistic to have people run around wearing spiked armor, yet their bottom part is completely uncovered.

Whether you would choose to spend a few coins on clothing or not, would be up to you, since it would have no relevance in armor, but for those who prefer to actually roleplay instead of just clicking on images to kill, the clothing issue is quite important.
Title: Re: Barbarian/Berserker
Post by Jono on 05/26/03 at 05:16:17
Whats it matter what u call them...It's the same freakin thing it matters nothing what u call them...jeese call them barbarians if u want IT DOESNT MATTER!!!!!!


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