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Title: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Limit on 01/25/04 at 20:06:06 i go afk for 3 minutes on my d**n cleric in windia and it dies of hunger apparently ... dropping my sgs and golden robes... if this is the case and its staying that way... i think im finished here. the power of hunger has been upgraded horribly. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Authority on 01/25/04 at 20:43:41 :D sux :D |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Jurian on 01/25/04 at 20:48:57 on 01/25/04 at 20:06:06, Limit wrote:
woot :D jlh put my suggestion in to make hunger actually do something :D if he did what i suggested the amount of hp hunger takes increases every time it gives you the messages :D goo jlh :D |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Version 1.0 on 01/25/04 at 20:59:50 on 01/25/04 at 20:48:57, Jurian wrote:
* Is clapping at Jurian's performance Good one Jurian .. :D.. I like the idea.. makes you pay attention to your crits a lot more :P |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by alone on 01/25/04 at 21:00:28 Yeah, Aidon said on another post it goes up by one HP loss for every message. Hopefully whoever got your stuff will return it, good luck. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by JLH on 01/25/04 at 21:39:30 3 mins of hunger would lose you 1+2+3+4+5+6 = 21 hp, just what level was this cleric? |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Zephie on 01/25/04 at 21:41:32 kinda strong, i just saw an arch master dwarf thief die from hunger... noone dies from hunger that quickly..come on lol |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Rappy_Ninja on 01/25/04 at 21:44:03 my ranger died from hunger today and one of my fighters did almost too LMFAO |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Vagabond on 01/25/04 at 21:44:41 Im hungry now, but im not exactly gonna die from it withen the next 2 weeks ::) |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Aidon on 01/25/04 at 21:46:01 Test that and get back to us? j/k |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Id on 01/25/04 at 22:38:40 I guess it's because players in this game work too hard...ie..running from city to city in under 1 min :o(that's a lot of work)...and so, their metabolism (wonder if that's how you spell it) speeds up....get hungry faster ;D and so is dying. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Momba on 01/25/04 at 22:46:03 Anyone wanna buy a druid? Great for those snacks on the run. Sorry to hear about what ya lost Ryan. Hope whoever got it gives it back. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Limit on 01/25/04 at 23:32:10 on 01/25/04 at 21:39:30, JLH wrote:
afk 5 minutes of being inactive for 3 minutes or so.. and ive seen alot die... |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Vodka on 01/26/04 at 01:24:53 Ohhh, I guess I will be blamed for this one. I was in the process of re-lvl'ing my cleric... with the equip and stuff being in the inventory.... thinking at the time... it was gonna be like a 'nopk' thing... and what do you know... someone inconsiderate ass... comes along and kills the cleric... equipment was gone...... Ahh, I didn't read the whole enchulata of the thread. That is crap that it'd take away so many hps... not everyone trains with a druid... or trains near a town to feed their crits. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Pandilex on 01/26/04 at 02:08:36 on 01/25/04 at 21:44:03, Rappy_Ninja wrote:
I like that attitude! 8) |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by CPG on 01/26/04 at 02:56:51 on 01/26/04 at 01:24:53, Vodka wrote:
People will now have to take food and drink on long ventures. That is how it should be. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Criminal on 01/26/04 at 04:48:22 if you had to take food and water with you on "long" ventures, you wouldn't be able to take, say mana or pots, with you and it wouldn't be a "long" venture anymore |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Zephie on 01/26/04 at 07:00:36 on 01/26/04 at 02:56:51, CPG wrote:
Why exactly 'should' it be this way? |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Aidon on 01/26/04 at 07:14:16 After someone becoming thirsty and hungry, the went afk to time it, it took 10 minutes, I think that is enough time to notice. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Vagabond on 01/26/04 at 07:59:02 If it's gonna stay this way which it shouldn't, maybe there should be somthing like this... You feel hungry You feel very hungry You are starving (makes a noise) Nah screw it change it back |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Trevayne on 01/26/04 at 08:51:16 For some of us, going AFK for 10 minutes or more happens almost every day. Whether that's because of work, kids, or other real-life committments. Change this back. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Jurian on 01/26/04 at 10:31:20 on 01/26/04 at 08:51:16, Trevayne wrote:
log off? |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Nemesis on 01/26/04 at 13:11:08 on 01/26/04 at 07:14:16, Aidon wrote:
it took them 10 minutes to die? what was their hp...remmeber every alt has diff hp, so obviously its gonna vary due to hp...so for my low levels, they prolly will last 2 mins, if that, n i train alot of low levels, so i cant keep a good eye on em every 10 secs to see if they hungry i say change it back |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Trevayne on 01/26/04 at 14:23:44 on 01/26/04 at 10:31:20, Jurian wrote:
That's not a great option for some of us. I often have to leave the game and don't know whether I'll be gone for 15 seconds or 30 minutes. Most of the time, it's less than a minute, so logging off every time is pointless. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Hexagram on 01/26/04 at 17:17:58 on 01/26/04 at 07:00:36, Zephie wrote:
Because generally when you go to explore a new island or a desert and you Don't take food/water... you tend to die. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by CPG on 01/26/04 at 17:29:31 Yeah...pretty much. There is no definite sense of time in Nightmist, but if your crits are out training in the desert, for hours, they are going to get hungry and thirsty. Unhealthily hungry and thirsty. I think we have all been so ucky that it has taken this log for hunger and thirst to actually reflect some of the actual damage it can really cause. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Adunakhor on 01/26/04 at 17:43:39 Just ask (or pay) a paci to create food/water. My paci would be happy to. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Jurian on 01/26/04 at 17:46:26 on 01/26/04 at 14:23:44, Trevayne wrote:
it takes me about 1 minute to log on 14 alts i don't c the problem |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Charon on 01/26/04 at 17:57:08 on 01/26/04 at 17:43:39, Adunakhor wrote:
Hey, I'm not arguing with this... my paci would make friends with people in no time ;D Similarly you could ask Druids to 'nourish' you and that solves both problems. Or if its just the thirst being a problem, the Cleric can always 'create spring' in times of need Maybe it'll make people be nicer to each other eh? :D I'm a nice person, so I'd be willing to be nice and helpful... but the money might be a better incentive for some ;) But I have to wonder... I know people need pots and all, but it'd take what, two inventory slots ??? Is it really that hard to carry food and water around? |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Trevayne on 01/26/04 at 18:00:22 on 01/26/04 at 17:46:26, Jurian wrote:
Then you're both faster than I am and get interrupted far less. I thought you had left.... why do you care? |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Jurian on 01/26/04 at 18:23:48 cuz i'm still on the forum and i think you ppl whine too much about something as unimportant as this. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Detheroc on 01/26/04 at 18:29:10 As unimportant? Read the thread Jurian. You see the part where level 30s are dying in minutes, due to being hungry? Thats not them whining, thats them talking sense. If you don't agree with it, fine. But theres no need to state your opinion several times on the SAME topic. It just gets annoying. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Jurian on 01/26/04 at 18:47:23 i read the thread and it sais 10 minutes. looks long enough for me to buy some food. or if you go trianing somewhere bring an alt with a food and water inven. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Zephie on 01/26/04 at 19:14:56 on 01/26/04 at 17:17:58, Hexagram wrote:
See, I understand this but making it eat up your hp so drastically is a bit unrealistic.. on 01/26/04 at 17:29:31, CPG wrote:
Ok, but it wasn't 'hours' it was 10 minutes and bam an archmaster with 290+ hp is dies..now THAT doesn't make sense. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Anybody Killa on 01/26/04 at 19:22:04 lol ppl in nightmist complain about everything these days huh? why dont u ppl stop crying and go feed your crits befor they die. Gj jurain and staff keep up the good work ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Detheroc on 01/26/04 at 20:00:40 No, they only complain about something when its over powered, or doesn't make sense. This is true in both cases. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Vagabond on 01/26/04 at 20:23:42 on 01/26/04 at 19:22:04, Anybody Killa wrote:
"Discussion Forum" |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Aidon on 01/26/04 at 20:30:32 It takes 10 minutes for an archmaster to die from full hp, let alone the time it takes to get hungry and thirsty. So it isn't like they are dieing left and right. All it calls for is some attention to crits, if you feel like going afk for while, then go eat before you leave, then ur crit will be fine. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Everlast on 01/26/04 at 23:45:02 how long does it take for hunger/thirst to start in most places? I know thirst is faster in deserts, but i mean just in general..i've never timed it. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by JLH on 01/27/04 at 00:16:06 let's just apply some maths for a moment. every time the message appears, the damage done increases by 1, the message appears every 30 seconds. the first time it appears, no damage is done. after that, the damage done is 1, then 2, then 3. the formula for this is n(n+1)/2 so after 10 30s intervals (5 minutes) you will have lost 10*11/2=55hp (10+9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1). after 20 30s intervals (10 mins) you will have lost 20*21/2=210hp too harsh, maybe, i'm prepared to make it go twice as long if pandilex agrees, ie the damage would increase every 2 intervals, (every minute) instead of every 30 seconds. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Pentium on 01/27/04 at 00:20:31 Phobos, Halfling Arch Fighter with 322 hps, here's the data. The server time (England, GMT) is 00:10:41 on 01-27-2004. You feel hungry. You feel thirsty. ... all the way until Phobos was resurrected here, after being killed by thirst. The server time (England, GMT) is 00:19:25 on 01-27-2004. so it took about 8 minutes and 30 secs or so for me to die. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Stotic on 01/27/04 at 00:27:34 With ^that^ example I lobby increasing it to damage every two intervals as JLH said. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Everlast on 01/27/04 at 00:41:38 Well, I cant really say that I want to post anything against it, simply because of course i dont want my crits to die from hunger, that just sucks..bad, but the way it is is definatly too much damage. I think the time it takes to get hungry should be increased some and the intervals could be changed a little or something...make it harder to get hungry while still having it dish out a fair ammount of damage once a person is hungry. It makes sense for it to do more and more because you get more hungry and weaker, but i dunno...cant say my opinion isn't bias. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by I Am Spethal on 01/27/04 at 01:45:06 Yes I believe it's definitely much to harsh. I tend to get distracted easily and often forget that I have NM running. Such as today I was doing stuff in paint and I come back to find myself in the Boars Tusk after dying from thirst. ^.^ Sure it's funny the first time but after awhile it's going to get annoying. Also I think sitting in one place would get one less thirsty/hungry than moving around. ;) |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Id on 01/27/04 at 02:07:50 say...10% of the current hp (round down)...with that, player can never die because of hunger if he/she stay in town..... if he/she is hunting, it will give them a higher chance of dying. /shrug |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Everlast on 01/27/04 at 06:18:53 That sounds fairly good...but maybe have it start at .5-1%ish or vary due to hp to start and increase as you were hungry longer. Cause hunger starting off by hurting my cleric for 32 and zerker for 53 is kind of harsh imo. Also kind of gives different classes a different type of difficulty with hunger (higher hp makes hunger worse, that doesnt really seem fair either) |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Aidon on 01/27/04 at 06:20:33 Maybe depend on const somehow, beings that would be the main thing effecting how long someone could go without dieing. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Trevayne on 01/27/04 at 09:27:44 on 01/27/04 at 00:16:06, JLH wrote:
You should note that this is the damage that is done for being hungry -or- thirsty. If you are both hungry and thirsty, then twice this damage is applied. Thus, after 5 minutes, you will have lost 110 hp and by 10 minutes you will have lost a total of 420hp. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by JLH on 01/27/04 at 10:34:53 i have halved it |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Eternyte on 01/27/04 at 10:48:45 Maybe rangers/druids can forage for food anywhere. Most parties have rangers and clerics, therefore clerics can create spring anywhere, so let foragers look for food everywhere. This would combat certain disagreements, and offer a form of survival. Forage wouldn't work inside towns. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Nemesis on 01/27/04 at 15:05:29 on 01/27/04 at 10:48:45, Eternyte wrote:
not all parties have rangers...i got no rangers above lvl 17 atm, so going desert for me is a bit of a mission, unless i have a thief covert stashed with food, n use my cleric for water..? hmm, idea |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Id on 01/27/04 at 16:00:01 You hit an orc for 43 points of damage. You killed it! The orc drop an orc corpse. You got the orc corpse. You eat the orc corpse. You feel sick from the corpse, but at least your hunger subside! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Phobos on 01/27/04 at 16:08:48 an orc is like rock, so if you want to eat rock be my guest. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Id on 01/27/04 at 16:11:35 lol basically what I'm trying to say is...let the monster you kill drop its corpse (sometime). You can eat it if you're hungry. The corpse will disappear after ...say.....5mins? or 10 mins? or maybe lesser than that. Different corpse will do one other different things(other than stoping the hunger). Some will make you sick. Some will maybe act as a healing/mana potion. Some with magical property will maybe enhance your stat for 1min or so.... so on and so on...(some meat will be juicy and stop you from being thirsty)....Kinda reminded me of deers --Just a little solution for the current problem :D-- |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by JLH on 01/27/04 at 16:37:40 * imagines a meadow full of slaughtered rabbits |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Nemesis on 01/27/04 at 21:55:35 well the deer is juicy...why you wanna kill the bunnies? they got no meat on em...only fuzz...n well, no-one wants to eat fur all day do they? n i actually took 4 fighters and slaughtered about 700 bunnies one day...took me just over an hour, the meadow was virutally clear =D (i felt sorry for em, always sniffling, i thought they had a cold) |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Id on 01/27/04 at 22:13:34 What's your real name? don't tell me...It's Elmo... ;D "Be weagy weagy quiet, I'm hunting wabbit...Heheheheeee" |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Rattlesnake on 01/27/04 at 23:52:22 You mean Elmer? Elmo is that red thing from Sesame Street. Elmer Fudd is teh one from the bugs bunny cartoons |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Deval on 01/27/04 at 23:59:27 on 01/27/04 at 22:13:34, Id wrote:
Also, I'm relatively sure he said 'Be wewwy wewwy quiet', not 'weagy'... ::) |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Thenobleone on 01/28/04 at 00:25:31 maybe if the interval is increase say every 1.5 min from the time hungery or thirsty the damage increases. but you can live without food for longer then water so maybe the food damage when hungery could increase by .5 but starts at 1 and water would increase by 1 starting at 1. As you can live weeks I think it is 2 weeks without food but you can only live around 3 days without water. This will make it a little more to perspective and make it not as devistating. To even make it more logical if you are hungery and thirsty it will only increase by say around 1.2 every 1.5 min. these numbers could be adjusted just a idea I though of while reading the complaints. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Id on 01/28/04 at 01:32:12 on 01/27/04 at 23:59:27, Deval wrote:
lol...it sound like weagy to me....but oh well..who am I to complain...haven't watch that cartoon for ages. -Elmer season- |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Everlast on 01/28/04 at 04:21:03 JLH halved it, i kind of doubt much else will be changed to cope for the damage. How exactly was it halved is what im wondering. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Jurian on 01/28/04 at 10:06:43 well instead of going up 1 hp everymessage it goes up 1 hp every 2 messages :D |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Oracle on 01/28/04 at 11:17:27 So if for example you have 300hp, at 1 damage per minute (from what I have heard is the current increase of damage rate), it would take 24 minutes for it to kill you. Including however long you have left on the timer before you start getting hungry/thirsty, you'll survive a good while. I don't see the problem of this now? |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Criminal on 01/28/04 at 22:40:48 How long does it take until you get hungry/thirsty from the last time you were hungry/thirsty? does it vary with class/race, is it affected by the area you're in? Say you're in the swamp, it's very moist there, would you get thirsty slower? |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Deval on 01/28/04 at 22:44:29 Don't be daft ::) |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Oracle on 01/29/04 at 08:04:18 I don't know how long the timers min/max is and I think you get thirsty quicker in the desert don't you? Not aware of any other areas. |
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Title: Re: one of the worst changes ever... Post by Jurian on 01/29/04 at 09:26:26 youg et hella thirsty in the secluded desert lol :D |
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