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Title: i suggest a reset :D Post by Jurian on 01/18/04 at 20:46:36 normally it would be some noob that has nothing to lose to suggest a reset but now it's some noob that actually has some stuff to lose. i jsut think the game needs to change. i ahven't seen any major changes to make the game less boring. i'm not try'n to flame staff or anything it's just well i've been doing the same on this game for over two years and i noticed that archmasters aren't as impressive as they used to be. so to make everybody equal again i suggest a complete reset and upping the lvl limit to 100. This would involve alot of stuff to be changed to the game (new areas needed, new armor/weapons and more stuff like that) but i do think the game needs something else then jsut new areas/weapons/spells/pics. a new class would make things different for about 4 months but then the game becomes boring again. maybe i've just been play'n too long or maybe i've just palyed long enough to c this game needs something different. once again i'm not try'n to flame staff or anything because i think they are doing a good job on the game as it is but i just think the game needs a major change to make it entertain us for a longer time. and to the old ppl that are scared about losing their stuff: you got your stuff once and now you hardly use it. you can get it again and maybe even keep using it. edit: and lvl 100 is just a suggestion :D it would jsut take alot longer then a month to get to the max lvl if it would be 100 so it would stay more interesting to lvl instead of pk (atleast i would consider reaching lvl 100 more important then pk'n some ppl) |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by JLH on 01/18/04 at 20:48:51 no |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Snowy on 01/18/04 at 20:53:15 I have something to lose well not that much as u but yeah.. anyways i felt the same thing as u, so i tried to start over give out everything and start with a 6 stat lvl 1... bad idea... :( i say 'yes' give us a reset!! :o :o :o ;D |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Jurian on 01/18/04 at 20:55:57 on 01/18/04 at 20:53:15, Snowy wrote:
well jlh is the boss and he said no :D aaah well yay! less lag. i won't be active till i get bored with this other game (that has 250 lvls and brilliant 3d graphix and 9 dedicated servers) |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Snowy on 01/18/04 at 20:59:31 PM me with its name, if u want some more noobs on it :P. You know u want. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Deathwish on 01/18/04 at 21:13:27 on 01/18/04 at 20:55:57, Jurian wrote:
Ya or... untill it gets p2p becuase Beta Testing ends soon or you get hacked which happened to me. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by prodigy on 01/18/04 at 21:14:51 I dunno if reset is a good idea yet. When all you see is archmasters and experts running around, then it would be much more a priority. Maybe when harabek opens, the change to the game you were looking for will appear. Till then if you are looking to dump some good crits page finale in game :) |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Deathwish on 01/18/04 at 21:16:35 You should know that Jurian deletes crits... he never gives them away. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Jurian on 01/18/04 at 21:18:44 on 01/18/04 at 21:13:27, Deathwish wrote:
i would pay :D less lag :D |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Azrael on 01/18/04 at 21:24:00 This has been brought up atleast 30 times over the past 2 years I've played/visited this site and it's never gonna be a yes unless JLH does it without consideration of player opinion, you should know that by now. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Jurian on 01/18/04 at 21:30:39 well the other 29 times someone withouth stuff to lose suggested. and i keep hearing more and more players say the game becomes boring :D |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Bill on 01/18/04 at 21:35:03 Bullnuts, people with stuff to lose have agreed with the idea in the past, it's not like JLH will listen just because you suggest it. :P |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Kalel on 01/18/04 at 21:43:10 suggesting something big and new like that will never work... just becuse JLH has no real intrest in RPG this is something u will have to do your self, I don't know what he realy wants nm to become or what it is now, but you are in the middle generation of nm wich has no perpous but to be here, no I don't mean this as a bashing twords JLH |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Jurian on 01/18/04 at 21:49:19 actually i talked to jlh and he's planning some major changes hedidn't say what but i suggested some changes and he kinda said those were planned :D (not telling you peeps a thing) |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Everlast on 01/18/04 at 21:52:32 There is something making the game kind of boring to me also now. I don't think a reset can solve that, and making the game have more levels and such just makes it like every other game. I don't see a point in it. I thought if bosses spawned more often and dropped a smaller % of the time it might be interesting, don't know....maybe i should just learn to re-like the game the way it is, i think it is a great game, but playing a game for a really long time will cause it to be old or boring to you...what would you expect? |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Snowy on 01/18/04 at 22:07:30 one alt at time would rule :D like with pacis but on all classes |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Tatsu on 01/18/04 at 23:00:10 i think the game is fine how it is, i enjoy it.....and i think a 1 alt rule would kinda suck and be...well boring if ur not enjoying it, maybe u should join a different clan ;) however i do agree with the 'no respect for archies' thing that jurian said, altho if u were gunna set a limit like lvl 100 u might as well make it unlimited levels....i think adding 2 more levels and one new ability at lvl 32 for each class would do the trick, maybe up to lvl 35, altho lvl 32 would be at 500mil exp, which doesnt take a short amount of time to get :o for example zerkers could get a new 'rampage' ability to replace berserk: Tatsu rampaged at you from his Oak Staff of the Clouds for 180 points of damage, annihilating you! this would be sweeeet :D |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Limit on 01/18/04 at 23:04:14 I think more lvls would be quite good fun. It would be interesting lvling our arches. ::) lol.. Just hope that update comes soon.. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Deval on 01/18/04 at 23:15:57 There is no point having a reset unless an alt limit is introduced, otherwise history will just repeat itself. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Kalel on 01/18/04 at 23:18:21 I await this update to see... hopfully it will get some intrest in playing agine, |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Draloon on 01/19/04 at 00:14:20 It would be great if they brought back old nightmist and gave everyone "their" old characters back, the ones that "they" had spent 5x the time training than in the new one with "their" pitiful lvl 20 zerker. Or give out all the server files and dats for old nightmist so we can have fun :) |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Id on 01/19/04 at 00:21:36 Quote:
heh..sounded like a game I played: Phantasia 4. Player kept on demanding for the old version. Then the wizard started to giving out free source code. After that, clones after clones started to come out killing the game. So really...instead of saving the game, giving out all the file would just kill it (beside...why would they give out the files, which they worked hard for, to those who didn't even took a part of making that files to enjoy and play with, freely??) |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Draloon on 01/19/04 at 00:24:15 It's because there is no chance of them putting up the old Nightmist which pwned this one. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by dognapot on 01/19/04 at 00:33:57 if the game is boring... ah fuck it. a reset is a great idea! it'll be just like that one time where we had a reset and then everything was just peachy keen forever and ever! |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by JLH on 01/19/04 at 01:10:34 the "old nightmist" is technically the same as the current one, the only difference was a much lower playerbase (check the graphs on the website) and definitely a more friendly playerbase! |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Kon on 01/19/04 at 01:41:33 Old nm had much better maps with better descriptions, with enough bosses in ratio to the players. Personally I wish you (JLH) would run the old nm on a seperate server. Shame that'll never happen :'( |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Aidon on 01/19/04 at 01:45:49 Can you reset the player's attitudes? Restart the friendlier playerbase? |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Oz on 01/19/04 at 01:56:47 on 01/19/04 at 01:45:49, Aidon wrote:
Facetiousness is an attitude as well. :P |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Stotic on 01/19/04 at 03:19:35 on 01/19/04 at 01:41:33, Kon wrote:
That is certainly not true. But since when do players read the descriptions? |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Catalyst on 01/19/04 at 04:10:57 I think the way Nightmist used to be is way better than it is now you(JLH) might think its the same but I've played this game for a long ass time and think it is kinda boring now. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Everlast on 01/19/04 at 04:19:46 I noticed a fairly good point...The boss to player ratio thing. I think with the increasing # of players there could be more bosses, or more space. I am not really sure why, but it seems like areas take a really long time to add, Harabec has been in construction since i began playing (i think it was delayed a little by someone i shared with back in the day, but i mean...really..thats a long time). I realize the admins are pretty busy with school and stuff, I am just wondering- how long does it take to add in areas and stuff? I'd just like to have new stuff comming in all the time i guess, but things come as they come, and i'll live with it. Just as a couple of notes- I've played this game longer than any other game i've ever played, D2, PS2 games, SNES games....all that stuff. So obviously the game is very good, and i think that is the reason people get bored with it. We all simply have seen it a whole lot. 2nd note- Ya..area descriptions...i dont read them...or pretty much never do. I'm illiterate though. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by JLH on 01/19/04 at 04:29:36 on 01/19/04 at 04:10:57, Catalyst wrote:
then post what this game is missing that the old game had and i'll add it, because i sure can't remember deleting any code when i did the reset. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Catalyst on 01/19/04 at 04:36:27 Take away the pk restrictions and just make it you can't pk until the crit is level 5. Trash the Pacifist. The way the monsters follow you is something I dont like especially in desert. I just think a reset would be the best idea make monsters a little stronger or something also so it won't be as easy for people to level and get gold and such. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Matt on 01/19/04 at 05:25:26 on 01/19/04 at 04:36:27, Catalyst wrote:
Although I did not play pre-reset (shortly after), i'm pretty dang sure pre reset monsters DID follow you. If I remember correctly, the code stopped working, but recently was fixed. On topic, a reset will not solve anything at all. Like John said, It's all about the player attitude, pre-reset and for a period after the reset the player base was a small group of friends. Now, it's nothing like that. It's really a shame... |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Deval on 01/19/04 at 05:28:06 on 01/19/04 at 05:25:26, Matt wrote:
Indeed they did. 3 Ogre lords in the Temple of Giants anyone??? |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Stotic on 01/19/04 at 06:54:26 Ogre Helms for all! |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Kalel on 01/19/04 at 06:58:33 as I stated before... we are middle nightmist history with no perpous... so if u don't like your perpous then change it make somthing up help add to the game... other wise you have no point to play but to agervate other people |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Sausage on 01/19/04 at 07:01:47 purpose* aggravate* And the playerbase has gotten incredibly horrid over the years. I didn't play pre-reset. But I've played long enough to see the playerbase go to nuts. Oh ya, there's no need for a reset either. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Jurian on 01/19/04 at 08:26:33 on 01/19/04 at 00:33:57, dognapot wrote:
i think if you change the lvl limit and add some stuff i sugested to jlh that's not in this thread it would make a big difference. i think one of the main problems with nm at this time is there is nothing interesting to do when you have reached the maximum lvl. i don't say a reset with a higher lvl limit will solve all problems but i do think it'll make the game interesting for a much longer time. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by JLH on 01/19/04 at 11:49:04 on 01/19/04 at 04:36:27, Catalyst wrote:
the pk restrictions are present to avoid mass slaughtering of newbies, putting them off the game. trash the pacifist? why? monsters have always been supposed to follow people (when the monster has been set to). |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Lowmion1 on 01/19/04 at 12:06:22 previously stated:- i don't say a reset with a higher lvl limit will solve all problems but i do think it'll make the game interesting for a much longer time. The only problem with a reset, is that some of us havnt played for 2+ years and still enjoy the game, a reset would ,(as I'm not yet arch due to the fact my first crit was a mage), be rather off putting and d**ned annoying, However the notion of restricting the amount of alts allowed on sounds good, no offense Jurian as i know that's ur favourite act, All in all though this game is dang good, and the clan I'm in makes all the difference between boredom and fun ;D |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Harky on 01/19/04 at 12:22:15 If the old map was put into the current game, the nostalgia would be there for some of us, but the game would still suffer from the problems it does now, and the only reason is because the game is plagued with the wrong kind of people. As for the areas being worse now than they were back then.. trust me, whichever way you look at it the 'newer' areas that are being released now outshine those from the past easily. Technically the builders have a lot more to play with than they did back then, but it's not only that. A lot more thought seems to be put into most of the areas that are released. I must confess that a few of my areas in the new nightmist were rushed (barracks was supposed to be ten times larger, the mansion thief autoquest was supposedly going to be harder, the routes between the towns - nightmist to arilin were supposed to be a LOT longer, and a few other things I never got to do.) The reason for it was because of the fact the date of the reset was announced beforehand and the players grew impatient because it didn't hit the deadline. I accept the 'days of fun(or free experience/quest items)' for a few weeks before the reset were growing annoying, but growing pressure from the players forced me to somewhat rush most of my areas, except those that were opened after the game was released, and for that I apologize. I built several areas pre-reset, pern valley being one, which is what you all seem to think was the best area ever. Pern valley didn't have the best descriptions, it was the first area I'd ever built and as such a lot about the place was lacking. The only reason so many people went there, and why the game is still remembered, is because it was a town in which pk'ing was possible - it had two bosses at different points (the story was two different factions of undead attacking each other (thus the two tunnels leading through to their lairs..), breaking through into the area, using the town as a battleground. I doubt anyone even noticed that - but trust me, it really wasn't a 'great' area. And to the current builders, I had just as much complaint regarding the areas being released as you seem to be having now with yours. Trust me, if there was a reset and a new map right now, in a few months time all the people that started playing on -this map- will be complaining about the old one being much better, so don't take any of the comments about wanting the old nightmist back as a reflection on your area building skills, because they really aren't lacking. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Tienno on 01/19/04 at 12:55:45 Is there a way we can help jlh without typing everything out to find that it isnt what you were after in terms of new areas? Is it possible to have a program downloadable by all that will be able to give you a brief synopsis of what the area is, give a visual display of the size (like the map program that used to be used) and also give you easy implimentation and editing to finalise way before its implimented. One that can be worked on offline and transfered as an individual file as email to you guys to load up on your program. New areas could then be implimented easily maybe by just uploading the file into the map area and bam the works done before and also possibly offline then inputted easily? Also increasing to a max maybe level 40 as suggested a few times and having extra skills like i put in another post of 'Honor Kills' (Post was Killin Noobs i believe) might evolve the game further and give all something to aim for. Restricting alts isnt something id like to see (Although i dont use alts much).................. Just had an idea? Character restrictions per square in certain areas? ie 20 characters per square in a town 10 characters in a boss area 5 in a woods or small cave area etc if you move onto that square in a party of 10 you run the risk of people getting left behind (Based on random play dropped so that it isnt low or high levels) and the square gives that character a message saying "The Passage is too narrow" or "This town path is too crowded, you cant get through" This would stop parties of 20 fighting parties of 20 mid forrest and also risk that high level chars dont enter the battle etc.......... this stops massive player swoops but doesnt discourage parties training but encourages strategy and thought rather than mindless running. The shear probability risk of running past a party and losing characters could make life interesting. The uncertainty might add some Va Va voom to the game Just a thought Tienno xxxx |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by alone on 01/19/04 at 13:03:53 /t Tienno What about Covert characters? Would they take up room? Also, people could block access to certain areas far too easily, imagine people crowding the sewers and gate in ar, you'd be stuck there for good... Although I like the idea for limiting some areas, areas near towns should be left open. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Tienno on 01/19/04 at 13:18:01 Covert id say wouldnt count neither would staff or invisible people.......... but thanx for suggesting thast as i hadnt considered that. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by pOrKiE on 01/19/04 at 13:19:28 on 01/18/04 at 23:00:10, Tatsu wrote:
>:( Jimmy! I copyrighted that! |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Oz on 01/19/04 at 14:03:39 /t Tienno So then during peak hours when SGH is packed, people wont be able to go south out of town due to narrow passges? I just can't see that. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Tienno on 01/19/04 at 14:21:42 The gate out of town will be a high number of characters per square so people can leave and enter easily but in remote places like small caves or tunnels some times a limit could be set. Thats all i am suggesting. Maybe also base a failed attempt to get onto the square on a attribute so there is a chance when a square is full you can barge through? |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by JLH on 01/19/04 at 14:36:26 the game already supports a character limit on a given square, for example the secluded benches |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Oz on 01/19/04 at 15:02:38 /nod JLH |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Tienno on 01/19/04 at 15:47:40 thanx JLH no need for further comment from me on that one. Unless you wanna add any other bits like limits in other areas....... JLH what about the software to help you out with suggestions easily inputted into the game? |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by JLH on 01/19/04 at 15:58:41 you mean areas? there is already a program on the ftp that staff use for making areas on, then they give me the map file and i add it. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Everlast on 01/19/04 at 16:06:45 I figured out what i need to do maybe--- Go train in desert (I haven't actually 'trained' in a good 6 months) Go to Jungle. Go to Mt. Senant---and actually beat it, haven't ever finished it up there. (sp?) Get a set of lvl 22s and go around gnolls. All areas that I haven't played with THAT much. Jungle i've never played with at all really, the other 3 i have fairly good knowledge of... O, this is kind of a suggestion to older players that are bored, lets all get together parties and go places that aren't your normal stomping grounds. Jurian maybe you could leave the captain/desert and try Mt. Senant (still sp?), it is secluded and decent enough exp. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by alone on 01/19/04 at 16:32:54 /t everlast Hehe, I tried that idea. Actually makes the game alot more fun if you try to 'conquer' given areas with certain restrictions. Places like Natura, Scarlet Daggers, Mount senant (once again, spelling?), Gnoll, Necro Tower.. You get a great feeling once you know you're able to enter and easily control an area.. And no, not control as in kick everyone out.. Control as in complete the given quest and gain a prize. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Smiley on 01/19/04 at 18:16:47 Maybe there could be some other new thing. Not an area or anything, more like an event that all the players can participate in, even newer ones. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Aidon on 01/19/04 at 18:17:33 Like the new event that just started last week? |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Smiley on 01/19/04 at 18:21:01 What was that? I'm kinda new at this, sorry. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Aidon on 01/19/04 at 18:28:10 Basically an alt tournament that is ran by Epic and Zephie. Currently the events that run on a normal schedule are: 1. Drunken Masters- Tuesday 3am server time 2. Alt Dueling Event- Wednesday 11pm server time 3. Champion's Belt Mosh- Friday 10pm server time 4. Triplex event- Saturday 10pm server time |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Jurian on 01/19/04 at 19:58:13 on 01/19/04 at 18:28:10, Aidon wrote:
which are all screwed up times if your not in england or usa and have to get up early. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Zephie on 01/19/04 at 20:37:39 Everlast you had a good idea listing things to do when bored.. I think I'll do the same and hopefully maybe some bored person will follow in my foot steps.. I doubt it though as it's much more fun to complain? ::) 1) Level all characters you have in your account to 30. 2) Start new characters, new classes, different stats. 3) Build low level teams to go to lvl specific areas such as : Natura, Catacombs, Necro Tower, Swamps.. 4) Pk! 5) Level a pacifist, role-play the pacifist, try to assist other players with either protecting them from being pked, or leveling low levels while they train. 6) Collect keys from every monster that drops a key. 7) Roll new characters. 8) Go to bosses 9) Try to obtain rare boss drops by killing the boss repeatedly(i.e captain/hedge/time knight) 10) Play flea market (By this I mean go around selling your boss drop items/keys you obtained) 11) If you trust someone, and they trust you perhaps get some training jobs for extra cash. 12) Join weekly events. 13) Mosh! These are a few I can think of for the moment, lol. In my opinion there are still plenty of things to do in game. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Aidon on 01/19/04 at 20:48:33 Roleplaying is definitly something people could do if bored, beings this IS a roleplaying game :) Very nice ideas Zephie. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Flawless on 01/19/04 at 20:49:23 Apart from a few of those things how are they supossed to solver boredom. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Zephie on 01/19/04 at 20:58:55 by.....doing them? |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Oz on 01/19/04 at 21:19:34 on 01/19/04 at 20:37:39, Zephie wrote:
Wo0t to #4 and... Shame on you for #11 |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Vodka on 01/19/04 at 21:30:34 Too bad you can't do the majority of those... without getting slaughtered. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Tienno on 01/19/04 at 22:21:57 /t vodka amen Reverend |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Deval on 01/20/04 at 00:02:31 on 01/19/04 at 19:58:13, Jurian wrote:
I started lobbying against this more than two years ago, and nothing has ever eventuated, eventually I gave up. Meanwhile, Jen, no offense, those suggestions are fine 'in a perfect world', however, Nightmist isn't a perfect world. on 01/19/04 at 20:37:39, Zephie wrote:
The major ones that come to mind:
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Zephie on 01/20/04 at 00:03:40 on 01/19/04 at 21:30:34, Vodka wrote:
See that's not exactly true..take Jurian for example..he's like every pkers dream..about 15 alts, usually has gold on him yet he manages to get his characters to 30, why? because he finds good places to train and avoids the pkers. Do the same and you will succeed. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Vodka on 01/20/04 at 00:58:12 Yeah, that's IF I could log onto that many alts. Not everyone thinks that... pk'ing is neccessary.. more like fed up. Do you know how hard it is to find a spot... where there isn't someone trying to pk you..?! I haven't trained bigger alts in years due to it. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Zephie on 01/20/04 at 01:39:21 It's quite easy actually.. Maybe you just aren't looking hard enough. Anyway like I said previously..those are just a few of the things I do in game in order to keep myself occupied on morts. You don't have to listen to me. They were just suggestions. :D |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Id on 01/20/04 at 04:19:06 lol..I'll be lucky if I can log on 4 alts without my comp completely crashing down on me just wait until I get my new comp...I'll show those pkers how ...."Un -nooblike" I can be =P (and maybe pk a few for myself hehe - naw I'm nice trust me ;) ) money would come a lot faster too :D |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by TheUnholyNewt on 01/20/04 at 10:08:49 Quote:
It's actually quite easy and I've only been playing for a week, I've found a perfect spot quite close to Nightmist that is brilliant for training, although I won't tell you since everyone will start going there. Just exert some effort and actually look instead of pregnant doging about it, Pk'ers can't be everywhere. --------------------------- If people who have levelled to 30 are bored can't staff make a few areas that only lvl 28, 29 and 30 can enter and have specific quests in those areas that only someone that skilled would be able to accomplish. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Tienno on 01/20/04 at 10:21:06 28 to thirty areas i think are a great idea........ mainly cos everyone in that area is fair game for pking, its gonna be good for gold and exp for level 28s and also it could turn into the turfland for warfare all those power hungry people would love........... ill get right on designing it......... thanx for the ideas there guys. it'll be huge it'll be worth it, it'll be where the big boys go to play. Tienno |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Tienno on 01/20/04 at 10:22:14 ps ive found somewhere to train and its not usually somewhere people bother me, it may take a little longer but its good gold and exp and im doing ok out of it. Tienno |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by TheUnholyNewt on 01/20/04 at 10:25:43 Quote:
Thank you, thank you. Dave bows before everyone in the room |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by alone on 01/20/04 at 10:49:41 Only problem with an area like that, is that the balence between them being too hard and too easy is very fine. If it's made for a set number of arches to be able to complete the area, add a couple more crits, and the area's already very easy, you need some sort of variable difficulty. Possibly something which works out how many characters are entering a grid, and then allocates a number of monsters specific for that party? Example: You went east, upon reaching the area, three more guards have rushed in. - For a party of three crits. If you design an area like the Gnome Caves, it's great, unless you only have afew characters in the party. The best idea is to have set levels.. Say, first floor = level 28+ second floor = 29+.. And then only archmasters may enter the lowest floor, with it being much harder than the others too.. Another problem, is that with the added difficulty of the area, people will want there to be a great reward from it.. But doesn't that just increse the gap betwee rich and poor? Those who can afford a load of characters and those who're new and may only have one archmaster character. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by TheUnholyNewt on 01/20/04 at 10:58:08 You could set that particular area for no alts or a limited number of alts, or as you said, have a grid restriction so only a certain number of crits may be on a square at a time. Only design the areas for a few crits, I mean you aren't going to have many people with hundreds of archmaster alts. People shoudn't expect a larger reward than normal, it is reward enough that they get a specialised area to train and battle high-level crits. They shouldn't complain especially when the staff would go to a lot of trouble to design this area specifically for them because as you said the line between hard and easy is fine, it will take a large effort to define that line. The players should be grateful, not complaining because they don't get enough gold. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by alone on 01/20/04 at 11:04:01 If only it worked that way. Someone will always find something to complain about though. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Tienno on 01/20/04 at 11:06:39 If it becomes a mass burial ground for egos then thats reward enough. Im also think of an open style area but have certain squares that can only have like 3 characters on but make it random along those rules so that random running away during battle is going to cause chaos, with the area being so large it will be hard to define what each square is going to have as a limit, traps everywhere etc etc. There will be bosses and things to do but the main idea i was going to design was going to be mainly as a gangland area. The rewards will be good enough to entice but only the hardest and the most intelligent fighters would succeed. As for the gap between rich and poor, as with life the gap is only such because of 70% hard work. Im not saying all money and crits have been gained lawfully but most have and the way to better yourself is always to work hard and play harder. Effort rewards effort and money breeds from money. I aint rich but i have enough to get by and based on my time available to play im happy ive done my bit those who can spend hours logged on are bound to be richer and have more crits and to those i say well done as time spent = reward its as easy as that. Sorry my posts seem long winded some times but i like to make sure my point is clear. Tienno xxxx |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by TheUnholyNewt on 01/20/04 at 11:44:10 Quote:
People complain a s**t load now so it wouldn't make any difference then would it. --------------- To expand on the massive gangland idea there should be towns where pking is allowed in the streets, since there aren't newbies running around then it shouldn't be a problem, although there should be at least one town that is safe. But in the others your free game, one minute doing some shopping, the next minute lying face down in a pool of your own blood, should make life more exciting wondering who is just innocently walking the streets and who is going to pk you. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Version 1.0 on 01/20/04 at 12:55:11 That would not work. Some people will go to buy a item.. Maybe and expensive one.. Then get pked.. Maybe 1 city that you can pk in.. Not all but one.. What about trades? Maybe you trade a crit with somone for a halberd then they have a team of 10 Arches pk you and get there Halberd back? The idea 28+ Place is great.. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Aranious on 01/20/04 at 15:29:04 on 01/18/04 at 21:30:39, Jurian wrote:
every game will become boring if you play it long enought so quit complaining |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Jurian on 01/20/04 at 15:30:12 on 01/20/04 at 15:29:04, Aranious wrote:
i'm not complaining but this and some other suggestions i made to jlh might make in stay interesting for more then 2 years. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Smiley on 01/20/04 at 22:34:11 About the pk in town thing, I agree that it shouldn't be in all but one city but shouldn't thieves be able to steal in towns? I mean in real life theives and pick pockets don't just steal outside of town. Just a suggestion. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Id on 01/20/04 at 22:47:42 I suggested this before.... ...bang your head on the wall until you get amnesia or something...after forgetting everything about nightmist - maps, monster, items, how to level-- start out fresh. I call that a mini-player-reset ;D ;D just an innocent suggestion lol...pwease don't fwame me :D |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by TheUnholyNewt on 01/21/04 at 00:40:05 on 01/20/04 at 12:55:11, Version 1.0 wrote:
But that just makes it even more exciting. It would make things realistic, because stuff like that did happen. You buy something expensive and the shopkeeper notices you have a lot of money, he'll send thugs after you once you leave. And it encourages you to make sure you have adequate protection when trading, or trade in a safe area. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Version 1.0 on 01/21/04 at 13:11:32 on 01/21/04 at 00:40:05, TheUnholyNewt wrote:
.. Then I want a Body Gourd or something... Or atleast make it to where shops and pubs are safe.. I just don't like the whole Idea.. If you don't find the game fun anymore help change it.. Learn how to code or whatever and write a map |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Tienno on 01/21/04 at 15:21:39 Ganglands aint safe anywhere thats the idea, where in the bronx can you go and do things safe?? the answer is wherever you have massive ammounts of backup! this area is designed to be high risk but high reward. any staff like this idea shall i actually go ahead and design it? |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Jurian on 01/21/04 at 18:08:22 i suggested massive pk areas where if you get killed there is a chance that you lose armor and items and stuff like that. would be interesting to combine with ganglands :D |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by AfterMath on 01/21/04 at 21:44:15 i think they should do reset too ;) then noone would be perm banned nemore, thats why he wont do reset.... |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Version 1.0 on 01/21/04 at 22:32:23 I suggest that the old map come back up and the new map go away.. |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Id on 01/21/04 at 23:15:31 bring back the pointy stick!!! >:( |
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Title: Re: i suggest a reset :D Post by Deval on 01/21/04 at 23:47:14 Pointy stick was r0x0r. |
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