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(Message started by: Jurian on 11/27/03 at 20:18:31)
Title: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Jurian on 11/27/03 at 20:18:31
Ok i decided i would make a beta file of what i'm working on for with the nm helper so ppl could comment on stuff before i finished it so it would be easier for me to modify.

beta and version 1.0 are on.

http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/ted.zaat/helper.htm

and plz shut up about it beeing good. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S BAD ABOUT IT! i don't care if you like it or not! jsut let me know how i can make it better. AND DON'T SAY FINISH THIS AND THAT!
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Nocturnal on 11/27/03 at 20:58:51
Morning Star on a Pacifist?

Oh and can you make the interface much more appealing to the eye?  ;)

Otherwise it's very good. (Impressed by the Very fast transfer rate, 25.0Kb - 33.0Kb on Dial-Up.)
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Jurian on 11/27/03 at 21:01:05
gah just copied the cleric stuff :S forgot paci's can't use weapons :D

tnx lol
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Drake_Lord on 11/27/03 at 23:44:23
Jurian! This is cool! You should put what areas to level up at. You have no idea how many times since I luv my newbs I hear "Drake, where do I go to lvl" and im like uhh I dont know I dont do that class etc etc. Would be a cool addition!  ;D
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Medora on 11/28/03 at 15:42:12
Library info for Spider Staff:
Base damage: 7, Can be used by: clerics, druids, mages, paladins, rangers


Its not on all the classes that can use it.


Needs added to the weapon info of clerics, druids, paladins
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Jurian on 11/28/03 at 18:55:17

on 11/28/03 at 15:42:12, Medora wrote:
Library info for Spider Staff:
Base damage: 7, Can be used by: clerics, druids, mages, paladins, rangers


Its not on all the classes that can use it.


Needs added to the weapon info of clerics, druids, paladins

only put it in if it had a higher base damage then other weapons for that lvl
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Nemesis on 11/28/03 at 22:09:33
Steel Bracers for druids under Equipment ;)
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Jurian on 11/29/03 at 16:58:44

on 11/28/03 at 22:09:33, Nemesis wrote:
Steel Bracers for druids under Equipment ;)


also for clerics and paci's :D

it's in now the file has been updated :D didn't get to that spiderstaff yet :D it's in the enxt update though just havn't uploaded that yet.

site has been changed to http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/ted.zaat/helper.htm
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by alone on 11/30/03 at 13:38:55
Found a mistake..

Paladin's level 29, you forgot to enter they can wear Baron's Bracelet's... :)
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Jurian on 11/30/03 at 14:22:02
fixed.

now i'm basically waiting for jlh to ahve some tim to give me a list with info on items and spells and stuff like that.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by alone on 11/30/03 at 14:53:13
I asked Aidon before, and he didn't know of a list, nor was he sure staff would even give one out, if there was such a thing..

So good luck with it.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Jurian on 11/30/03 at 16:13:45

on 11/30/03 at 14:53:13, alone wrote:
I asked Aidon before, and he didn't know of a list, nor was he sure staff would even give one out, if there was such a thing..

So good luck with it.

jlh said he could get the server to generate a list. and he'll only give stuff like name, base damage/armor and lvl to equip and all

just like /library but then for everything i think. not sure lol :D
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Sera on 12/02/03 at 04:21:18
Yer link doesn't work btw...


and I don't see "great axe" on there anywhere
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Jurian on 12/02/03 at 08:05:50

on 12/02/03 at 04:21:18, Sera wrote:
Yer link doesn't work btw...


and I don't see "great axe" on there anywhere


didn\t consider it worth using so didn't put it in :D
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Sera on 12/02/03 at 20:39:22
Worth using or not, it's still an equippable weapon. I figure if you are going to make a program telling people stuff they can use, why not tell them everything?

If you're going to do something, do it right, and do it all the way. :)
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Mephistroth on 12/02/03 at 20:49:28
I'm not sure if the spell descriptions are actually that useful.. personally, I think it would be better to remove the proper descriptions and just put in what it actually does. Instead of saying 'oh, you can attack things with this btw. just not underground' actually tell them the damage, if its worth buying and what problems there are.

For grasping vines you said 'not worth buy'n! SW is better!' what exactly is SW? As far as I know there is no alternative spell for grasping vines...
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Sera on 12/02/03 at 20:57:47

on 12/02/03 at 20:49:28, Mephistroth wrote:
For grasping vines you said 'not worth buy'n! SW is better!' what exactly is SW? As far as I know there is no alternative spell for grasping vines...


I agree, don't put your own opinions in it, or the people who use it will be biased. Make it factual. I've noticed your great hatred for pacifists, but other people don't hate them as much as others. Let them make their own decisions on what items to wear and spells to have.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Angelus on 12/02/03 at 21:25:22
I don't think you ppl get the whole picture here. He made it cause he liked making it, he doesn't care if you download it or not...if you don't like what he put, don't use it.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Mephistroth on 12/02/03 at 22:23:03
He wants our opinions, so were giving them. Were not being rude or anything, just suggesting ways in which he can improve it. I don't see how he would have a problem with that.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Angelus on 12/02/03 at 22:28:02

on 12/02/03 at 22:23:03, Mephistroth wrote:
He wants our opinions, so were giving them. Were not being rude or anything, just suggesting ways in which he can improve it. I don't see how he would have a problem with that.


Don't you think he knows that you ppl don't like the fact that he hates paci's and puts it in his program. He's looking for words he spelled wrong, or stuff he forgot. But nvm, suggest what you like...
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Mephistroth on 12/02/03 at 22:30:36
All were trying to do is improve the program... if he doesn't want to listen to our opinions then thats fine, but i'm not going to keep quiet just because you asked me to.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Angelus on 12/02/03 at 22:54:38
I never ask i command or simply tell...
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Stotic on 12/03/03 at 00:39:39

on 12/02/03 at 21:25:22, Angelus wrote:
He made it cause he liked making it, he doesn't care if you download it or not

I'm sure his main intention was for people to download it so that his program would not go to spoils and I'm sure he's open to criticism to help him provide a better program to Nightmist's users.  I doubt anyone would do it for kicks.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by I Am Spethal on 12/03/03 at 04:33:40

on 12/02/03 at 20:49:28, Mephistroth wrote:
For grasping vines you said 'not worth buy'n! SW is better!' what exactly is SW? As far as I know there is no alternative spell for grasping vines...


SW = stormwrath
How exactly are grasping vines and stormwrath related???
And I actually think grasping vines are worth buying.  It's useful for trapping prey.  :D  I think you probably ment to have that description just on jolt and it somehow ended up on grasping vines...
Maybe you should note that stoneform is better than thornshield since you have the comment for the offensive spell...

Also, under nature's fury you have... "this is a cheaparse (read worse) version of stormwrath" ... this is a bit misleading because they both do about the same amount of damage only NF costs more mp and works underground.

I also agree with what mephistroth said about the descriptions.  The /library ones are often long, vague, and hard the understand.  And, as much as I love the sarcastic comments it would be easier if you just flat out explain what the thing does in plain english.

Despite these little things I think you did a really good job. ^.^ It just needs some tweaking.

Edit:  You should add the mp cost on there.  http://www.geocities.com/vampyrdarla/spelltable.htm
(yeah yeah my descriptions are bad too... making them better would involve more time and effort than I have)
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Jurian on 12/03/03 at 06:07:44
the sw part thingy was just a bad copy and past from my site it's been allready fixed in the ebta i think :P

edit: my program even contains spells that aren't in the game yet and yes i'm adding spell cost allread (putting the ebta with it online alter today)

it's not like i do everything in a few secs it takes a while to change everything. you ppl are lucky i ahve a nasty back injury that gives me time to actually make this.

and why are you making such a fuss about it alex? i thought you didn't play?

edit2: thing is i put the descriptions there cuz i don't exactly know what all the spells do. but look at paci's spell i put in there what it does. but atm descriptions aren't my main concern.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Eiements on 12/03/03 at 07:28:16
ok you need to add quest/event items maybe have a little tab for them or just add them to the type part of equipment
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Jurian on 12/03/03 at 09:11:30

on 12/03/03 at 07:28:16, Eiements wrote:
ok you need to add quest/event items maybe have a little tab for them or just add them to the type part of equipment


they will be in the armor sorted by type later on in the game.

same with the other items mentioned in this thread that i think aren't worth equiping or are not accessible to noobs.

the armor by class part only contains armor i think you should buy or equip. more will be added later
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Angelus on 12/03/03 at 12:46:12

on 12/03/03 at 00:39:39, Stotic wrote:
I'm sure his main intention was for people to download it so that his program would not go to spoils and I'm sure he's open to criticism to help him provide a better program to Nightmist's users.  I doubt anyone would do it for kicks.


I made one just for the fun of it, deleted it tho...
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Jurian on 12/03/03 at 14:58:32

on 12/03/03 at 00:39:39, Stotic wrote:
I'm sure his main intention was for people to download it so that his program would not go to spoils and I'm sure he's open to criticism to help him provide a better program to Nightmist's users.  I doubt anyone would do it for kicks.

actually i just wanted to fool around a bit with vb and didn't know what to amke so i made this. some ppl actually enjoy spending 30 mins to figure out they missed a . somewhere :D i do enjoy it when i tried alot of things for hours and finally get the program to work. if nobody uses the program i would still be making it.

i made the program into what it is now cuz pp ldid use it.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Mephistroth on 12/03/03 at 15:39:38

on 12/03/03 at 06:07:44, Jurian wrote:
and why are you making such a fuss about it alex? i thought you didn't play?


Well.. if I play or not doesn't really make any difference to new players does it? If they download this then I expect they want a reliable source of information.. which means you need to actually back up your opinions with facts, and, imo, you need to go into greater detail on the spells. If you don't want to thats fine, but it was just a suggestion that went way out of hand because of Angelus and his pregnant doging.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Angelus on 12/03/03 at 15:41:22

on 12/03/03 at 15:39:38, Mephistroth wrote:
Well.. if I play or not doesn't really make any difference to new players does it? If they download this then I expect they want a reliable source of information.. which means you need to actually back up your opinions with facts, and, imo, you need to go into greater detail on the spells. If you don't want to thats fine, but it was just a suggestion that went way out of hand because of Angelus and his pregnant doging.


I simply stated that he didnt care, you're the one making a big deal out of it...
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Mephistroth on 12/03/03 at 15:42:29
*sigh* go read your posts. I still stick with my comment.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Angelus on 12/03/03 at 15:44:33

on 12/02/03 at 21:25:22, Angelus wrote:
I don't think you ppl get the whole picture here. He made it cause he liked making it, he doesn't care if you download it or not...if you don't like what he put, don't use it.


My first one, like i said i stated that he doesnt care. You're the one that replied and made me have to reply again...
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Id on 12/03/03 at 19:21:52
shouldn't there be a section about the bonus of each class/race?
like halfing get +7 armor....half-elf get +6 armor ...gnome get 5% bonus on defense against spells (I think)....or druid (was it?) get bonus on damage in forest area....stuff like that.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Metatron on 12/03/03 at 19:31:39
it might be nice to have an enter stats section thats spits out what class it should be, would put an end to all thoes need class help plz threads but it might be a bit hard to code.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Id on 12/03/03 at 19:45:05
not that hard...but sometime, you should let the newbs think for themselves.  After they read about what each stat does, they should have a good idea of what they're looking for.

btw...did jurian, I think wis affect how well those enhance spells work (divine prapyer, holy speed, blah blah...)  
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Jurian on 12/03/03 at 19:52:30

on 12/03/03 at 19:45:05, Id wrote:
btw...did jurian, I think wis affect how well those enhance spells work (divine prapyer, holy speed, blah blah...)  


i think not :D
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Jurian on 12/03/03 at 19:52:45

on 12/03/03 at 19:31:39, Metatron wrote:
it might be nice to have an enter stats section thats spits out what class it should be, would put an end to all thoes need class help plz threads but it might be a bit hard to code.


think that's personal.
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Vagabond on 12/13/03 at 00:20:03
;D posting so clannies can find it without looking back a few pages
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Dank on 12/13/03 at 08:20:46
I Don't see Christmas Blade, Rune Blade or Rune Staff...
Title: Re: NM Helper 1.1 beta
Post by Jurian on 12/13/03 at 12:11:36
i know, i'll finish it when i feel like it really lol.


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