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(Message started by: Pandarus on 08/19/03 at 09:07:55)

Title: Reset?
Post by Pandarus on 08/19/03 at 09:07:55

I do not understand, what is the concept of this so-called reset? Only to be due to the fact that a few items were sold for real money?

For the past month or so now I have been hearing that Pandilex has been wanting to reset the game, and now I find it no more than just an excuse to blame people selling items for real money just so that there is a "real" reason to reset.

And then I ask myself, say the reset occurs, what good does it do? Who's to say that the first lvl 30 character, or big item will not be sold for real cash? Who's to say that this won't happen again? What then, stop the game completely I would suppose? If you think into it enough you will see my questioning. Yes, it will take time for level 30's to appear, but those who don't want to train, mixing with those who need the extra bucks, the trades will commence.

I also have been keeping track of the posts under Pandilex's thread, and he said that purchasing items for real money from the game, produces a negative effect and disrupts the balance of power and the nightmist economy, how? Other than the fact that staff aren't the ones recieving the money, there is no less gold or crits on the game. People have quit yes, but how many more a week start playing. And as for balance of power, what is that supposed to mean? That only certain people are allowed to be ''the best'' and have the most? If other people are willing to give up some of their power to benefit another, WHO CARES? Not to mention that a lot of people have gained ''wealth'' in the game by recieving things out of kindness from others that quit the game. How is this any different? Will you now threaten to ban people for giving their things to friends when they quit?

Once again, it seems that certain people aren't considered the best players in the game anymore and so let's reset because it will make everything better. Well, reality check, that it won't.

Also, if you follow the posts in the thread "Possible Reset" I see saying, from that point on if you purchase items in game for real life money you will be banned. As this rule came into effect I only question why is it that the buyer is the only one threatened to be banned, when the seller is just as guilty for taking up the other end of the deal. You can't ban one and not the other.

And to all the people wanting a reset and saying that this is a good thing if you analyse the situation 90% of them are ex-nightmist players, or people who don't really have much.

This post is not to bash staff, nor to is it to say that staff's decision about selling items for real life money will result in a ban is wrong, this is JLH and Pandilex's game, and we will abide by whatever rules they set out, but, when this rule was first applied in my opinion it should have been applied in a more professional, and thought-out manner, perhaps a system message saying off-game trades are not permited and will result in banning, which would include for IRL money, other game items that are non nightmist related etc.

My advice to people who want to purchase items or crits for real life money (since the new rule is in effect) is hand over $50.00 buy EQ and do it where it is permitted.

A final thought for you all:
Just think, take all the nice crits you have, that you refuse to sell even for an over priced bid. The crits you have rolled, leveled and used. All the items you worked for, rares, the exp, pks, special questies etc.
Now, think of them all gone.
Think of sitting for hours rolling, *while doing petty annoying math probs* rolling, rolling, and trying to get your names back before someone else takes them. Then leveling, everything from scratch once again, no high level healer, no gold, no items, no clan *well, til lvl 10*, the fact that gold is even harder to get, monsters are harder, areas with good exp are for higher levels, arenas for low levels have LOWERED exp, monsters follow on every square, which makes the good exp monsters harder to train off of. Just a few final thoughts.

Title: Re: Reset?
Post by Freya on 08/19/03 at 09:24:36

I have to agree, and it's not a biased choice either. I don't want to see all the things I have disapear, and I don't think a lot of our friends do either, and you also have to think of people who are just starting who don't want a reset, people who are just starting to get a hang of the game and now people want to jerk it out right out from under their newbie feet, it's a little unfair.

I think maybe if this situation would have been nipped in the bud when the very first off game trade for real life money had taken place then other people wouldn't have thought it was okay, and noone would have went about doing it. If staff would have said from the first time it happened *and they KNEW* then a lot of people wouldn't have done it, and none of this reset talk would be taking place.

Or, maybe it would, maybe staff would find another reason to reset, maybe this time for people giving up their items to people when they quit, I'm sure that really puts a crimp in the nightmist economy as well now wouldn't it? I see no difference.

The way I see it is, if you want a reset fine, but don't blame it on people for doing things that they have seen ex-staff, and other people do, especially when people have set the example that it was okay to do, and that staff has not said one word about it until now. Not until the word reset is brought into it.

And if the reset thing has been a topic of interest to certain staff for sometime now, why wait til now to bring it up, is this the only reason there is? Is there no better reason to do it, I don't see how nightmist's ''economy'' is any different than that of any real economy, if it takes a hit, it fixes the problem and tries to bounce back. Not to destroy itself and uproot itself. The only time that happens is when the economy is totally frozen and destroyed. This is not the case.

If these so-called problems were to stop now, due to the new bannable offense for trading offline for money, I don't see how the so-called nightmist economy would not bounce right back to where it was.

Nothing is perfect, not in real life, or on a game, there is no such thing as a utopia, it's a pleasent idea, but it will never work. And as far as I see it, if not this, it will be something else later on. And if there is a reset, there will be a different problem, reseting solves nothing. I think dealing with the problem, and taking better precautions against future problems is the best solution to everything, reseting does not guarentee that this will not happen again. Anyone can keep a secret. You can't keep tabs on everyone's crits and gold, and if it's not made public how do you know if it's going on. It's just one of those things where if noone would have said anything or let it be known that it was happening, noone would have ever known or be any the wiser. Kinda like the U.S. government just for example.

But that's my opinion and everyone's got one.

Title: Re: Reset?
Post by Roc on 08/19/03 at 15:10:14

Both very well spoken and thought out options. Now can we let this topic die. As much as some of us would hate a reset, even quit playing if it happened. There is not 1 single thing we can do if Jlh and Pandilex decide they want to reset it.

So let the sleeping dog lay and enjoy what we have. If they choose to reset the game we will deal with it then. Until then why waste another moment even worrying about it...

Title: Re: Reset?
Post by Pandilex on 08/19/03 at 15:14:35

TY for restarting a locked thread.

I don't care that no-one trusts me or has any faith in my decision. Whatever you say is wrong, only one or two of the more intelligent players understand.

Remember Rule #2.

I've been in circumstances where I get abused in the past for my decisions, yet a few weeks/months down the line, turns out I did the right thing along...