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Title: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL FARE! Post by Genocide on 07/29/03 at 15:11:17 ok here is the deal i've just had my vault jacked by a founder that ws made founder by my chairman... he went in my vault and cleared it out.... he admitted to doing so.... and sed he did take the keys and stole from the clan bank... but because he is a founder in the clan he has access to OTHER peoples vaults and i was told you can change the mumble to sum1's vault walk in take a few alts to and fill them up with the stuff you worked/bought wateva to get.... they can walk out and admit it to all the staff inagame and say what he stole and when... and he wud get away with it because he was a founder... so say he just stole 500k cash order x3, 2 BoT, cobalt and walk up 2 any staff and say i just stole this and staff wud do nuthing and then they cud leave clan go sumwhere else do it agen.... here is proof... Ambassador: THEFT IS ALOUD IN A CLAN Aidon: if u are founder then yes Ambassador: ok then ill go steal it all Aidon: may not make it morally right, but right within matters of the game i didnt steal anything and that shows that staff say its ok to steal from ppl's vaults.... i'd just like to hear what the ppl of nightmist would think about this matter seeming its now ok to steal... this also leaves the ability for a chairman to make a person founder just to steal.. or another founder to do so... before leaving clan |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Lady_Maha on 07/29/03 at 15:20:33 Yes, founders have the power to steal from the clan's members if they have a vault, however, if any founder in our clan was caught doing this, it would be an immediate removal from the clan. That's why we only promote people we trust 100% to founder status. I am pretty sure that none of the founders in Broken would ever steal from our members. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by KasumiFire on 07/29/03 at 16:10:56 But Aidon just said that stealing is OK. That doesn't sound quite right to me. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Artemis on 07/29/03 at 16:26:21 It's not that stealing is 'OK'.. it's just that if you promote someone to founder then they are your responcibility. You knew the risks you were taking and if you ask me its careless because your not truely thinking about the clans safety what-so ever. It might be a case of theft and the thief may be at fault for stealing but who's the smart guy who gave him all the privileges to begin with? Why should staff have to help you when you knew the consequences you'd have to face to begin with? For example... If you let your new neighbor whom you barely know borrow your car and he totals it in an accident from drinking and driving who's going to catch hell from your parents, him or you? If you wouldnt have lent him the car, it would still be in one piece. ;) |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/29/03 at 16:32:59 err..funny...then why do we have member vaults, cuz its not the members fault that the chairman promoted someone. And did u really lose all that stuff of was it just an example, and nice Aidon, good way to encourage theft |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Vodka on 07/29/03 at 16:35:40 on 07/29/03 at 16:26:21, Artemis wrote:
The blame would be on both of us.. when coming to my parents. Your best bet is to make your own little vaults like I do... so there's no hassle and accusations made when something comes up missing. Just grab a low lvl (4 preferably) and put your stuff you'll need onto that crit. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Roc on 07/29/03 at 16:35:49 Aidon didn`t say it was right. He said it was right within matters of the game. Folks this is a game of mistake, trust, lies, greed, power, etc. I think the point Aidon was trying to make it that once again a player or group of players made a bad decision. It is not his job nor any other staff members job to get your stuff back. A decision was made by your chairperson to make this person a founder. As a result you got took. Who should assume responsibilty? In my option it is the chairperson or the group who voted the person founder giving him the power to change mumbles and access others vaults. I hate that ya got took. But it is a part of the game. Read the forums, everyday someone gets a clan stolen or items taken. There are players in this game who are just down right nasty. Just as in life there is good and evil. The only advise I can give is to learn from it. Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by KasumiFire on 07/29/03 at 16:37:13 As we all know, many young, impressionable people are out in the world playing this game right now. I know that a lot of them pick up things they have learned from this game and apply them to real life. Whether it be something funny they heard in friend chat, or a way to finance their money. How I see it, some individuals will take this into literal meaning and not trust anyone in real life, which would be a sad thing. It's human nature to trust people and to try and do good. You all might think this is bs, but I urge you to take the time and actually think about it. It's possible and it happens. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/29/03 at 16:38:24 Seeing as u only now the ppl ingame and not irl, u can never really trust someone, so why do we even have clans if its so easy to screw someone over. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Lady_Maha on 07/29/03 at 16:45:31 There are some people you can trust, and some you can't. The chairman's job (and in Broken's case also that of the founders) is to decide who is trustworthy enough to be made founder. Nobody can "buy" foundership, as so many lower rank clans do ("join the clan, donate 50k and we'll make you founder!") for that exact reason. When you buy a vault in your clan, the only people who will have access are you, anyone you give the mumble to, the chairman and the founders. If you do not trust all your founders, don't buy a vault, use other crits for storage, or buy a 1 room clanhouse with your alt that only you own. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Artemis on 07/29/03 at 16:53:43 on 07/29/03 at 16:38:24, Outsider wrote:
Probably because nightmist was created for Roleplay, I don't think JLH and Pandilex expected every other player to be power hungry and try their best to steal someone else's goods. But unfortunately this is the main goal for alot of people who play.. and it isn't all that easy to screw someone over, its easy to BE screwed over if your gullable enough to trust every lary curly and mo who comes along. Just do what lady_maha suggested and you won't have these problems. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Genocide on 07/29/03 at 16:58:36 Ok, the orginal post was by my best mate irl, so now this is the Real Genocide speaking. Firstly the items he said was an example, but a good one, u buy a vault as a place to put your precious items as u think, oh, with a vault my items are safe if i die or whatever.Put you in a new members shoes like Outsider said: You just joined a clan, you are a NORMAL member, in your bank you have enuf gold to buy a vault. so you do. you as a member have no control over who is a founder or who is not. It isnt up to u if they are trustworthy or not. As an example: The chairman knows the founder irl, but irl the founder and chairman have an argument and the chairman kiks the founders Ass, in payback the founder desides to destroy the clan, he raids the clan bank, and strips every vault in there. All yo items go missing, your BoTs, Cobalts, Money orders, and in total u lose about 15mill gold. How would u feel, so ou go to staff saying they stole, they admit it, and the staff say, oh dear, well YOU shouldnt have made him founder, if you didnt trust him, but hold on....you had no control over who was founder. and u just lot 15mill gold which u had been saving you whole nightmist life. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/29/03 at 16:59:59 Im not talking about the chairman, im talking about members, how do they know if they can trust a founder, and maybe if they arent on the chairman makes a new founder and he'll get ripped. And ppl can suddenly change and go in a rage and boot everyone and maybe even steal all, and how would a simple member protect himself from all that. Simply dont join a clan. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Artemis on 07/29/03 at 17:14:25 or dont use clan vaults |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/29/03 at 17:16:47 Ppl who dont know about this will still use them, i wouldnt even think of it if it wasnt for Genocide to post, so remove them from game or attach a little message with how staff thinks about inclan theft. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Pandilex on 07/29/03 at 18:08:09 I'm impressed that so many people are starting to understand the position we're in. Obviously we'd love no stealing at all, but people give their passwords out, perform trades with no staff, and make people founder who they barely know, and expect us to save the day by searching through logs for hours on end and questioning various people involved. We can't do this and improve the game because we do not have time. Recently we've been enforcing these rules whereby you stick to the rules or staff does not help. It's given lots of time back to improve the game. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Genocide on 07/29/03 at 18:20:56 ok im not the real Genocide im the victim... the thing i was also annoyed about was that the guy admitted stealing my things when i wasnt online... and all you can say is that its my chairmans fault the guy admitted doing it stealing my things and yet u listened to him say it and u let him get away with it so any1 and every1 will take advantage of this.. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by JLH on 07/29/03 at 18:31:54 they can only take advantage of you if you let them. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Game Over - SykoNinjaPhreak on 07/29/03 at 18:36:11 I agree with JLH, if you take certain percautions like Maha has suggested you shouldn't have any real problems. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Genocide on 07/29/03 at 18:36:57 how did i let them cause they have access to my vault with my consent or not.... cause of course its my fault cause i made them founder(nope) and i had a choice (nope).. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Zylia on 07/29/03 at 18:40:22 You could've left that clan if you didn't trust the founders/chairman. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Genocide on 07/29/03 at 19:11:36 this is the real Genocide: i cant believe that people are sayin Craig LET Unholysoul take advantage of his vault, our chainrman spoke to us and he said that he trusted unholy, and we believed him, but even so, Unholy stole something and what does the message say in bright red when u log on??! anything bein cought stolen or later traced is a PERMANENT ban what, and this is different?? the way i see it, Unholy stole and staff know that so, Pandilex: you wont have to go searching through logs all day, because he admited it. He said himself that he did actually steal from the vault, other people (like craig) in our clan, had no control over who was founder, we did not know he was gonna steal, but it was still theft, and should not go un-noticed. Especially if he admited dong it |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/29/03 at 19:12:44 on 07/29/03 at 18:31:54, JLH wrote:
Lol, someone can be a founder for over a year and be well respected, and read this and see that staff couldnt care less, and start stealing from the clan bank and the vaults, cuz they arent doing anything wrong anyways. Edit: and its more the other way around, they can only take advantage of us if you let them. If u would just say that they get banned when doing so, then i doubt anyone would steal, but ur actually saying its a part of the game. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Stotic on 07/29/03 at 19:30:22 Stupidity is not sponsored by Nightmist game staff. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/29/03 at 19:33:46 Obviously it is, looking at u, anyways no point in arguing with staff, its just one more messed up thing in NM. Edit: then why do u get banned for stealing at a trade, isnt that a matter of trust also, its ur own fault if u traded with someone and he stole it. U just shouldnt have trusted him. So no point for staff to overlook. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by KasumiFire on 07/29/03 at 19:38:05 You could even just pretend you'll do something about it instead of telling people they won't get punished for it. False laws works better than no laws. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/29/03 at 19:39:45 Exactly my point, this way ppl will just go around and steal cuz staff say its okey, damn thats pretty messed up. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Stotic on 07/29/03 at 19:55:28 It's allowed, not promoted. We can't deal with every kind of theft. It is rather annoying. You create a clan, you choose your leaders, you choose your fate. It's not our fault you chose the wrong person so we aren't inclined to fix it. Trading is entirely different. I scratch my head on how you can compare there. Don't insult the current system without knowing the mechanics of it. And I'm sure you'd adore to post another 'complaint' post. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/29/03 at 20:04:54 Yup, its not a members fault either, its the chairmans fault so anyways why dont u just make it that a chairman can lock a vault, so no founder can change or remove the mumble. Edit: why do all staff think were talking about teh chairman, its a simple member who gets to lose his stuff, so instead of saying the chairman chose the founder so its his own fault, i dont see how that would help a member with a solution. Seeing as he doesnt get to choose the founders. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Zylia on 07/29/03 at 20:13:31 If you seriously don't trust leaving your items in a vault, you should consider making a vault crit. Most players don't have items that they really need a vault for. I've seen many that just hold a hundred pots/crystals and/or one-two rare items. Not really worth worrying about eh? |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Stotic on 07/29/03 at 20:37:21 Then it's the members fault for joining the clan. Bluntly simple. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/29/03 at 20:41:29 Then whats the differents with trading chars?? Isnt that also just ur own fault cuz u shouldnt have traded with someone who was going to steal. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Zylia on 07/29/03 at 20:44:53 The difference. Staff say 'Never trade without staff' when it comes to a trade.. When it comes to clan, their motto is 'Trust your founders, cause we aren't taking resposibility for your mistakes.' |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by KasumiFire on 07/29/03 at 20:51:20 And what if they do trust their founders and still get ripped off or whatever? Sorry if it's a mistake for being human, I guess i'll go die now. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Sera on 07/29/03 at 20:53:09 It is not the fault of the staff that your chairman/woman made this person a founder of the clan, nor is it thier fault yer stuff was stolen. Why not take this up with your Chairman? Staff has been saying ever since I started playing NM, that if a person is promoted to founder in a clan, and that person robs the clan blind..there is nothing they will do about it. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by PureMourning on 07/29/03 at 20:58:21 Is that concept truly that hard to understand? |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by KasumiFire on 07/29/03 at 21:12:25 You're right, Sera, that it is not staff's fault that those items were stolen (unless they were directly involved). It is also not the member's fault for trying to find a safe place to put his stuff and having it stolen. Now, I don't know how you can say that staff have been saying that ever since you started playing. From what I remember, they would go out of their way to recover stolen items or characters. Now it is just a hassle to them and they would rather not deal with it. But yeah, Outsider is right. No point arguing anymore. More theft will occur and there will be no safe way to interact with any person in the game. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/29/03 at 21:13:20 Myabe change it then, and u all agree with it now, nut when it happens to any of u, u will go on the forums and whine about it. Anyways now everyone knows what to do when ur chairman is going to sell the clan or if u just need some extra cash. Maybe u can even ask staff to tell u the fastest way of doing so. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by PureMourning on 07/29/03 at 21:44:56 It's happened to me, I didn't complain. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Mip on 07/29/03 at 22:14:51 I don't understand how you people can cry to staff members whenever something goes wrong. Aidon never promoted stealing. He said it was morally wrong. You cannot expect a staff member to change someone's morals! Staff members are not our mommy's and daddy's; they cannot be always keeping a watchful eye over us nor can they be there all the time to teach us right from wrong! If a player decides to "Join the Darkside," what can you do but except it. Mistakes were made and the victim and the purpatratory will never be able to take those mistakes back. It is better to move on. Holding on to old grudges can only lead to more vexation and pain and suffering, not only to you and the victim/agressor, but to those around you. Also, before you begin to tell me to "STFU! you dumb nOOb" and "You have no clue what you are talking about" let me asure you that I have put myself into the shoes of a victim. I can imagine seeing all my hard work and effort being lost almost effortlessly to one person. I can understand your frustration and fury but acting on those feelings in a negative way WILL NOT AND CANNOT BRING THOSE THINGS BACK!. It is better to move on and become a maturer, less naive person than to be consumed by desire. We don't need anymore Captain Ahab's in this world. ...Furthermore, to all you would-be thieves out there, let me ask of you one thing. Before you steal and get that sweet, sweet vengeance you long for or to obtain that power you so utterly "deserve," ask yourself if you really want to go through with it. Is it truly worth tearing down friendships and forever renouncing yourself as a thief? P.S. all you corrupted minds out there should really listen to those songs of the 60's....remember those one's that talked about (free ;))love and peace? If only we could live So happy together... ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Zephie on 07/30/03 at 01:04:34 Although some of the staff may not agree with the rules set by our superiors regarding theft, they are the rules and we must follow and enforce them. Stealing isn't right in anyway shape or form, and on that note I'd just like to vouch for Genocide when he says Unholy confessed to his crime, he did in fact do so.. His dnd message was set to "I robbed ure vault :D" I hope this experience makes you think twice about who to trust with your items/gold. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Wacko on 07/30/03 at 01:08:17 any way i gave it all back and ure not aload to say stuff like that jen! |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Zephie on 07/30/03 at 01:12:00 Why not..lol |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Genocide on 07/30/03 at 13:55:55 hey bun u didnt give it back i had to bribe u and then i screwed u over for revenge cause u admitted and because u had a silly little founder by ure name u got away with it even tho u confess so the only way i was going to be happy was revenge.... so bad luck and staff this was nothing to do with trust THIS IS TO DO WITH HIM ADMITTING THE THEFT he actually sed he did it so why shud he be aloud to walk on another day knowing he can do it agen agen agen.... as i no he is a founder in Abyss(watch out guys) no safety from this kind of theft.... and dude ALL would meen 7 keys hmm i had to bribe u 2 give 3 back and when i booted you after trying to steal from clan bank agen... you sed u were hurt because u didnt get what u wanted with my stolen things... i really wud like to swear here but i cant u really need to grow up and <insert words here> |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Roc on 07/30/03 at 13:59:01 on 07/30/03 at 13:55:55, Genocide wrote:
SO after all the pregnant doging about being fair and stealing is bad you in turn screwed him over... And the drama we call Nightmist goes on. Two wrong never make a right. Everything you posted before this last post is just meaningless garbage now that you have stooped to his level. So who can we trust now... |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Genocide on 07/30/03 at 14:06:26 because staff didnt do anything about it after he sed he did it.... and hey i didnt and wont do it to any1 else i did it to make myself feel better about being let down by the PEOPLE IN CHARGE of the game... the staff are there to make law and punishment so the game runs smoothly but they have got bored of their job and made some quick rules up which wud work and would have been right in the case but he admitted to stealing.... thats the part which needed acting upon... |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Aidon on 07/30/03 at 14:13:21 This crap you call "staff's fault" is absurd. Its called the blame game and you are very quick to jump into it. The fact is YOUR chairman was dumb enough to make someone who is NOT worthy a founder, plain and simple. You know what the rules are on this game when you agreed to play it (for free). In doing so you gave up your rights to pregnant dog about them. You say you do it because staff let you down, well it wasn't staff, it was your chairperson who obviously doesnt know who to put trust into. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Genocide on 07/30/03 at 14:14:01 Ok, every1 posting this goes on about trust but the original post was about theft and as i sed the last post, HIM ADMITTING IT, so, if you had just done a trade with some1 and they stole u go to staff and say he stole from me, the person says "yes i stole and i loved it :P HAHA" u would ban him so how is this different, he has said that he HAS stole, admitted it, so why the hell arent u doing anything its not about trust its about owning up and admitting he stole, he is lafing now, sittin at home laughing at me because he has my items (museum keys, 4 of em, with is about 160k at least if i sold them) which to me is alot of gold i can make about 200k per trip to zeum, so that about 800k i could have which he has got!!!! it makes me mad that staff do nothing wen he confessed to doing it. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Aidon on 07/30/03 at 14:15:27 How can you steal something that was given to you?? Being founder means you are given access to all vaults, tyherefore your vault was given to him. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/30/03 at 14:16:35 We know, so ever thought about changing it... |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Genocide on 07/30/03 at 14:19:46 now listen i dont care about the fact my chairman made him founder im annoyed about the fact of that i was offline he walks into my vault steals my things next day he admits it and say oh u were founder OH THATS OK THEN U CAN STEAL! wtf is right in that... its just like theft in real life if someone were to walk into ure house take ure things then admit to doing it because ure part of the council and u have access they wud get into trouble any person in this game atm could walk into someones vault and steal their stuff and walk up to the staff and say "i just walked into so and so's vault and stole all he had" the staff wud go u were founder yup my m8 gave it me so i cud steal all the stuff... oh thats ok then... have fun thats the part im annpyed about nuthing to do with trust its the way ppl are aloud to get away with things... |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Genocide on 07/30/03 at 14:21:33 SO WHY IS THERE A MUMBLE ON THERE TO TAKE THE **** cause its not actually gonna do anything to MY vaults safety which is also his cause he is a founder... so change it to make the game betetr or just remove vaults... |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/30/03 at 14:23:35 /nod genocide If u rent a house, that doesnt mean that the person that has rented it to u can clear ur house anytime he wants. I added that cuz u staff always liek to bring in rl |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Aidon on 07/30/03 at 14:24:24 irl, if you gave a key to a safe you had to someone, then they stole everything out of it, and you went to the cops, they would laugh at you. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Genocide on 07/30/03 at 14:28:46 i dont believe they wud because if u dont break and entering into a house u still own the conents of the house and so they wud have to make them give it back or arrest them for theft anyway... and hey if th person confessed to stealing th stuff u think the cops wud laugh at u then? |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/30/03 at 14:29:26 Not here, we werent all raised in the Bronx, and even if they did, then they would jail the one that has comitted the crime. Especially if he goes around telling he did it. Edit: the bank has my money, cuz i gave it to them, but that doesnt mean they can just steal it and get away with it |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Lady_Maha on 07/30/03 at 15:47:14 I must admit it seems to be a bit unfair that someone who openly admits to stealing appearently can't be forced to give things back. However, those are the current rules, and unless the head honchos change those, staff can't do anythig about it, so don't go blaming them. Instead blame the person who is responsible for giving the thief access to your vault. I know if one of my clannies got robbed like that, I would do my best to pay him back out of my pocket, since it is partially my fault that it happened (partially because all the rest of the founders vote on other new founders as well), and I am sure other clannies would skip in to replace the stolen stuff. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/30/03 at 15:51:18 Thats why im wondering, why dont they just change the rules. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by ChaosHound on 07/30/03 at 16:21:47 if you are caught stealing, or if the theft is traced back to you, you will be banned. isnt admitting to a theft equalivant(sp?) to getting caught? Just my two cents! |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Nikki-NY on 07/30/03 at 17:17:46 I'm a 'country girl'... the way we do things is, screw the law & take care of things ourself.... I say we get all our archys & pk him so bad, he leaves the game.... It's time we. ( the players in the game) teach some lessons... <shrugs> I hate thiefs!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by JLH on 07/30/03 at 17:28:49 Another reason is that myself and occasionally pandilex do not have the time or patience to deal with these issues, other people can't be hired to deal with them either since the logs are on my server, and very large so inpractical to share, and also contain all the passwords and stuff so i'm not going to give them out. When nightmist had a smaller userbase, it was easier for us to help you, and we did, and if you'd noticed, updates were taking longer and longer to happen because of it. Now, you don't get the help you want when it is your fault because we don't have the time, and due to this, we now have more time to make a better game. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/30/03 at 17:35:58 k i can see that, but what do u need to check logs for, he admitted to have stolen those things. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by JLH on 07/30/03 at 17:40:59 founders taking things out the clan vault/bank? he was allowed to, he's a founder |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/30/03 at 17:44:13 lol, to the beginning again. Then change the rule or remove member faults, or at least put a little message besides the vault that staff couldnt care less if a founder or chairman cleared the vault. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Aidon on 07/30/03 at 17:46:37 Why does there need to be a message, it has been that way since I started playing the game. You make someone founder theyhave acceess to everything. There doesnt need to be a label, or are you one of the people that cause the need for warning labels such as "Dont iron clothes while on body" or "Superman costume doesnt give you ability to fly"? |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/30/03 at 17:51:44 Cuz u ppl are all against theft, even the message says so when u enter the game, but this type of theft is allowed. Anyways, maybe ill just play this game by trying to get to founder and stealing from clans over and over again, seeing as its just a part of the game. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by JLH on 07/30/03 at 17:54:15 if you did that, hopefully people would learn to take more responsibility |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Aidon on 07/30/03 at 17:55:57 Wouldn't be the first player who did so, preying on other's idiocy seems to be quite popular. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/30/03 at 17:56:07 especially the noob clans, who have no idea about this, i can just join theire clans and prolly be an instant founder. Even if they dont have much gold in the clan bank, hitting like 5 noob clans on a day would give me some pocket money anyways. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Despair on 07/30/03 at 18:13:35 I don't see why this argument is carrying on . . . Its been made clear if you don't trust someone don't make them founder . . . If you trust your clan & your founders then use your clan/personal vault . . . . Many clans have both clan and personal vaults and have had for a long time without any theft at all . . . why's this? because their founders are 100% trust worthy End of the day if your personal vault/clan bank gets stolen from it's not staffs fault nor their responsibility . . . Blame your chairperson and ask them to re think their choice of founders |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Outsider on 07/30/03 at 18:15:41 And who will help the noob that doesnt know anything about this. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by ChaosHound on 07/30/03 at 18:24:44 on 07/30/03 at 17:54:15, JLH wrote:
HEHE I kinda like this idea, teach through dirision.... |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by deSade on 07/30/03 at 19:19:31 Strikes me that even though he admitted to theft, technically he didn't 'cas founders can't rob their own clan vault, so no foul. Plus you got your stuff back and your revenge so whats the problem. As a noob I bought a room left stuff there and lost it at the next update. I was annoyed but at myself for not finding out more about what I was doing. Then I just got on with it. |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Wise_Crack on 07/30/03 at 19:29:50 I've never been a founder in any clan before ;D which is good because ppl wouldn't blame me for any good/bad thing that ever happen to their clan /wave desade "sup .... :D" |
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Title: Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F Post by Alicia on 07/30/03 at 23:53:06 We tend to avoid all these problems by not having founders... |
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