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(Message started by: alone on 07/17/03 at 18:00:45)
Title: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by alone on 07/17/03 at 18:00:45
My friend asked me to post this, since there are no staff members currently on line (or they won't answer his yells) and he doesn't have a forum account. He is Tukwut ingame.

I have found two major flaws in the Pacifist system.

Flaw one: They ignore having to kill monsters to pass. This means that they can go all the way through certain areas without having to kill a boss or whatnot and get the item with virtually no work at all. Prime example is Zanitos. They can go straight through!

Flaw two: Also involving ignoring killing monsters to pass. They can get out of certain traps with monsters in them, or squares they aren't meant to get out of. The monsters in these squares will then follow the Pacifists out and be able to roam freely through the realms. I saw the Vinewhip Troll running loos yesterday and Zephie had to come kill it. I saw it running loose again today, as well, due to a Pacifist dragging it out.

Please, fix these as soon as possible! Otherwise Pacifists will be used as tools of unfair play!
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Mephistroth on 07/17/03 at 18:04:16
First one isn't a problem, how are they supposed to get past a monster without killing it? I thought the whole point of this class was to be able to survive on its own, how are they supposed to do that if they can't pass monsters?
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Jurian on 07/17/03 at 18:06:15
lol you know like going to dg you have to kill 5 or 6 demonics first before you can go there. why would a pacifist be able to pass them withouth having to kill them while other classes can only pass after they are killed?
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by PureMourning on 07/17/03 at 18:11:39
Not sure if this was mentioned any where, after you use Recall it doesnt tell you that you have moved. Has this been fixed?
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Jurian on 07/17/03 at 18:13:08
showed me my deity took me somewhere

but for the first bug it's good as it is cuz otherwise pacifists would for example never be able to reach desert and some other areas.

second bug i talkied to jlh he said:

JLH:
the vinewhip troll has a 40% chance to follow, it should be 0

so guess he'll fix that soon too :D
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by JLH on 07/17/03 at 18:13:23
it says "You chant to your deity and are recalled away!"
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Mephistroth on 07/17/03 at 18:39:13

on 07/17/03 at 18:06:15, Jurian wrote:
lol you know like going to dg you have to kill 5 or 6 demonics first before you can go there. why would a pacifist be able to pass them withouth having to kill them while other classes can only pass after they are killed?


That's pretty much the only area they can get through.. How the hell would a pacifist kill a granite beast? It wouldnt.. therefore there needs to be some way for them to pass.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Jurian on 07/17/03 at 19:30:19
read my second post and the other was an example of a place where you have to kill monsters to get past :D
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Mephistroth on 07/17/03 at 19:35:53
Pacifists can also walk through the demonics, kinda cool ;D
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Bernard on 07/17/03 at 23:17:33
While my pacifist can still walk past Zanitos, I get stopped by Mutant Maggots in the sewer drain.  Is this intentional?
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Bean on 07/17/03 at 23:18:56
for releasing the tortured essence of the Skeleton, your Deity grants you 0 hp.


Has happened 10-20 times when i was killin monsters... and I DIDNT have full mana.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by JLH on 07/17/03 at 23:24:03
you mean hp?
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Bernard on 07/17/03 at 23:38:34

on 07/17/03 at 23:18:56, Bean wrote:
for releasing the tortured essence of the Skeleton, your Deity grants you 0 hp.


Has happened 10-20 times when i was killin monsters... and I DIDNT have full mana.


I have also seen this happen.  It occurs when I have full hp but do not have full mana.  I'm guessing that the code that provides the bonus first randomly determines whether HP or MP will be restored, selects a random amount of HP/MP to restore, and then checks against the character's maximum HP/MP.  Perhaps the code could be altered to always restore mana when the pacifist has full HP and vice-versa.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Bean on 07/18/03 at 00:13:09
Right I meant hp... lol.

But yes i just had it occur where I had full hp but not full mana and it insists on giving me hp.... Shouldnt your diety know what you need?
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Jaded_Soul on 07/18/03 at 00:33:22
Don`t know if it is a bug, but I have over 12 hours game time and haven`t been hungry yet.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Sausage on 07/18/03 at 00:34:57
You've prolly leveled up though. I think they changed it so when you level up you also refresh yourself.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Jaded_Soul on 07/18/03 at 00:45:55

on 07/18/03 at 00:34:57, Sausage wrote:
You've prolly leveled up though. I think they changed it so when you level up you also refresh yourself.


My last level up was many hours ago. Kinda strange I thought.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Sausage on 07/18/03 at 00:49:57
Hmmm, I dunno then. I seem to be getting hungry and thirsty though.. (Not that it's a problem.)
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by PureMourning on 07/18/03 at 01:40:25
I meant, my local was Boars Tusk, and I used Recall and It didnt say I was in Boars Tusk, I had to hit "enter".
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Sausage on 07/18/03 at 01:43:12
It does that for me too... Not a biggie the way I see it. But it would make sense for it to appear.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Sausage on 07/18/03 at 01:55:50
Just had it give me 0 hp when I needed some mp.. It's a little irritating. But just a little.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by PureMourning on 07/18/03 at 02:30:40
Also, on Pacifist Update thread it JLH said.

For every 10 gold you tribute to your deity, you get 1 hp and 1 mp restored.

When you tribute gold it only gives you MP, not HP.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Desolation on 07/18/03 at 04:44:15
I dunno if this is a bug but i know 2 pacifists that are in a clan, i had one in a clan till i reset it
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Stotic on 07/18/03 at 04:56:28

on 07/18/03 at 01:40:25, PureMourning wrote:
I meant, my local was Boars Tusk, and I used Recall and It didnt say I was in Boars Tusk, I had to hit "enter".

I told pandilex that the descriptions didn't show up on recall.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Pandilex on 07/18/03 at 10:09:09

on 07/18/03 at 02:30:40, PureMourning wrote:
Also, on Pacifist Update thread it JLH said.

For every 10 gold you tribute to your deity, you get 1 hp and 1 mp restored.

When you tribute gold it only gives you MP, not HP.


I altered this, and a few other things after they were added.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by -Gaddy- on 07/18/03 at 10:31:07
Is it a bug that they do not have to kill Zanitos to get to the SoF cause some people were giving chase a lot of crap about that in game.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s) RE: Necromancer Area
Post by Zephie on 07/18/03 at 11:00:38
(RE: Necromancer Area )

Apparently walking through an area and picking up the reward for defeating a boss without actually defeating it is 'not' a bug if you're a pacifist..

Regardless of whether or not it's a bug it's still unfair as you are being rewarded for doing absolutely nothing..so this hopefully will change soon.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by -Gaddy- on 07/18/03 at 11:03:42
lol chase did get the SoF btw  :) there is no way for a pacifist to get one otherwise..and technically if you're a pacifist you wouldnt be able to get one any other way except site, no ability to get one in game w/o having a friend hand one over cause you cannot log alts on and stuff...i c why it'd be unfair...but really..the other person there complaining about the "bug" had just done the same thing..had they not?
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by eddie on 07/18/03 at 11:18:23
looks like this new class isnt working out very well...
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Pandilex on 07/18/03 at 11:23:39
I've fixed the Zanitos problem.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Selene on 07/18/03 at 11:25:50

on 07/18/03 at 11:18:23, eddie wrote:
looks like this new class isnt working out very well...


What do you mean..?! I know tons of people who love it. Ever since they came in.. I've been on my Pacifist more than my main crit. This class is just challenging is all.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by eddie on 07/18/03 at 11:26:01
thats good .. i dont want to be the only in the game without a SoF  :)
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Exor on 07/18/03 at 11:26:35

on 07/18/03 at 11:23:39, Pandilex wrote:
I've fixed the Zanitos problem.


Can Pacifists heal it then now?
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by eddie on 07/18/03 at 11:27:06
can anyone heal zanitos?
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Zephie on 07/18/03 at 11:56:59
lol, I really don't find them all that challenging, in fact they seem to be quite easy to level.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by -Gaddy- on 07/18/03 at 12:11:18
far easier than any class ive ever lvled before..including powertraining thieves.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by eddie on 07/18/03 at 23:17:47
hey does that mean that pacifists can just walk past mumble keys?
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Bernard on 07/18/03 at 23:25:48

on 07/18/03 at 11:23:39, Pandilex wrote:
I've fixed the Zanitos problem.


It seems that the fix is to not allow pacifists to move past Zanitos until he is dead.  Because pacifists have no way of damaging Zanitos, it seems that this just makes that square a death trap for pacifists.  I would think that a better solution would be to not let pacifists enter that square at all.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Sausage on 07/18/03 at 23:27:15
Or just be smart enough to not enter the square in the first place.....
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Pandilex on 07/19/03 at 00:13:06

on 07/18/03 at 23:25:48, Bernard wrote:
It seems that the fix is to not allow pacifists to move past Zanitos until he is dead.  Because pacifists have no way of damaging Zanitos, it seems that this just makes that square a death trap for pacifists.  I would think that a better solution would be to not let pacifists enter that square at all.


Have you been to the area? You'll see it's nothing like that.
Title: Re: Pacifist Bug(s)
Post by Dissension on 07/19/03 at 09:58:16
I agree with Zephie, easy to level.


And they are boring as hell. And Ruin Demonic General.


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