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Title: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by ICP on 04/18/03 at 08:03:06 Ok i have noticed a few little thefts hear and there and they have all bin taken care of people have goten gold/crits/money back...Few weeks ago i was hacked all my Crits deleted and i lost 4 crs, 7 mill , 2 aoh and 3 sgs. i talked to JLH for a few days then he Restored my crit after that we talked for a wile prob around 4 days cause i needed my items/gold back . Then one day he Tps to me saying all my items/gold were droped infront of the illuminati clan house and people picked it up i forget the on name of the person but he said he picked most of it all up (he was in there clan) . He then said he can not give me these items back and nor did he know who stole them. i find it hard to see how he cant give me what was mine back and do a ip search of who logged on my Crits..i am posting this now because i keep seeing people reciving there stole items/gold back. Now with such a big loss of mine why didnt i recive my gold/items this took place on April 2nd all im asking if for what i worked hard for back :'( |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Zephie on 04/18/03 at 08:37:17 You recieved your crits back, as did Baha/Res/Newb. His items have yet to be returned. Remember staff do NOT have to help you, because it was your fault to begin with. Be thankful you got your crits back. For more information regarding character thefts/item thefts : http://www.nightmist-online.co.uk/nmsite/theft.html |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by ICP on 04/18/03 at 08:46:39 its funny how Staff say its my falt , i DO NOT take files from people i dont not know and only person on aim i acc files from is you jen no others but Family. and its possable i can be hacked threw JLH's server..and my friend that shared his acc got his things stolen and Stotic gave him is gold back and he GAVE out his password i was hacked... |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by wonderful_nightmare on 04/18/03 at 09:33:44 dude jsut be glad you got your crits back. you could have ended up having nothing. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Zephie on 04/18/03 at 09:47:15 Most of these people did not accept files either, they went to a website and were told it was a 'chat' program. The website then downloaded the trojan or whatever to their computer. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Kazuya on 04/18/03 at 09:55:26 is there anyway to prevent yourself from being hacked :P |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Uncensored on 04/18/03 at 10:14:04 on 04/18/03 at 09:47:15, Zephie wrote:
NOT! Minion1 told me on aim that he sent keyloggers. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Oblivion on 04/18/03 at 17:10:08 on 04/18/03 at 09:55:26, Kazuya wrote:
Yes, don't accept files from people unless you 100% trust them. Don't go to sites, like geocities or places like that and download stuff.. Greatest ways to get people to go to a site and download trojans, would be things like, Free porn movies, chat programs, hacks for games, free things for games, free programs, and etc. And programs threw mail. And make sure you have a nice, kept to update virus scanner, and I would go and get a pure trojan scanner also.. Not 100% effective, but better then none.. Firewalls can help a some too.. Most common way people get trojans, if they go and download suposeingly hacks for games like Free Ith maker for Diablo2 LoD or files from people they don't really know. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Currupted on 04/18/03 at 17:13:41 Isn't this just a case of "Don't accept candy from strangers"? |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Oblivion on 04/18/03 at 17:22:30 Well, i would accept candy from stragers perhaps. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Kharybdis on 04/18/03 at 17:33:17 Question: Could a website download a keylogger to a computer upon being visited without the user knowing, or does the user have to have an active role in the acquisition of the logger? |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by CKY on 04/18/03 at 18:31:27 If you were, parsay, to go to a website you knew had no virus's uploaded, and then were to go AFK, and a popup were to load, it can download the keylogger/trojan whatever it may be without acknowledgement of the user. Any website, opened at any cost can download most anything without knowledge, except the little thing on the bottom that says "Downloading, __ items remaining." I think it says. I can't remember exactly right now. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Stotic on 04/18/03 at 18:35:21 Such as all that spyware crap that fills your computer. Arg! |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Norinth on 04/18/03 at 19:18:29 Sometimes a few programs don't accept transfers of .exe files because of that. But people just zip them... How do you delete a Trojan file after you ran it? |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by newb on 04/18/03 at 19:28:57 on 04/18/03 at 08:37:17, Zephie wrote:
I haven't got my crits back yet, just wondering what's up with this. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by ICP on 04/18/03 at 19:35:05 thing with my crits was they got Deleted so he didnt have to sort threw acounts just Restore them. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by newb on 04/18/03 at 19:37:40 Same thing with mine, three of them got deleted and I haven't got any of them back yet. I will wait, but Resurrection got his stuff back within 2-3 hours of it happening. Days later, I don't have my stuff, weird... :0 |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by dognapot on 04/18/03 at 19:42:36 if anyone is concerned about being hacked through malicious websites you might want to not use explorer since most hacks are custom tailored to work with it. for those times that you must use explorer atleast try and have the most recent version. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Bean on 04/18/03 at 19:56:49 /rant on Lol, The day zephie gets cracked is just gonna make everyone laugh. You do know zephie that you could get a trojan without your knowing right? You DO know that anything can happen to your computer without you kowing if the person is determined enough RIGHT? You seem to think it is thier fault somehow. For doing what? Surfin the internet? Oh so they know everything that happens on thier computer, and why the hell couldnt they just stop the trojan from being downloaded? Is that it? This is the LEAST user friendly environment for a game I have ever seen. In ANY other game If you get hacked you will have your items replaced almost instantly, AND the perpetrators would be banned permanently. But in this game that doesnt seem to happen, This game is virtually a smart hackers paradise. I just think you guys should take a little more care placing the blame on people. Its almost like going up to someone that got shot, and saying 'Oh well, Its your fault for standing in front of the bullet you moron' /rant off Now Shouldnt all topics about this theft be locked? |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by drizzt_dourden on 04/18/03 at 20:12:12 on 04/18/03 at 17:10:08, Oblivion wrote:
firewalls will help a LOT actually......if any unknown exe. tries to access the internet, it will block it, unless you give it permission to do so. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Lady_Maha on 04/18/03 at 21:42:05 Okay, putting in my two cents here, your choice to read or ignore ;) Having been staff at a html chatsite for a few years now I've dealt with a lot of this, given the fact that html chats are way less secured than a MuD server. People who know their business can get IPs by simply showing you a picture, and once they have your IP it's not that hard to get into your computer as well. A lot of trojans nowadays will have their actual file format (.exe) hidden and will have the visible ending of .txt or another seemingly harmless file, and are hard to detect. Althogh the most commonly used ones (netbus, BackOrifice, Sub7) are now detected by most virus scanners, the tons of variations and new inventions may not be. Your virus scanner can only find those viruses it knows as well, so if someone is smart enough to code their own, there's a pretty fat chance your virus scanner won't recognize it as a virus. My suggestions to keep semi safe: Get a virus scanner with an automatic update (I use Norton), and a firewall that will ask you permission before letting any .exe files access the internet (a good one that's free for download is ZoneAlarm, you can get it at http://www.zonelabs.com ). I have found it to be a firewall that is easy to understand, yet effective. And last but not least, if you are sent a link (even if it's just one to an image) by someone you don't know, don't go there and don't accept ANY files from strangers unless you specifically asked for them. If you think you have a trojan on your computer, a good firewall may stil help you, not by removing the file, but by blocking it's access to the internet, hence disabling it's purpose. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by ICP on 04/18/03 at 21:44:21 i Agree 110% with Bean this is the only game i have seen this much hacking and nothing be done to help the players. if i had a game and people were being hacked for playing it i would do more than a day ban and a slap on the wrist. Make your players happy help them out only reason we are being hacked is because we play NightMist . |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Zephie on 04/18/03 at 23:11:49 Stoner's account has been deleted. And Khor's account has been locked, meaning he cannot log on any of his lvl 30s, or other high lvl crits. The reason these players cannot be comp banned is all they would do is reformat and come right back. If they are ISP banned, other innocent players may be banned with them. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by ICP on 04/18/03 at 23:17:33 i still would like to find out who hacked me even tho i have a though of who did it i still would like staff to find out ...and have him removed from NM... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Zephie on 04/18/03 at 23:18:53 on 04/18/03 at 21:44:21, ICP wrote:
Right, so restoring your crits is not helping you? spending hours looking through logs for your characters isnt helping? |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by ICP on 04/18/03 at 23:26:37 i dont get it the spending hrs looking in logs wasnt to restore my Crits it was for my items..if i deleted the crits my self all i would have to do is bug it, so restoreing my crits didnt take hrs because one me and jlh sorted this out and it took him mins to get my crits |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Zephie on 04/18/03 at 23:32:18 looking to see what happend to your items took hours Homicide. Not only that but the week before then you also got hacked, and that took quite a bit of time as well because you couldn't even remember when you had last had an item. Saying staff don't help is just absurd. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Violate on 04/18/03 at 23:34:44 Anthony i know exactly who hacked you... because he tried to hack me to... i didnt know it till now.. i have him on msn.. ive known him on this game for ages... he used to be a founder of the clan i started in... and well hes been trying to send me files till this theft issue was all going on ... i had no clue until i noticed his crit in the clan with all those stolen crits... d**n lucky i never accepted any of that crap.. that is if you were hacked in this situation... if your referring to what happened with apogee... i dunno bout that.. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by AlliedAssault on 04/18/03 at 23:46:24 I personally know of the problems with hacking. I personally had got hacked, not nightmist stuff but actual money stuff.(moms credit card number). This is something that happens quite often to many people. The only way to fully stop it from happening is being a recluse and not using the internet for what it is intended for. I recommend if you have a cable/dsl modem you contact ur isp and make sure they change ur ip every month or so. This doesnt stop theft just helps prevent it. I dont know about looking through logs or suck but i know it is a pain in the rump to get hacked. P.S.-thank god for that no hassel card. heh |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Stotic on 04/18/03 at 23:58:34 Just a warning to the nightmist public. For the past two days I have been bombarded with stealing/hacking complaints. As staff I do not have to partake in involvement, but I did as a sense of generosity. The requests now are overwhelming and I do not see myself taking involvement unless the case is caused by the server because I have not been able to get any map work done on my 2 most available days. As stated in the rules staff does not have to get involved. It's their own discretion. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Bean on 04/19/03 at 00:08:32 You know how to keep someone perma banned? Just get ahold of the ISP, And get them to ban the persons IP from the game, The ISP will make sure it stays banned, Even if the person gets a different IP So its not really that hard to get rid of the hackers for good. So couldnt you just do that? |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by PureMourning on 04/19/03 at 00:11:35 Ahh, Zephie, I had no idea why I couldn't log in, I see why you did it. I never did anything special to make myself log back in, I merely doubled clicked NM icon, typed password and it let me in. Can you just tell me how long it is locked? |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Oracle on 04/19/03 at 00:13:04 the isp can terminate accounts, we've done that before an annoying player on aol, so JLH got in touch with aol, and their account was terminated so they just used freeserve instead there are loads of isp's around, so no gain really |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Bean on 04/19/03 at 00:20:08 Seems to me likes its the same hacker every time. So Im sure you could track down his ISP constantly to keep him out... Or just phone the cops, Cause hacking IS illegal ;) |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Oracle on 04/19/03 at 00:23:27 Yes, in the last few days, we have been doing some investigations into the law and we are looking into what it would take to sue people who "hack" |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by PureMourning on 04/19/03 at 01:13:16 Ok, so how long is my account locked for Zephie? |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Stotic on 04/19/03 at 01:14:44 It is permanent from what I hear. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by dognapot on 04/19/03 at 01:19:21 you can ban thier service providers, ip's or thier ip range, or even call thier isp and shut them down but depending on the person's mindset they can still come back with the greatest of ease. there's free isp's like juno and public terminals everywhere. there's also proxies that can serve to anonomyze anyone. banning someone has the most potential to dissuade someone from playing the game for hours everyday but does little to nothing to prevent the person from hacking when they have just a little determination. legal recourses could definitely be tricky also, especially since the game is in the uk and half the player base is american. in addition to that what's to stop a person from saying they were hacked? i knew people from graal who did a very malicious hack that actually got noticed by the authorities when it was reported by the admins. a week later one of the older staff members was questioned about the event because the actual hackers used that persons pc by proxy. to this date the case isn't resolved and it was a serious offense. after that fiasco i came to the conclusion that legally, there isn't much that will be done in hacking cases unless your sony. so really in the end the best defense and recourse against hacking schemes is to avoid situations that put you at risk of being hacked. keep your communications programs updated, and don't even bother accepting files from people because you can always find a better source if it's important. real d**n simple eh? |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Pandemonium on 04/19/03 at 01:25:20 If anyone should be perm. banned it should be minion.Pure should just get a dayban since he wasn't the real hacker the hacker was Minion and Vinny was the thief that stole the items and gold etc. but vinny quit so minion should be perm. banned or at least ban Pure for like a few days. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by PureMourning on 04/19/03 at 01:28:27 Can an Admin please verify rather my account is banned for ever or not. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Oracle on 04/19/03 at 01:47:49 Thanks for that Dognapot, we'll bare everything in mind in our research :) |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by DragonZero on 04/19/03 at 02:37:56 hehe im a hacker...low level hacking only and i only use it on off line games because i believe in online games i should work just as hard as anyone else... and for all the paranoid ppl out there i didn't hack into your computer nor do i want too, it would take too much of my time and i would rather train my own crits than get caught with someone elses stuff... |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Hybrid on 04/19/03 at 02:40:20 One word to describe you right now: Foolish.... Thats my voice speakin' heh. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by King o Sausage on 04/19/03 at 03:25:42 on 04/19/03 at 01:25:20, Pandemonium wrote:
Anyone the slightest bit involved with hacking should be permenantly banned. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Bean on 04/19/03 at 09:06:31 Heh, I know your right dognapot, And I also have heard of that graal incident. Too bad they didnt get those guys... But anyways, I think this is where law enforcement should look at itself and go. 'We could make a whole lot more money, And make a lot of people happy with us if we acctually arrested half of these internet hackers, hmmmm Maybe we need hackers of our own." Because we all know thats all they need to clamp down on the internet for good, A team of 100 of the best hackers they can find. Lol, I suggested cops only cause it scares small time internet crooks, Its an easy detterent to any small time hacker. ;) Hey dragonzero, Got any hacks for offline starcraft? Lol j/k |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Blast on 04/19/03 at 12:30:42 i have the best solution ;D Be a noob! (like me) then noone will rob u cuz, there will be no point!! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Tender_Foot on 04/19/03 at 12:41:44 on 04/19/03 at 01:19:21, dognapot wrote:
American law states any hacking/phreaking over state lines, constitues as a federal crime and FBI can be called in for cross country hacking (that isn't good for American's who hack since the server is in UK). The easiest way to get the the police involved is to call the persons isp, get it banned and have them call the police, and follow up on it yourself. I have actually seen this happen once, when a friends site was hacked by a kid in another state. (the kid got 6 months jail time :)) |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by CKY on 04/19/03 at 17:01:35 Just to clear anything up, a firewall does not make you invisible. As a computer tech for about 2 years, I have come across, used, and made programs that can tear apart firewalls. It's merely by force, not really by disabling. You can use IMP packets and flood the firewall until it can't handle the input. I have recently started looking into trojans, not to use to hack, but to see what makes them work, if you can find what makes them work, you can find what makes them stop working. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Eternyte on 04/19/03 at 17:28:51 Just be thankful nothing more serious than game items were taken. Like someone said, it could be a credit card. Granted hacking for items on a game is nothing sort of pathetic and pointless. Best way to not be hacked. Dont use the internet :P |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by dognapot on 04/19/03 at 20:24:35 tender foot, i'm just saying that rarely will things ever get done. any organization responsible for getting the hackers isn't going to spend much time on it so basically you have to hand the case to the on a silver platter and hope they're not busy. so considering that hackers can make really simple alibis that turn formerly d**ning evidence into circumstantial evidence ("what me? hack? gee willickers mr. i just got hacked myself!")you seriously need someone in the room next to the kid as a witness or a confession. but once again, that's just been what i've seen when it comes to dealing with hackers. i've been a part of a couple hacking/gamehacking communities and when they pull stunts thier victims threaten to sue and whatnot, but they just don't have a case or the case doesn't go through. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Defcon on 04/20/03 at 00:10:11 on 04/18/03 at 20:12:12, drizzt_dourden wrote:
ummm contrary to belief firewalls and avs do not work this maliceous programs can be set up and usually are set up to disable all well know AVS and firewalls so they really dont help when you have them being disabled by the programs |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by JLH on 04/20/03 at 02:41:17 the trick is to not get the program in the first place, since an exe is capable of disabling your firewall and anti-virus. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Tender_Foot on 04/20/03 at 04:36:36 on 04/19/03 at 20:24:35, dognapot wrote:
actually, internet logs are kept for quite some time, and certain things are very easily traceable, i.e. sending emails can br tracked by an isp log, flooding a computer (repeatedly pinging it until the servers firewall can no longer handle the rapid ammount of bits coming in), and even the programs you get on your computer (since quite a few send information to a main site when you get onto the internet). The best 'hacker' firewall i have found, is Black Ice. the firewall allows you to see anyone proabing your computer, from a website, to someone downloading something, to someone trying to flood you. the program allows to to dayban, weekban, or perm ban any ip you feel is harmful, or just dont want in your computer. the program is $19.95 in most places, and runs as high as $29.95. Also it would be good to have an actual 'virus' firewall like Nortan or McAfee Vshield (virus shield). I've never had much problems with hacking even though i go to places that are very bad for the computer, but i have 3 virus firewalls and a hacker firewall |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by JLH on 04/20/03 at 04:50:48 Quote:
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Uncensored on 04/20/03 at 04:56:15 Yeah, use kazaa lite. The regular Kazaa puts too much spyware in your system. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Bean on 04/20/03 at 08:07:36 Or dont use it at all |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by dognapot on 04/20/03 at 09:19:23 tenderfoot, you may not fully realize this but logs are not the word of god. a hacker can do anything you can do in your name. logs are the first things checked when a servers been hacked and unless the hacker is a complete moron he didn't leave a calling card. if i wanted to do some kind of dos attack i sure wouldn't use my old pc, especially if i could gain access to a better one and do it through them or just use a pc lab since they usually have 20+ computers on a t1 connection ready for something like that. besides the usual un-usefullness of logs they are also easily repudiated because a person who shows up on the logs can just say "i must have been hacked" and it would be a perfectly reasonable explaination that can effectively throw all the logs out the window. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by James on 04/20/03 at 18:13:05 on 04/19/03 at 12:30:42, Blast wrote:
this is not true I robed one kid of every last thing he had he was mainly playing NM as RPG I robed him blind.... I ened up giving him his chrt back (with out staff help) thank you very much any ways he was trying to pull a scam on me yet I don't know how he was stupid enough to give me his password... you truly got to be a noobie to not know that you don't need a pass to send some one to a diff acount any ways on that point on 04/20/03 at 04:56:15, Uncensored wrote:
Kazza lite puts one little pice of spy ware in your computer the file is cd_clint.dll what it dose I have yet to find out havn't opened it up and taken it apart but never the less its been listed as spy ware but it dosn't seem to be very bothersum so I left it.. Last thing I personly think that JLH should find some of these people who are good at finding the bugs in NM and give em a position I know I'v seen a few minor and 1 major wich I'v told JLH about yet the big one has never been taken care of as far as I know... I will take that back I told him but then he had somthing going that was already supose to fix it but when that was done it did not fix it I hate to be vage but I don't want a bunch of ppl trying to find it so any ways now my question is... is there such a person now who jut activly seaks out bugs while on nightmist? if there isn't it should be considered |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Stotic on 04/20/03 at 18:21:18 We go about our own activities and if we spot them ourselves we'd report them. There is no one going out of their way to look for bugs. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by DragonZero on 04/20/03 at 20:29:21 on 04/19/03 at 02:40:20, Hybrid wrote:
Why am I foolish, i declared myself a hacker, if ppl want to watch me they can i'm not going to hack into anything on the net...as i said offline only...im pretty sure the computer AI players in Descent Freespace hate me...hehehe |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Kharybdis on 04/20/03 at 23:23:25 on 04/20/03 at 18:13:05, James wrote:
Since you found it with KaZaa lite, it's probably a dummy file... I think the KaZaa lite documentation mentions that somewhere. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by James on 04/21/03 at 07:29:17 so its just there so the network kazza uses will work? |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Argus on 04/21/03 at 16:02:53 Kazaa uses spyware to give you those lovely pop-ups that you adore soo much. Deleting them will disable kazaa from working, they set it up this way so they can get paid and you can enjoy free filesharing. |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Natas on 04/21/03 at 16:38:03 Lmao you can eazy Remove spyware from your Kazza in 2 eazy steps and have it not come back as you open the Application Step#1 Download a spyware and adware remover at http://download.com.com/redir?pid=10187262&merid=85523&mfgid=85523&edId=3&siteId=4&oId=3000-2144-10187262&ontId=2144<ype=dl_dlnow&lop=link&destUrl=%2F3001-2144-10187262.html "you may find a crack for this program at http://cracks.am Do not open kazza after runing scan.... Step#2 Go to http://www.cexx.org/dummies.htm Download CD_CLINT.ZIP open the zip file and ex to windows system "this file will replace CD_CLINT.dll that makes the spyware and adware come back as you open the kazza Application It is just that eazy ;D |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by JLH on 04/21/03 at 17:18:56 when i installed kazza lite on the server, i didn't get that file, must be because i'm special |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by wonderful_nightmare on 04/21/03 at 17:53:42 i don't ahve it either with both kazaa lite and diet kazaa. :D |
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Title: Re: Thiefs..../Hackers Post by Hybrid on 04/21/03 at 18:04:17 Diet? * grins... :P |
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