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(Message started by: Kazuya on 03/10/03 at 07:47:17)
Title: Auto-Training?
Post by Kazuya on 03/10/03 at 07:47:17
 Ok I'm posting this here because I'm tired of people assuming that I auto-train. How is it possible to auto train four crits in the museum and move around talk, chat, and heal all at the same time? If there were a possible way to do that then it must be a super robot or something because there is no way in the world an aplication can just choose what crits to heal and know when to attack. I just want to hear from the people who are assuming that I auto train how exactly it is possible to do it..  and why I am getting accused for it right after I buy a cobalt staff. Big deal, I bet I can make 10 more mill in like a month just because most players can't, does it mean that the people who do use auto-training?
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Codric on 03/10/03 at 07:55:02
who ever thinks you auto train is wrong....me and you train together on the same lvl of the musuem....
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Sparkz on 03/10/03 at 08:01:27
theres no way you could auto-train.you talked to me in the museum and like you said you can't have it heal you and talk to your firends if it was some kind of robot.And theres even a few other arch berserkers and stuff that got trained fast did they auto-train also?its a alot of bs to think he auto-trained and accuse him for stuff he didnt do.he prolly worked hard on the lvling and yall think he auto-trains thats sad... I belive he didnt auto-train...just because he got a cobalt staff doesnt mean he he had to cheat in some way he lvls his crits and sells them for money anyone could do that it doesnt mean he cheats in some way...thats just my opinion..
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Sparkz on 03/10/03 at 08:02:41
and like codric said we train with him and he knows us.. if it was auto-training would it know all his friends and talk to us while lvling?
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Despised on 03/10/03 at 08:04:56
I see it this way Rob, you have a lot of stuff and have worked hard for it, the honest way. Not by robbing or abusing bugs or any other way but hard work day and night. There is no way to auto train in the museum with all those crits. And that is where you train do to all the monsters you kill when traing is Arrowheads Maybe, this was all started by 1 someone who doesn't want to see someone get more stuff then they have or 2 just plain old jealousy I think whomever is responsible for starting up this gossip or being whiney because someone else in the game is getting ahead as they did, and in an honest manner, that it only shows conflict of interest, and the want to tower over other players.  Last I checked this game was about moving ahead no matter how hard you have to try to get what you want.  Those are items are there to be earned and if you earn them you should be able to keep them.  And this should not be unjustified by persons who feel threatened that someone could snag their spot at the top of the ''food chain''.
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Apogee on 03/10/03 at 08:09:06
rob just get your lil sad no life butt something to do lol i mean not everyone can keep there crits on 20 hours a day + ohh wait they dont know that u and ur brother use the same crits and when ones sleeing the other plays and so on they just cant handle that someone can do what the cant even do when u do it in a fraction of the time so get yer a** talking to me on clan chat and trian my crits!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Kazuya on 03/10/03 at 08:43:10
well guys plz stop posting ive heard the problem has been resolved lol look like this game wasnt prepared for someone like me  :P
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by dognapot on 03/10/03 at 08:59:35
there's been tons of people like you. your not the first person to team up with someone for some sort of training extravaganza.
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Inquitus on 03/10/03 at 11:16:43
LOL grush.... I don't think anyone has made 16 mil in 2-3 weeks.... He is an animal when he trains...I give him the trainer's metal for his work. He does a good job (no deaths) and levels faster than anyone I know. You people need to face the facts, Rob is moving to the top through his dedication to the game. Grow up and stop crying about it he did this all fair.

Go Rob Go! lol
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Oblivion on 03/10/03 at 11:20:30
Bots could be made for NM(Esp. Sense its a text based), to Lv, Gather gold, kills bosses, or whatever fits your needs.

But to have it carry a intelligent conversation with someone, would be close to impossible.
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by dognapot on 03/10/03 at 11:57:12
i'll give him this much, no one has taken it to quite the extreme as kazuya has. however, this approach to the game isn't new at all.
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by wonderful_nightmare on 03/10/03 at 12:03:21
what's wrong with spending 18 hours a day on training nm? it's my life goal to be that dedicated (i kinda lose interest after 10 hours a day)
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by James on 03/12/03 at 08:01:10
I won't give details but it is posable to make programs that train for you it would be complatated and a bit beyond my ablitys but it is posable
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by wonderful_nightmare on 03/12/03 at 12:00:26
duh ofcourse it's possible there have been auto-attack programs before but the part where you have a discussion with someone is impossible to make. Or you would have to spend more time on making the program then you could be on nm anyway.
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Deval on 03/13/03 at 05:21:34
May not be able to have a conversation, but it could very well talk.

The_Third_Thief: POO CHEESE POO!
The_Third_Thief went west.
The_Third_Thief was ressurected here after being killed by a blob of cheese.
The_Third_Thief: POO CHEESE POO!
The_Third_Thief went west.
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Kazuya on 03/13/03 at 07:37:30
LOL so u guys say theres a program that can go around the whole museum all the time? and when people come pk them? and go everyhour from the 3rd fl to the 4th and back down and also heal and cast enhance everytime? and well yeha also chat cuz i talk ALOT trust me lol only way to not stay bored in the museum well if this is posible then whoa whowever made it is a geneious.
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Dan on 03/13/03 at 07:54:46
Must be a good proggy if it knows who to get free keys from.  ;)
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Oblivion on 03/13/03 at 16:44:54

on 03/13/03 at 07:37:30, Kazuya wrote:
LOL so u guys say theres a program that can go around the whole museum all the time? and when people come pk them? and go everyhour from the 3rd fl to the 4th and back down and also heal and cast enhance everytime?

For when someone comes to pk you, most likely, they will kill all your alts, but then the bot could be set to, use the leader and collect the alts back in the party, then continue what it was doing..

Could also be set to run from pkers.(Run back to town). Then you could set it to wait 10 mins, then go back to what it was doing.

And for the rest of your post, would be very easy to do, if someone could program it. As for making intelligent conversations, would be near immpossible.

However you can make it have responses..
<usepage> Hey!
<BotResponse>I'm busy page me later plz.
<usepage>dude its important.
<botresponse>Plz page me later.

heres examples how the bot would mess up.
<usepage>are you a bot?
<botpage>Page me later plz.
<usepage>answer u stupid idiot.
<botpage> I'm busy.
<usepage>say hi.
<botpage>Page me later plz.

You could have it set to 1000000 different responses.
But asking simple questions, it wont be able to answer them, could get lucky couple times and answer with a reply of yes.
But eventually it would mess up.

But this could be avoided, have it set to turn off clan chat, and go dnd, and to hide its location..


on 03/13/03 at 07:54:46, Dan wrote:
Must be a good proggy if it knows who to get free keys from.  ;)


For it to be able to know where to get the keys, that would be very easy to program for the person who could program bots.

Chances staff to discover it, like 60%
JLH or pan could find it if they knew what to look for, and if they take the time and try to find it.

Bot in this game would be kind of hard to run.
Because of not to many people.
Then again staff probabaly not going to teleport to everyone in the game to check and see if their botting.

But why would someone even make a bot for this game?
If i could make bots, they wouldn't be made for this game.
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Norinth on 03/13/03 at 21:24:54
LoL, how bout:

Smiley Guy got killed by a "Hot Potato".
Smiley Guy:  ;D
A car shows up out of nowhere and Smiley Guy is lying on the floor. He looks like a Pancake.
Smiley Guy:  :'( That guy stole my car!
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Stigmata on 03/13/03 at 23:59:21
I'm sure JLH has other ways of detecting when people are using auto trainers, asides from tping around the map..
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Nocturnal on 03/14/03 at 00:32:42
This idea of him using a 'Bot' to level for him is extremely absurd, it is extremely likely people are making up calious rumors because they are jealous of this guy's progress.

Lets end this pointless argument.
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Kazuya on 03/14/03 at 03:03:16
i would say people are making up these rumors but not because of jelousy lol its just that maybe they havent seen anyone do what i can do and believe i am cheating. but oh well its rather easy just need 2 people in your house to do it.. just train as mush as u can and once u get tired get your partner( bro,cuz,friend, anything) and have them trian for u while u sleep and once he gets tired have him wake u up and u train while he sleeps ive done this for many weeks to have what i have now and i plan on doing this again soon cuz i feal broke lol  :)  
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Oblivion on 03/14/03 at 16:12:39
Kazuya, for your last post in this thread. I have one thing to say, dude go outside, go do something other then play NM 24/7 lol.
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by wonderful_nightmare on 03/14/03 at 16:19:01

on 03/13/03 at 05:21:34, Deval wrote:
May not be able to have a conversation, but it could very well talk.

The_Third_Thief: POO CHEESE POO!
The_Third_Thief went west.
The_Third_Thief was ressurected here after being killed by a blob of cheese.
The_Third_Thief: POO CHEESE POO!
The_Third_Thief went west.


that's the same as alex using my thief :D
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Vyros on 03/15/03 at 05:22:35
I don't see anything against using bots in the TOS
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Stotic on 03/15/03 at 07:07:29
"A. Subject to the Grant of License herein above, you may not, in
whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse
engineer, derive source code, modify, disassemble, decompile,
create derivative works based on the Program, or remove any
proprietary notices or labels on the Program without the prior
consent, of the Licensors."
Although technically that does not include bots it comes close.  To some degree.
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by JLH on 03/15/03 at 15:51:07
part 2Cv of the EULA:

Quote:
host or provide matchmaking services for the Program or emulate or redirect the communication protocols used by Licensors in the internet feature of the Program, through protocol emulation, tunnelling, modifying or adding components to the Program, use of a utility program or any other techniques now known or hereafter developed, for any purpose including, but not limited to network play over the Internet, network play utilising commercial or non-commercial gaming networks or as part of content aggregation networks.
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Lyandor on 03/15/03 at 16:10:12

on 03/14/03 at 16:19:01, wonderful_nightmare wrote:
that's the same as alex using my thief :D


I'm assuming you mean I died on your thief a lot, which is a load of bs really. If you compare the amount of times I died on your crits to the amount rich did, you'd see that Rich has died at least 10 times more.
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Apogee on 03/15/03 at 16:56:36

on 03/14/03 at 03:03:16, Kazuya wrote:
well its rather easy just need 2 people in your house to do it.. just train as mush as u can and once u get tired get your partner( bro,cuz,friend, anything) and have them trian for u while u sleep and once he gets tired have him wake u up and u train while he sleeps  



in robs case its his boyfriend LOL     ;D
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by wonderful_nightmare on 03/17/03 at 10:43:28

on 03/15/03 at 16:10:12, Lyandor wrote:
I'm assuming you mean I died on your thief a lot, which is a load of bs really. If you compare the amount of times I died on your crits to the amount rich did, you'd see that Rich has died at least 10 times more.



nah that conversation deval wrote makes as much sense as you :D
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by wonderful_nightmare on 03/17/03 at 10:44:44

on 03/13/03 at 16:44:54, Oblivion wrote:
For when someone comes to pk you, most likely, they will kill all your alts, but then the bot could be set to, use the leader and collect the alts back in the party, then continue what it was doing..

Could also be set to run from pkers.(Run back to town). Then you could set it to wait 10 mins, then go back to what it was doing.

And for the rest of your post, would be very easy to do, if someone could program it. As for making intelligent conversations, would be near immpossible.

However you can make it have responses..
<usepage> Hey!
<BotResponse>I'm busy page me later plz.
<usepage>dude its important.
<botresponse>Plz page me later.

heres examples how the bot would mess up.
<usepage>are you a bot?
<botpage>Page me later plz.
<usepage>answer u stupid idiot.
<botpage> I'm busy.
<usepage>say hi.
<botpage>Page me later plz.

You could have it set to 1000000 different responses.
But asking simple questions, it wont be able to answer them, could get lucky couple times and answer with a reply of yes.
But eventually it would mess up.

But this could be avoided, have it set to turn off clan chat, and go dnd, and to hide its location..


For it to be able to know where to get the keys, that would be very easy to program for the person who could program bots.

Chances staff to discover it, like 60%
JLH or pan could find it if they knew what to look for, and if they take the time and try to find it.

Bot in this game would be kind of hard to run.
Because of not to many people.
Then again staff probabaly not going to teleport to everyone in the game to check and see if their botting.

But why would someone even make a bot for this game?
If i could make bots, they wouldn't be made for this game.



ok if someone would make a program like this he needs to work on it atleast a year or so to get it to work correct. by the time the program is finished the person could have had like 10 archies :D
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Trilogy on 03/22/03 at 22:46:53
yo rob tell all these people that im god  ;D i should make you my slave lol
Title: Re: Auto-Training?
Post by Oblivion on 03/23/03 at 00:09:36

on 03/17/03 at 10:44:44, wonderful_nightmare wrote:
ok if someone would make a program like this he needs to work on it atleast a year or so to get it to work correct. by the time the program is finished the person could have had like 10 archies :D


Wrong, very wrong.. Bot was made for d2 that I used before, that does more complicated things, and it was made in about a month.  
And, if a bot for a game like d2 could be made in that time, then a bot for NM would take less, because its a MUD..

If you know how to make bots, and do the coding, it doesn't take that long.


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