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Title: Arena Exp !! Post by Eternyte on 07/02/02 at 18:10:37 Ok i think that the exp in arena's should be lower than outside the cities, but not to the extent that it has been changed to. For instance if you get 5000 exp for every 50 damage done outside a city, why dont you have 4000 exp for every 50 damage in the arena's, and the arena's then should vary in the amount of exp they give... Although if this was the case there shouldnt be lvl 5's lvling in an arena where lvl 30's would gain the most exp, so make it that their wepons miss or find it impossible to hit these monsters... I am just posting this because i lvl at lower levels in arena's, and then when the chars are less pkable i move to outside of the arena's, like many other do... Due to the exp reduction now it takes far longer to lvl within the arena's, this as i stated should be apparent, but not the extent it is. Also if the arena's have been halfed from the exp of outside of cities, why have the Sand Vipers now give next to no exp that that did perviously ? All thoughts and comments appreciated, insulting and demising is not !! |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Wish I could sell a clanhouse on 07/02/02 at 19:04:03 Before the modification, you got basically the same experience in an arena as you did outside of an arena. This took away from exploring the game. With the addition of more areas, level locking of others, and arena xp cut in 1/2, this has been fixed. I do think that some of the monsters in far off places need to be more appealing xp wise. I would like to see undead in other areas that give actual decent xp like demonic soldiers or skeletal beasts, etc. Fighter type has a wide variety of places to go and by all means should get out of the arenas to level. I personally level my alts outside of town almost always. I used to use Resthaven after it was made but then it got too crowded. There are places where I level and don't see anyone for quite some time. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Trixy Enigma on 07/02/02 at 19:45:14 I'm not really of fan of leveling in the arenas...much too boring. But I'm new to the game, so could you suggest some areas that a fighter can level in? I'm level 20 |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Wish I could sell a clanhouse on 07/02/02 at 20:03:04 I really don't think it a good idea to tell you where i level my lower level alts cause that is saying HERE I AM COME PK ME, lol If you want to know, page me on Evangeline, Edge, Billy_the_kid, Billy_O as those are pretty much my regulars nowdays. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Typo on 07/02/02 at 20:07:21 I dont think its a good way to get more players and newer players to STAY. I can take my mage and go out below arlin get 5-6 pk's in a matter of minute's. This type of thing may disscourage(sp :/) Many players from staying. Im not saying pking is wrong this is a pvp game and has allways been. But it seems this will take more players away then keep! |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Morbit on 07/03/02 at 07:32:58 i agree, lvling in arenas is far too boring, people shouldn't be able to lvl in what is meant to be a higher lvling arena. and most of all this wion't attract too many players... I would hate to have to lvl a mage in the "outside" * cowers at now knowing there is an outside world, besides nightmist and his computer.... * peeks "outside" ... scary thought |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by DemonicSoul on 07/03/02 at 14:42:55 I'm glad EXP was CUT in the Arena's. I got tired of hearing how much BOD got from someone who never left even left the city of RH to go on gold runs and stuff (well at least most of the time if not all the time). I found myself going somewhere i haven't been in a while, and i'm not going to say where either. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Barkavor on 07/04/02 at 18:11:17 I agree with the exp change. I admit iused to be the one who was always in da areanas in RH from level 1. lol. Now that the exp sucks in areanas im neva there, and i have found many new places to go ty. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by MCM on 07/09/02 at 06:39:02 why do the exp thing?monsters already drop alot less money then normal, will that be changed to normal from this? |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Khellondros on 07/09/02 at 15:51:06 Dropping the monster gold was the original plan to make people leave the arena's, seems that didn't work they dropped the exp given as well. Go train for more money and more exp. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Jenni on 07/11/02 at 09:35:57 There should be some thieves on the streets in the cities where you could kill them for a small amount of exp and money |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Casca on 07/11/02 at 14:29:57 Gold on arena monsters is already low enough. The game was already skewed enough toward the PKs and the power groups like BoD that can take their chars outside to level without worry. And Evil players have no consequences for taking a path which from the start is much easier. Even in real life it is much easier to get ahead taking the path of evil, how much more so in a game like this where there are no consequences at all. But it is JLH game and if he wants to make it even easier for them that is up to him. We are lucky at least you can't be PKd in arenas and towns (usually). |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Neferity on 07/13/02 at 04:32:55 Does any other BOD member take offense to what Casca says? because I sure as hell do. You do realize, we're not the only pkers, right? |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Stotic on 07/13/02 at 04:45:53 pking exists beyond bod. Its just that we do it so perfectly. Maybe thats why you notice. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Casca on 07/13/02 at 15:45:08 You guys know what the word "like" means????? And you shouldn't take offense. You choose the way you play because you like to play that way. Games like this would be boring without evil aligned players. I have posted previously suggestions for advantages and disadvantages for alignments of chars. For example, if you are evil aligned you have the advantage of being able to attack anyone you want whenver you want. Killing weaker players for the gold they get while trying to level is much easier than killing the monsters for it. You should have the disadvantage of greater loss of exp, loss of levels, and even delays on resurrection since evil gods could really care less about their followers. Half experience in arenas is reasonable. But it already was that. Gold is much less in arenas. There was already plenty of encouragement to level outside. The only people that would have wanted JLH to cut it even more are the PKs that wern't satisfied. And the only reason so many people were leveling inside is because of the extreme number of PKs. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Shera on 07/13/02 at 23:43:25 Yes I am a pker not always vicious but yes I admit I'm a pker. That doesnt make me a bad or an evil person and geez u'd think only bod pks from the way that some ppl talk, not so ppl so deal. Many ppl seem to have this idea that bod is made up of evil nasty ppl it's not, many of the members are some of the nicest ppl ig. I have a great time in bod we have fun. if that makes us evil well them I'm the devil's lova cuz how much more evil can u get ;) Just cuz a person is high lvl doesnt mean that they can lvl without someone trying to pk them or them getting pked, just if that happens to a member of bod the clan will help that person that's just how it is. Pks happen to everyone no one is exempt from then. I have low lvl alts I'm training atm and yes they have been pked and yes I have logged on my higher lvls and pked them back but that's what the game is about. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Valentine on 07/14/02 at 00:37:25 on 07/13/02 at 23:43:25, Shera wrote:
Le sigh...this game would be so much better without the belief that PKing is "what the game is about". Not saying PKing needs to be eliminated...it's just much more fun when it isn't so prevalent. Does anyone besides me miss the big group quests that used to happen? I haven't had so much fun since Si unveiled the spider's nest...now I wouldn't dream of joining a party with anyone other that the few in my clan. Not to mention you can't even answer pages anymore without being threatened. It's pathetic. And sad. And any other synonym you can come up with. Ah well..."all good things" etc. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Casca on 07/14/02 at 03:24:17 LOL, I am not talking about real people here, I am talking about your chars. If a char attacks another char without provocation, much weaker than they are, they are evil alignment. I just happen to think that benefits and consequences of the alignment should be built into the game. Under the accounts system, I would even say all your chars would have to be the same alignment. Good chars could not be in clans or parties with evil chars. Even though alignments are not built into the game, I still play as if they were. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Harky on 07/14/02 at 06:13:17 Quote:
..lol, all the current pkers I've seen are pathetic. Especially the ones that sit one square away from a town all day then post all over the forums saying 'I AM A GUD PKEER'. Obviously I'm not against pking in itself, but it's an art. If you aren't going to do it right don't even bother because you all look like morons. *Don't look a person over 17 times before attacking them - if you don't have the guts to attack someone without knowing their level or equipment, then you shouldn't bother in the first place. *Don't gloat over a kill - rare exception being if you kill Pandilex in any way shape or form, you may gloat over this all you like. If you kill a level 9 whatever, then page them saying 'I AM GUD' you look like such a moron. *Don't use alts - this is the biggy which none of you seem capable of. Put all your good equipment on one character, use healing potions, use whatever just don't log on 5 alts to go and kill levelers. I don't know what's harder to believe, the fact that people actually do this and consider themselves good or the fact that they actually try to defend their actions on the forums afterwards. Anyone that can follow these, maybe I'll have a little respect for you, maybe the levelers or people that actually explore the game will have a chance. Oh and btw don't pregnant dog about them using alts against you, because if you're these 'big bad pkers' that you seem to think you are you'd be able to take down parties with one alt easily. Besides if you start the fight you should be able to finish it, one way or another. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Neferity on 07/14/02 at 07:37:15 Harky, I do agree with most of your little rant..But about looking people over and such? Hmm, sometimes I who people to make sure they aren't in my clan, would that be considered being a bad pker? :o And under accounts- having to pick one side, evil or good I don't agree with, like most role-playing games you should be allowed to play each character how you like.. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Stotic on 07/14/02 at 07:47:48 I agree to all, but one of those. Looking over a person to check their clan is very important and also as a thief (a role that plays mostly hit and run) you must pick your target carefully. Like i wouldn't attack a lvl 30 fighter as a lvl 30 thief 1v1. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Flux on 07/14/02 at 10:10:20 As Ebony, Isyng was one of the most feared PKers in the game. Whenever he stepped onto the same square as me, my heart would literally skip a beat. He was quick, non-discriminatory, never called for backup and died like a man (on the rare occasion that he did). Because of this, he was feared and respected, but not necessarily hated. And he never used alts. If you're going to PK "so perfectly," take a few tips from the master. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Android_20 on 07/14/02 at 11:48:16 Well said Flux.All these newbs think they are some awesome pkers..rofl |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Casca on 07/14/02 at 15:08:08 The reason all your chars should have to be the same alignment is: You shouldn't be able to reap the vast benefits of being evil, which is a much easier way to play any game, real or not, and then transfer the ill gotten gains to your "good" chars, getting also the benefits of being good. Also, either no credit should be gotten for PKs much below your level, or just like the monster listing your stats should display how many of each level you have killed. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Pengant on 07/14/02 at 16:02:33 I'm a gud pker |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Valentine on 07/14/02 at 17:41:03 Casca...I agree that alignment should be a factor in a good mud. I don't think all crits in an account should be like-aligned, however. You should be able to play a variety of characters if you choose. However, you should not be allowed to party with someone in an opposite alignment: Good would not party with evil, and vice versa, and therefore you would not be allowed to. In OS, alignment will be a major factor. Then again, we're hoping to pull in more rp-minded people than "hack-n-slashers". |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Sera on 07/14/02 at 22:58:46 Yes Jen, I take offence to the BoD comment as well. BoD is not the only clan that pks people, why are they always the target? Oh yeah, and not EVERYONE goes pking with their alts. I know I wouldn't. My alts are a cleirc and a lvl 6 mage. Not much help there. When I go out killing, I do so with just my one crit. If there is a fight south of NM *as there usually can be found several times a day* and my clannies are dyin, I'm right there with em. *shrug* I've been pked, it's part of the game. Don't know why y'all gotta whine about it. If you were the pker and not the pkee you wouldn't be complaining. Oh yeah, and I don't go around gloating about pking anyone. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by DragonZero on 03/28/03 at 04:38:21 Well everyone here has some good points, but Im 17 and in my life i played a finished a lot of RPG games, I love RPGs. I wish the pking would die down a little bit though I have a lvl 20 Fighter and I don't pk period its just not my style, (and for those of u that have looked at my profile the reason i have 35 pks is because the crit was given to me by my friend), i would love to be able to go out a actually explore without worring about being pked again and again...ive only been in the sewers because of pkers... |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Tender_Foot on 03/28/03 at 05:49:20 this post is many months old . . . |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by DragonZero on 03/28/03 at 16:26:58 i know that im just posting just incase anyone reads it...and u know some ppl do keep track of their posts, i do.... |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Rattlesnake on 03/28/03 at 18:09:03 But why drag up something that's 9 months old? |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Currupted on 03/28/03 at 18:56:06 I think most people have gotten used to the arena exp and have found new training grounds, so why bring up the fact that we lost our lovely arenas? don't answer that please. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by wonderful_nightmare on 03/28/03 at 19:04:41 i loved the arenas jsut after reset :D as most of you prolly remember i lived in it lol making up to 12 million exp an hour :D |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by newb on 03/28/03 at 19:06:31 I still dislike the arena change to this day. I had alot of fun talking to people who would otherwise PK me, made alot of friends in the arenas. Now its just filled with people who are too scared to go outside the town and laugh at you because you can't pk them. It seems that this has promoted pk'ing and general state of unfriendliness to new players. Oh well though, I don't suppose that this will be changed :( P.S. I honestly think that the lowered gold made it worthwhile to go out and get some $$. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Lyandor on 03/28/03 at 19:16:52 I still don't see why arenas would give half exp, its not like an orc in the arena is easier to kill than one in the caves, in fact, it might be harder due to the fact that its pissed off ;p |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Stotic on 03/28/03 at 20:25:20 I love that fact that in this post people complain about BOD pking and nowadays it's about TR pking. Just proves that you can't stop the evil force time to time. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by DragonZero on 03/29/03 at 01:44:24 hmm, looks like i was right after all ppl did look up this topic now that there were new posts in it....i still wish they hadn't lowered the areanas because ive been nearly pked 10 times today when i was earning gold on the worn path...im just glad i can run and this game rarly lags for me... |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Selene on 03/29/03 at 02:43:34 I used to live in the Arenas. Ask anyone! lol It's a disadvantage for the lower levels, yes. Without training in arenas 24/7 you tend to make tons more gold even possibly better xp depending where you train. I don't like it as far as my lower crits needing xp. What's the point of the arenas now since there's hardly no xp gaining..?! |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Zephie on 03/29/03 at 02:48:08 Some people still like them better. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Selene on 03/29/03 at 02:59:27 I just don't see how though. It'd take ages to lvl up... but, whatever floats their boat or creams their twinky. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Zephie on 03/29/03 at 05:07:36 I took the liberty of asking a couple of low lvls in the training arenas why they were there, and here are a few of the answers I got. Kalypso: why do you train in arenas? Xacre: cause I get pked alot when I'm helping lower levels Kalypso: even with the lvl cap? Xacre: yeah Kalypso: why do you train in arenas? Burger_Paladin: dont know y Burger_Paladin: tierd of being kill by other crits Mostly it's their fear of being pked, which goes back to the lvl restriction topic! (people still get pked! even with the lvl lock) |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by newb on 03/29/03 at 05:16:44 Those polls were rigged. Heh, jk. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Selene on 03/29/03 at 05:35:24 Yes, I'm well aware of that Jen.. that's also the reason why I stayed in the Arenas/Towns all the time.. even YOU know that. Sooner of later they will become pk'ers themselves.. and they're going to get pk'd.. they're going to have to realize just like everyone else pking is part of the game.. like it or not. |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by DragonZero on 03/30/03 at 16:56:28 hey im lvl 20 and ive only pked 35 times (out of self-defense, they threw the first punch...), but ive been pked like 73 times now...and i am training in the sewers...figures a lvl 20 in the sewers killing leeches and giant crocs...takes forever but at least there is a less likely chance i will be pked because i can get from the croc to RestHaven in about 3 or 6 seconds depending on lag |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Lich on 08/29/03 at 01:12:57 I know this is an old post but I wanted to say my part in it. Im a lvl 25 Zerker and I run a lvl 29 ranger plus a few others. I pk only when someone swings at me first to the point that I have had people hit me and I have sat there a few seconds and even ask them to stop before i get into a war with them. But i dont really beleive in Pking never had and never really will. That being said I can see why it is something that is good for the game as it can be fun to fight with other peeps. But I dont agree with as much as it happens right now. Most people who stay in the arenas(Im broken co founder so i talk to alot of newbs) do so because of the pkers and most could careless how much you lower exp or gold. Most still wont go out untill they know if they get into a fight untill they know they can hold their own. This goes for this game and real life. I mean seriously if you were told you had to get out of your house knowing that a gang of people where waiting outside to whip your A$$ you would look at who ever was telling you to go and say F you. But if it was only one person then you would probally go out and try your luck at fighting back. Now the point of that why make the EXP in an Areana so much lower? gold i understand But why the EXP. Really it should be the persons choice if they stay in them or if they go out and try thier luck. Because it has already been proven that the exp change didnt do anything except elavate pks and that just caused people to stay in them and wait. Ohhhh and stotic your right it is funny how it changed but the names i see defending BOD are the same ones defending TR...LOL |
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Title: Re: Arena Exp !! Post by Alicia on 08/29/03 at 02:17:28 Just wanna ask... did, at some point (before i started), the monsters south of RH actualy give decent XP... coz as i see it they are the worst non-undead monsters in the game to train on given xp given vs damage inflicted |
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