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dognapot
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more insanity!
« on: 12/08/03 at 06:22:42 » |
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i've always been one to nag about how nightmist has gone too far in the wrong direction when it comes to accomadating alts. however, it's true; we have gone to far in nightmist. imagine if all of the sudden you could only log one alt on at a time. you couldn't play the game very well anymore. everything is geared towards using requiring many crits controlled by one or more people. in about march of 2001 the bosses that existed were strengthened to represent a challenge to the masses of players that knocked the crap out of them each day. since then things have been built to require more force to conquer while the means of acquiring the requisite force have remained the same.
but the game isn't the only thing that has gone too far. players have also. this isn't final fantasy. you shouldn't need to have a fighter, mage, cleric, and a theif just to get around. nor should have to have 4 theives, 3 fighters and a cleric, or any other combination for the sake of simply surviving. yet that is the case.
so what i'm suggesting here is a new server for nightmist that would be built around individual character development. not simply a 1-alt limit but a world that could be fully enjoyed by one person of almost any class. i've suggested ideas to work toward that same goal in nightmist, but it's too true, it's more work than it's worth. every area built since early 2001 has been built with the largest possible parties in mind. so it's not really going to happen any other way is it?
so what do we think? would you play if you could only be one character at a time? would you work in a world like that? discuss.
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Re: more insanity!
« Reply #1 on: 12/08/03 at 07:06:21 » |
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I wouldnt mind playing only being able to use one crit at a time BUT i've already gone through one reset and not looking to go through another one
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« Reply #2 on: 12/08/03 at 07:40:43 » |
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no reset. just another nightmist server. you could play one or the other or both.
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« Reply #3 on: 12/08/03 at 08:20:10 » |
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Re: more insanity!
« Reply #4 on: 12/08/03 at 12:52:34 » |
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I forsee in the near furture of this thread a post about cash for this second server. Seeing as the current one is funded only from JLH's own pocket do you think he would fund another out of his other pocket?
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Re: more insanity!
« Reply #5 on: 12/08/03 at 14:37:38 » |
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Why cant you just reprogram the existing servers to only allow one alt at a time. You could leave the monsters the same as they are right now. Then both the goal requested here plus the goal of staff would be met. People would still have to go in partys to kill bosses but those bosses would have to be attacked by more then one player as staff intended when they made them.
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« Reply #6 on: 12/08/03 at 15:16:10 » |
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1 alt limit and i'm out for obvious reasons 
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« Reply #7 on: 12/08/03 at 15:29:14 » |
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1 crit is way to boring..cuz there isnt much to do.
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Re: more insanity!
« Reply #8 on: 12/08/03 at 15:35:46 » |
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Theres just as much to do with one alt. All you actually have to do is group with friends or clannies, which isn't a problem as far as I can see. I much prefer one crit only. It makes the game far more interesting as you actually have to work together. This might also improve the game in general, as it would force people to be more friendly towards each other (unless they don't want to ever be able to train or kill bosses)
I doubt very much that this will happen though. If it did however, the only way it would work is with a reset (if its on the same server as the current one) and most people won't agree with that.
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Re: more insanity!
« Reply #9 on: 12/08/03 at 15:51:57 » |
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ok.
server = another nightmist server program running on the same physical server as the nightmist you're playing now. sort of like how nightmist and angel's games can run on the same server.
no reset. you can still play! this doesn't affect you if you don't want to be affected. there's no reset. take my word for it, i made this up, and nowhere did i mention there'd have to be a reset.
so, and i'm trying to make this more understandable, what i'm suggesting is another nightmist 'world'. this world won't accept alts, but that's 'okay', because it would be built around working with one alt. you can still play the other alt-happy nightmist, it'll still be there, and it won't be affected at all by this.
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« Reply #10 on: 12/08/03 at 15:52:05 » |
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Yea right, one crit, if you're a fighter all you can do is attack...thats like clicking looped error messages.
Anyways if this is gonne happen we need skills etc...otherwise every player is the same. Every arch will almost have the same equip etc...and with just playing 1 thats boring.
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« Reply #11 on: 12/08/03 at 15:58:06 » |
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on 12/08/03 at 14:37:38, Lich wrote:| Why cant you just reprogram the existing servers to only allow one alt at a time. You could leave the monsters the same as they are right now. Then both the goal requested here plus the goal of staff would be met. People would still have to go in partys to kill bosses but those bosses would have to be attacked by more then one player as staff intended when they made them. |
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it won't work because people will say 'screw it' when half thier work becomes useless and thier crits values depreciates. it also isn't fair to those who wouldn't have had a chance to compete in the same way as we have now. alts are a great benefit for training and money-making. it's unfair to the rest of nightmist to give some a gigantic lead and then shut everyone off from ever catching up.
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Re: more insanity!
« Reply #12 on: 12/08/03 at 16:07:26 » |
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on 12/08/03 at 15:52:05, Angelus wrote:Yea right, one crit, if you're a fighter all you can do is attack...thats like clicking looped error messages.
Anyways if this is gonne happen we need skills etc...otherwise every player is the same. Every arch will almost have the same equip etc...and with just playing 1 thats boring. |
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you may not have noticed but as long as you're not a healing class... all you can do is attack.
on 12/08/03 at 12:08:03, dognapot wrote:| would you work in a world like that? |
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of course things are going to have to be different than they are on nightmist now. duh, classes may have to be worked on, etc. but it won't be any more boring than nightmist is now. there have been times, you know, where 1 crit was the norm. it wasn't boring then.
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Re: more insanity!
« Reply #13 on: 12/08/03 at 16:43:07 » |
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ID really want nightmist be 1 alt at time.. but i know its not possible so yes this server idea would be great, id wouldnt make so much lag cuz i know ppl that ll play 1 alt at time instead of 'alt happy' nm
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« Reply #14 on: 12/08/03 at 16:46:36 » |
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i wouldnt like it...thats the only reason i didnt like rev...
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Re: more insanity!
« Reply #15 on: 12/08/03 at 16:56:49 » |
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on 12/08/03 at 16:07:26, dognapot wrote:
you may not have noticed but as long as you're not a healing class... all you can do is attack.
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But in different ways...anyways this would be way to much of a change so if you want it, there are other games that are already set up like this.
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Re: more insanity!
« Reply #16 on: 12/08/03 at 17:52:19 » |
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knucklehead. it wouldn't be a change it would be an addition. there's not an "either or" ultimatum here. you can have both. if anyone thinks that 1 crit at a time is too dull can simply not play on the 1-crit server and just continue playing on the nightmist that's going on now.
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Re: more insanity!
« Reply #17 on: 12/08/03 at 17:57:04 » |
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on 12/08/03 at 17:52:19, dognapot wrote:| knucklehead. it wouldn't be a change it would be an addition. there's not an "either or" ultimatum here. you can have both. if anyone thinks that 1 crit at a time is too dull can simply not play on the 1-crit server and just continue playing on the nightmist that's going on now. |
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err..yea whatever dont piss me off
Anyways, seeing as how fast updates are going you think JLH has time for this?
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Re: more insanity!
« Reply #18 on: 12/08/03 at 18:03:38 » |
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on 12/08/03 at 17:57:04, Angelus wrote:
err..yea whatever dont piss me off
Anyways, seeing as how fast updates are going you think JLH has time for this? |
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That's the whole point, it wouldn't take much of a change at all. I know of lots of games that use two servers.. As JLH has said before, Nightmist only uses like 10% (was it?) or his CPU, so I'm sure he could run two at once.
Back on the matter of it. I love the idea.. But then, why would someone want to play on the server that's harder and more work.. When, on the other, they can do everything alone.
Cus as I'm sure you know, half of Nightmistians are social rejects, who can't do much more than kill another.
P.S: I didn't mean you (looking at everyone, as to not cause offence)
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« Reply #19 on: 12/08/03 at 18:12:10 » |
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also, it wouldn't be entirely as much work as it may seem. nightmist has been salvaging opal spheres for ages, now nightmist can salvage nightmist. the 1-crit world would take less bandwidth (net and cpu) because people would be limited to using one crit, instead of using multiple crits on the other server. it would also create an enviroment that's more accomadating to RP since it's not particularly easy to RP against a group of crits that serve as different facets one person's demolition team. it would aslo encourage players to use wits to accomplish thier goals in game. often now, it's a viable option to simply apply more force to create a solution, but when that's not available it can serve as inspiration for more creative, efficient, or social solutions.
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