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FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL FARE!
« on: 07/29/03 at 15:11:17 » |
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ok here is the deal i've just had my vault jacked by a founder that ws made founder by my chairman... he went in my vault and cleared it out.... he admitted to doing so.... and sed he did take the keys and stole from the clan bank... but because he is a founder in the clan he has access to OTHER peoples vaults and i was told you can change the mumble to sum1's vault walk in take a few alts to and fill them up with the stuff you worked/bought wateva to get.... they can walk out and admit it to all the staff inagame and say what he stole and when... and he wud get away with it because he was a founder... so say he just stole 500k cash order x3, 2 BoT, cobalt and walk up 2 any staff and say i just stole this and staff wud do nuthing and then they cud leave clan go sumwhere else do it agen.... here is proof...
Ambassador: THEFT IS ALOUD IN A CLAN
Aidon: if u are founder then yes
Ambassador: ok then ill go steal it all
Aidon: may not make it morally right, but right within matters of the game
i didnt steal anything and that shows that staff say its ok to steal from ppl's vaults....
i'd just like to hear what the ppl of nightmist would think about this matter seeming its now ok to steal...
this also leaves the ability for a chairman to make a person founder just to steal.. or another founder to do so... before leaving clan
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Re: FOUNDERS IN CLANS MUST SEE!FOR YOUR OWN WELL F
« Reply #1 on: 07/29/03 at 15:20:33 » |
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Yes, founders have the power to steal from the clan's members if they have a vault, however, if any founder in our clan was caught doing this, it would be an immediate removal from the clan.
That's why we only promote people we trust 100% to founder status. I am pretty sure that none of the founders in Broken would ever steal from our members.
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« Reply #2 on: 07/29/03 at 16:10:56 » |
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But Aidon just said that stealing is OK. That doesn't sound quite right to me.
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« Reply #3 on: 07/29/03 at 16:26:21 » |
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It's not that stealing is 'OK'.. it's just that if you promote someone to founder then they are your responcibility. You knew the risks you were taking and if you ask me its careless because your not truely thinking about the clans safety what-so ever. It might be a case of theft and the thief may be at fault for stealing but who's the smart guy who gave him all the privileges to begin with? Why should staff have to help you when you knew the consequences you'd have to face to begin with?
For example...
If you let your new neighbor whom you barely know borrow your car and he totals it in an accident from drinking and driving who's going to catch hell from your parents, him or you? If you wouldnt have lent him the car, it would still be in one piece. 
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« Reply #4 on: 07/29/03 at 16:32:59 » |
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err..funny...then why do we have member vaults, cuz its not the members fault that the chairman promoted someone. And did u really lose all that stuff of was it just an example, and nice Aidon, good way to encourage theft
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« Reply #5 on: 07/29/03 at 16:35:40 » |
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on 07/29/03 at 16:26:21, Artemis wrote:
For example...
If you let your new neighbor whom you barely know borrow your car and he totals it in an accident from drinking and driving who's going to catch hell from your parents, him or you? If you wouldnt have lent him the car, it would still be in one piece. |
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The blame would be on both of us.. when coming to my parents.
Your best bet is to make your own little vaults like I do... so there's no hassle and accusations made when something comes up missing. Just grab a low lvl (4 preferably) and put your stuff you'll need onto that crit.
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« Reply #6 on: 07/29/03 at 16:35:49 » |
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Aidon didn`t say it was right. He said it was right within matters of the game.
Folks this is a game of mistake, trust, lies, greed, power, etc.
I think the point Aidon was trying to make it that once again a player or group of players made a bad decision. It is not his job nor any other staff members job to get your stuff back. A decision was made by your chairperson to make this person a founder. As a result you got took. Who should assume responsibilty? In my option it is the chairperson or the group who voted the person founder giving him the power to change mumbles and access others vaults.
I hate that ya got took. But it is a part of the game. Read the forums, everyday someone gets a clan stolen or items taken. There are players in this game who are just down right nasty. Just as in life there is good and evil. The only advise I can give is to learn from it. Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
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« Reply #7 on: 07/29/03 at 16:37:13 » |
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As we all know, many young, impressionable people are out in the world playing this game right now. I know that a lot of them pick up things they have learned from this game and apply them to real life. Whether it be something funny they heard in friend chat, or a way to finance their money. How I see it, some individuals will take this into literal meaning and not trust anyone in real life, which would be a sad thing. It's human nature to trust people and to try and do good.
You all might think this is bs, but I urge you to take the time and actually think about it. It's possible and it happens.
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« Reply #8 on: 07/29/03 at 16:38:24 » |
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Seeing as u only now the ppl ingame and not irl, u can never really trust someone, so why do we even have clans if its so easy to screw someone over.
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« Reply #9 on: 07/29/03 at 16:45:31 » |
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There are some people you can trust, and some you can't. The chairman's job (and in Broken's case also that of the founders) is to decide who is trustworthy enough to be made founder. Nobody can "buy" foundership, as so many lower rank clans do ("join the clan, donate 50k and we'll make you founder!") for that exact reason.
When you buy a vault in your clan, the only people who will have access are you, anyone you give the mumble to, the chairman and the founders. If you do not trust all your founders, don't buy a vault, use other crits for storage, or buy a 1 room clanhouse with your alt that only you own.
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« Reply #10 on: 07/29/03 at 16:53:43 » |
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on 07/29/03 at 16:38:24, Outsider wrote:| Seeing as u only now the ppl ingame and not irl, u can never really trust someone, so why do we even have clans if its so easy to screw someone over. |
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Probably because nightmist was created for Roleplay, I don't think JLH and Pandilex expected every other player to be power hungry and try their best to steal someone else's goods. But unfortunately this is the main goal for alot of people who play.. and it isn't all that easy to screw someone over, its easy to BE screwed over if your gullable enough to trust every lary curly and mo who comes along. Just do what lady_maha suggested and you won't have these problems.
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« Reply #11 on: 07/29/03 at 16:58:36 » |
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Ok, the orginal post was by my best mate irl, so now this is the Real Genocide speaking. Firstly the items he said was an example, but a good one, u buy a vault as a place to put your precious items as u think, oh, with a vault my items are safe if i die or whatever.Put you in a new members shoes like Outsider said:
You just joined a clan, you are a NORMAL member, in your bank you have enuf gold to buy a vault. so you do. you as a member have no control over who is a founder or who is not. It isnt up to u if they are trustworthy or not.
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The chairman knows the founder irl, but irl the founder and chairman have an argument and the chairman kiks the founders Ass, in payback the founder desides to destroy the clan, he raids the clan bank, and strips every vault in there. All yo items go missing, your BoTs, Cobalts, Money orders, and in total u lose about 15mill gold. How would u feel, so ou go to staff saying they stole, they admit it, and the staff say, oh dear, well YOU shouldnt have made him founder, if you didnt trust him, but hold on....you had no control over who was founder. and u just lot 15mill gold which u had been saving you whole nightmist life.
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« Reply #12 on: 07/29/03 at 16:59:59 » |
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Im not talking about the chairman, im talking about members, how do they know if they can trust a founder, and maybe if they arent on the chairman makes a new founder and he'll get ripped. And ppl can suddenly change and go in a rage and boot everyone and maybe even steal all, and how would a simple member protect himself from all that.
Simply dont join a clan.
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« Reply #13 on: 07/29/03 at 17:14:25 » |
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or dont use clan vaults
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« Reply #14 on: 07/29/03 at 17:16:47 » |
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Ppl who dont know about this will still use them, i wouldnt even think of it if it wasnt for Genocide to post, so remove them from game or attach a little message with how staff thinks about inclan theft.
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« Reply #15 on: 07/29/03 at 18:08:09 » |
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I'm impressed that so many people are starting to understand the position we're in. Obviously we'd love no stealing at all, but people give their passwords out, perform trades with no staff, and make people founder who they barely know, and expect us to save the day by searching through logs for hours on end and questioning various people involved.
We can't do this and improve the game because we do not have time. Recently we've been enforcing these rules whereby you stick to the rules or staff does not help. It's given lots of time back to improve the game.
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« Reply #16 on: 07/29/03 at 18:20:56 » |
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ok im not the real Genocide im the victim... the thing i was also annoyed about was that the guy admitted stealing my things when i wasnt online... and all you can say is that its my chairmans fault the guy admitted doing it stealing my things and yet u listened to him say it and u let him get away with it so any1 and every1 will take advantage of this..
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« Reply #17 on: 07/29/03 at 18:31:54 » |
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they can only take advantage of you if you let them.
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« Reply #18 on: 07/29/03 at 18:36:11 » |
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I agree with JLH, if you take certain percautions like Maha has suggested you shouldn't have any real problems.
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« Reply #19 on: 07/29/03 at 18:36:57 » |
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how did i let them cause they have access to my vault with my consent or not.... cause of course its my fault cause i made them founder(nope) and i had a choice (nope)..
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