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Raceual Attubutes
« on: 06/27/03 at 17:31:52 » |
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Half-orcs and Humans need a attubute
ie halflings have 7 armor others have % on damage
Humans used to have the cheaper points thingie but now we dont have them anymore so... they need something new
Half-Orcs i think could get armor it would save people complaing tht half-orcs are rubbish and it would make zerkers better if thy had a lil armor (was reading zerker class discusion)
Something needs to be done its unfair on the people who play with half-orcs and humans
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Re: Raceual Attubutes
« Reply #2 on: 06/30/03 at 05:21:59 » |
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on 06/27/03 at 17:31:52, -=ToM=- wrote:Half-Orcs i think could get armor it would save people complaing tht half-orcs are rubbish and it would make zerkers better if thy had a lil armor (was reading zerker class discusion)
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half-orcs can wear armor, if they'rs fighters...
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Re: Raceual Attubutes
« Reply #3 on: 06/30/03 at 05:50:23 » |
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ya, half-orcs cant get auto armor otherwise it messes up the point of the zerker class...being that if they have armor they're way way over powered.
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« Reply #4 on: 06/30/03 at 06:19:23 » |
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Wouldn't a half orcs thick skin act as a natural armor as opposed to the soft skin of a human
(Berserker or not)
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« Reply #5 on: 06/30/03 at 06:48:59 » |
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Lets not be racists now guys... 
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« Reply #6 on: 06/30/03 at 21:49:23 » |
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I do agree Humans and Half-Elfs need something, and I think the half-orcs are fine the way they are.
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« Reply #7 on: 06/30/03 at 22:03:00 » |
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Yeah half-orcs are fine with no bonus and weak stats!
Ok seriously...I think Half-Orcs are in need for something badly.I think giving them +5 ac sounds like a good idea..Orcs WOULD have tougher skin than a human.
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« Reply #8 on: 06/30/03 at 22:12:54 » |
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They are half orcs and this has been discussed before they will never have that armor, and they have the best con and str out of all the other races
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Re: Raceual Attubutes
« Reply #9 on: 06/30/03 at 22:17:35 » |
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That best con and best strength does not make up for the loss of 2 dex and 4 wisdom on dwarves, Rage is -USELESS- on a Half-Orc..
Something needs to be done about Half-Orc's i suggest + 15 Armour class, don't say im wrong, its an idea, i think this because why lose 2 dex? why lose 4 wis? + 15 armour would make them a much better class and probably more useable, as people have mentioned Orcs have very strong skin, its practically correct.
thats my idea anyway..
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Re: Raceual Attubutes
« Reply #10 on: 06/30/03 at 22:20:09 » |
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The high con will make up for the lack of armor.
The high strenght makes up for the low dex.
(give them some more and they would own as fighters with dex items)
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Re: Raceual Attubutes
« Reply #11 on: 06/30/03 at 22:25:10 » |
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Half orcs have the best str and con by +1 over any class however they have the worst wisdom by 4 below any other class, the worst charisma by 2 below any other class, the worst dex by 2 over any below class and the worst intelligence by 3 below any other class . . .
To put this in an easier to read way . . .
Strength +1
Intelligence -3
Dexterity -2
Constitution +1
Wisdom -4
Charisma -2
I see Half Orcs as majorly disadvantaged compaired to other classes (even half Elves) but if half orc users are happy with them then fair enough 
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Re: Raceual Attubutes
« Reply #12 on: 06/30/03 at 22:26:14 » |
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Intel doesnt matter for half-orcs, neither does charisma, and who cares about wis?
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Re: Raceual Attubutes
« Reply #13 on: 06/30/03 at 22:29:45 » |
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Anyone not wanting to be magebait cares about wis. I trained a crit that was given to me when I first started to 30...with 8 wis *she still exists in game btw, with a different name* and let me tell you, devastate HURTS with 8 wis... I'm talking getting hit for over 100 (ask John, I'm sure he remembers). Plus any magic users need wis *not that the half orc race can be majic users, just pointing this out*
Edit: And Charisma effects how easily a ranger can hypno you. Higher char means less likely chance. If you are hypno'ed you miss more.
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Re: Raceual Attubutes
« Reply #14 on: 06/30/03 at 22:33:45 » |
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I know what it all does, but lol im playing for 7 months now and i never got hypno casted on me, never been attacked by a mage (maybe ones or twice).
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Re: Raceual Attubutes
« Reply #15 on: 06/30/03 at 22:37:44 » |
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I'm sure John would love to show you what devastate can do, especially if you have low wis. Just give him your name(s) of your crits. 
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Re: Raceual Attubutes
« Reply #16 on: 06/30/03 at 22:39:08 » |
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Re: Raceual Attubutes
« Reply #17 on: 06/30/03 at 22:45:58 » |
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Hypno gets casted on me a ton in duels...like..whole first round if hypno sometimes. Mages are less used now adays unless it is Milagros all the rest are used to invis crits and such (or atleast thats why i wanna buy a lvl 26 one) i dont think half orcs should get armor due to the idea of the zerker class....ive noticed that most things have advantages over humans and half-elves, but im sure some people prefrer them over certain stuff...what i dont under stand- Why exactly is it that halflings get +7 armor? I just really think i miss-understand the idea...i thought they were just basically little humans...maybe rough feet or something..but the +7 armor seems a little odd to me, i like our lvl 27 human ranger lunchbox, he owns bosses.
Edit- I think it is odd cause devestate only hit varia for 92, 94, 92 in the champs mosh...seems like it ought to do more damage to a crit with only 12 wisdom..
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Re: Raceual Attubutes
« Reply #18 on: 06/30/03 at 22:53:59 » |
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It does not matter if they are -half- orcs or not.They are still Orcs...Orcs do have rough skin.I would say Half-Orcs would still have very rough skin.
Anyways there needs to be something done.Having +1 con and +1 str does not make up for the -2 dex, and -4! wis.
I think giving 15 ac is a bit much, but I think 5-10 is a good bit.This gives people reasons to actually use Half-Orcs.
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Re: Raceual Attubutes
« Reply #19 on: 07/02/03 at 08:14:55 » |
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on 06/30/03 at 22:45:58, -Gaddy- wrote:Hypno gets casted on me a ton in duels...like..whole first round if hypno sometimes. Mages are less used now adays unless it is Milagros all the rest are used to invis crits and such (or atleast thats why i wanna buy a lvl 26 one) i dont think half orcs should get armor due to the idea of the zerker class....ive noticed that most things have advantages over humans and half-elves, but im sure some people prefrer them over certain stuff...what i dont under stand- Why exactly is it that halflings get +7 armor? I just really think i miss-understand the idea...i thought they were just basically little humans...maybe rough feet or something..but the +7 armor seems a little odd to me, i like our lvl 27 human ranger lunchbox, he owns bosses.
Edit- I think it is odd cause devestate only hit varia for 92, 94, 92 in the champs mosh...seems like it ought to do more damage to a crit with only 12 wisdom.. |
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halflings get +7 armr due to the fact they are 'lucky'...
Half-elves and half-orcs dfinately need help and giving half-orcs armor would help them out a bit, and dont give me that bull 'well im crying because berserkers arent supposed to have armor' but then look at it from this point of view, they get no armor or mods from equipment and would have hell of a time trying to use rage with 12 dexterity
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