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the Kiheitai
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'Threatening Behavior'
« on: 03/21/03 at 02:45:05 » |
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What exactly is considered 'threatening behavior towards other players'? To me, a game based on player vs. player there is unlimited threatening behavior. You can say that a look over is threatening, you are sizing up your oponnent. How do you legitimize banning a player for a WEEK for threatening behavior?! It seems that there is a little bit of biase towards certain players...I think thats a rediculous reason to week ban crits. Unless you can give specific reason that a threat goes above and beyond role-playing talk. Remember, its a game and the game is based on player hostility. Threatening Behavior? I don't know......
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #1 on: 03/21/03 at 02:47:22 » |
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haha, you can get ban for threatening..
How lame, that to an extent can take out yet again more Roleplaying, for those who RP.
Besides, if someones afriad of someone online, who so happen to threaten them, they don't need to play..
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #2 on: 03/21/03 at 02:51:00 » |
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Exactly, what happened to the RPing part of the game? So you can't take up a cause and defend it...You better start banning every person who pks...I think that is pretty threatening.....
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #3 on: 03/21/03 at 03:07:28 » |
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Yes Julius what did happen to the RPing part of the game in which a certain person needed to threaten someone in a out of game scenario. Personally I wouldn't care if i got threatened but maybe the person that got threatened did care. A online threat is considered a crime by the eyes of the law so don't complain that your little friend got banned in game for a week.
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #4 on: 03/21/03 at 11:47:12 » |
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We're talking about Phileo, right? I asked for an example of what he had said, and i can kind of understand why he was banned. It wasn't treatening someone in game, it was a threat made via the game about real life.. Which should (and was) taken very seriously.
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #5 on: 03/21/03 at 13:35:33 » |
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If you'd really like to know Julius, this is why.
[Clan] Galapagos: Phileo Pages You from (Hidden): I HAVE FAR MORE POWER THAN YOU THINK...POWER TO HURT YOU IN WAYS OUTSIDE OF THE GAME, AND I'M MAD ENOUGH TO DO THAT.
When you have to resort to out-of-game threatening, that's just pathetic.
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #6 on: 03/21/03 at 13:41:23 » |
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hmm i guess some ppl find something like that more offensive then others. i wouldn't pay attention to it at all. it's just some text on a computer screen if you ask me.
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #7 on: 03/21/03 at 14:38:17 » |
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Yes and text on a computer screen can get people in-to trouble, I mean...10 year old girls get murdered because of 'text on a screen'.
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #8 on: 03/21/03 at 14:53:57 » |
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hmm maybe he internet should get a warning on it like cigarets 
"use of the internet is bad for your health and can be deadly" 
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #9 on: 03/21/03 at 15:01:08 » |
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I highly doubt the person this page was sent to took it in any way as something to fear. As I told JLH, people get mad and threaten others (yes, even outside of the game) all the time in NM. This particular incident has roots that stem from paging abuse over months and months. The only reason so much attention was brought to it is because the opposition to Phileo has influence and are using it to 'make him pay'. He'd never been banned before, and regularly plays the game in a peaceful manner.
It's total bs - a dayban or character ban would have been more than sufficient.
There is little hope for fair treatment in NM if staff members choose to allow their personal view to affect their job as staff. We all know some staff use their position to further their norm's status, personal aspirations, and personal amusement. It's sadly obvious. And, I'm particularly sad to see it happen to a game that has so much potential.
Good thing there are other games; though I'm still hoping it's not necessary to go look for a good one.
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #10 on: 03/21/03 at 15:57:12 » |
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Bishop, stop defending your clannies all the time regardless of what they have done. I'm tired of it.
We all know that if I would have said something like that to another player when you ahd Cyric, you would have banned me (probably even with a big smile on your face).
I don't know how this person felt when he got those pages, but some of us does take offense when people are b|tching at them about outside game things, and therefor it shouldn't be allowed.
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #11 on: 03/21/03 at 15:58:05 » |
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Hmm..like bashing someone for having a child at the tender age of 17?
I'm just saying....
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #12 on: 03/21/03 at 16:44:21 » |
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When I had Cyric, the only punishment I ever felt needed more than a dayban was modifying stats for a period of time, and that was only if abuse was regular (at least 3 instances within a few months).
I'm tired of everyone acting so innocent - I'm sure if the logs were read thoroughly, several dozen people would be suffering a week comp ban right now. I'm monitored talk on the game probably more than anyone, and heated insults are as common as the sun rising. It's always said in haste and never means a thing.
I'm not even saying what was done didn't deserve some discipline, but a week comp ban - that's excessive, and I have no doubt that personal influences are involved having nothing to do with any threats.
I don't expect anything to be done - JLH has given Pan full authority to do whatever he wants, and based on past events, we all know Pan will do as he likes whether it's fair or not, just or not, reasonable or not, or even personal or not. Such is how things are done in NM dispite what anyone else thinks.
Say what you like - it won't matter, be it insult to me or words of wisdom.
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #13 on: 03/21/03 at 17:17:33 » |
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Talking of unfair punishments (Yes, it was along time ago now).
I yelled a string of 5 swear words. And for that, had my highest lvl crit deleted and a month ban. Now for the first time i had ever broken the rules. Isn't that abit harsh??
But i didn't cry about it. I didn't even know how long i was banned for till i updated my OS and managed to get back on before the month was up.
Sorry to have gone off subject.
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #14 on: 03/21/03 at 20:23:31 » |
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on 03/21/03 at 16:44:21, Bishop wrote:
I'm tired of everyone acting so innocent - I'm sure if the logs were read thoroughly, several dozen people would be suffering a week comp ban right now. I'm monitored talk on the game probably more than anyone, and heated insults are as common as the sun rising. It's always said in haste and never means a thing.
I'm not even saying what was done didn't deserve some discipline, but a week comp ban - that's excessive, and I have no doubt that personal influences are involved having nothing to do with any threats.
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I've never threatened anyone IRL through this game, and only thing I've been banned for was yelling "masturbate?" as an answer to one of your trivia questions.
Insults aren't always said in haste. Sometimes people just start going off on you while sitting at gates, and sometimes people keep going on for hours telling you that something bad is going to happen with your family, just because you killed/attacked them.
If you can't behave yourself while playing a game, then you should definately not play.
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #15 on: 03/22/03 at 02:39:13 » |
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Can anyone tell me when Phileo has ever been in trouble before? The only times he ever gets "punished" is for things dealing with The Resistance. Hmm...wait a second, both Pandilex and Galapagos are in The Resistance. Now I am not saying that The Resistance is a bad clan, its just odd, that the most outspoken TR "hater" is week banned over a petty little thing that many people do. God forbid someone gets angry and says something a little too quickly...
But whatever, Pandilex is NM god (Dictator?) and nothing can be done to him by players...or anyone else for that matter...
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #16 on: 03/22/03 at 03:28:42 » |
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This was some time ago when it all went down. Phileo is a great guy and has more honor is his little finger then most I know on here. Thing is, he can be threatened and belittled out of game by the same people that got him banned and everyone looks the other way. Not only did this happen MONTHS ago but weeks ago. Rarely a day goes by that he is not harrassed out of game or in game by these people. It happens more often then you can even imagine. I should know, am his training partner and consort. I was going to stay silent about all this knowing that in some way it will only make it worse, but, I must place my thoughts here.
Funny, it is okay to be "evil". But when you fight for "good" it is considered harrassment. Even in a roleplaying environment.
He never wished anyone any harm out of game if you just talked to him. In Fact, I know several players AND staff that came to him often with their problems in real life and he would take time to listen and help in anyway he could. Granted, out of game comments should never be spoken or tossed around. I do not condone that at all. But, I know exactly what drove him to it and I know that his profession as well as many other things were belittled by these very people.
I think the true problem is that even when following every rule and playing the game as it was meant to be played, they couldn't beat him and took it out on him the only way they could. Granted, they could and do at times PK us, when they can't keep us down or figure out how to harrass us with the outcome they want they had to figure out another way to do it.
Regardless, what is done is done. I really wish I had saved the comments both in game and out of game I have gotten as well as the numerous cuss out sessions played out by TR members right in front of people that are staff but were so easily overlooked at times and joined in at other times. But see, I know it is a game and to me, getting someone banned just really isn't part of the game. I will defeat my enemies (In game enemies for those that aren't clear on it) in game ... OUt of game, I wish everyone the best and hold no ill feelings. Although I have little respect for those that use the rules only when they are convenient and throw them to the side when it benefits them.
Hope this week goes by fast! I miss him!
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #17 on: 03/22/03 at 04:12:39 » |
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yeah, ive actually told pandilex of 2 staff members who ignored tr members who cussed infront of them (and one of the staff even right after, banned someone else for cussing). I thought this was somewhat solved when Zephie helped me get ahold of pandilex, and i personally havent seen it happen since.
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #18 on: 03/22/03 at 04:34:54 » |
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Amy, this event did not take place months ago. This took place 3-14-2003, why do you keep on saying it was months ago? Maybe this is the second time that it's happend????? When real life threats are made something is to be done, no matter what clan the player is in. /who Veritas for example, this player threatened to hurt another player IRL and action was taken. Anything that is illegal IRL is illegal on nightmist. (This should go without saying, I'm not exactly sure why you are trying to justify someone saying they are going to hurt a player out of game because they pked them in game) Cyber threats are taken very seriously, on Nightmist and off. (Real life authoritys could get involved when cyber threats take place.)
Tender- If Pandilex didn't resolve the issue go to JLH, please. I'm not exactly sure why nothing was done, but this is why there are 3 admins in game. If you do not feel comfortable dealing with one there are others to choose from.
As for the punishment being a bit harsh (Btw, Bishop I am glad that you understand that he did in fact need to be disciplined for what he did) Other people who have done the same as him have gotten banned for a week as well. And it clearly states when you logon.
As this is a game for all ages you may have your computer banned for up to a week unless you keep all chat clean.
Threatning players != keeping chat clan.
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Re: 'Threatening Behavior'
« Reply #19 on: 03/22/03 at 04:48:38 » |
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I know just recently I had a NM player threaten to kill me IRL. She stated "I have a gun right here" and that she has "killed 2 people" with this gun.
I even copied/pasted this in clan chat...and also I belive I memoed it to a staff member....
I will say that when I made her aware that what she was doing is an offense punishable by law she stated she didn't care and didn't page me any longer.
The whole situation bothers me for one reason...if I was considerably younger *as a lot of the players on this game are* threats such as this may have been more frightening. Either way, it wasn't right...and any threats to hurt anyone IRL need to be taken seriously and that person needs to be punished. Maybe then they will realize that what they did was wrong.
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